Theos-Talk Archives (October 2010 Message tt00064)

Dear MKR

Yes, I tend to agree.


But...but...

A.
As Idries Shah said:
"The bitter truth is that before man can know his own inadequacy, or the competence of another man or institution, he must first learn something which will enable him to perceive both. Note well that his perception itself is a product of right study; not of instinct or emotional attraction to the individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This is 'Learning How To Learn.' " 

"All this means, of course, that we are postulating here the need for preparatory study before school work takes place. We deny that a man can study and properly benefit from school work until he is equipped for it: any more than a person can study space-navigation unless he has a grasp of mathematics." 


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B.1
And the above words could be engraved at the entrance of every Theosophical groups meetingroom while they remember Article XIII:

"1. Any Fellow who shall in any way attempt to involve the Society In political disputes shall be immediately expelled. 

2. No Fellow, Officer, or Council of the Theosophical Society, or of any Section or Branch thereof, shall promulgate or maintain any doctrinas being that advanced, or advocated by the Society."
http://www.global-theosophy.net/ts_constitution_rules.php
or
The Theosophist May 1891 to September 1891 (for instance the Kessinger version)

B.2
H. P. Blavatsky wrote about [âORIGINAL PROGRAMMEâ MANUSCRIPT]:
"Such was the programme in its broad features. The two chief Founders were not told what they had to do, how they had to bring about and quicken the growth of the Society and results desired; nor had they any definite ideas given them concerning its outward organizationâall this being left entirely with themselves. Thus, as the undersigned had no capacity for such work as the mechanical formation and administration of a Society, the management of the latter was left in the hands of Col. H. S. Olcott, then and there elected by the primitive founders and membersâPresident for life. But if the two Founders were not told what they had to do, they were distinctly instructed about what they should never do, what they had to avoid, and what the Society should never become. Church organizations, Christian and Spiritual sects were shown as the future contrasts to our Society."
(BCW, Vol. VII, p. 146)
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v7/yxxxx_019.htm

Let the seekers Remember well that last sentence in the above quote.
That is to say, that the student learn from the teacher - and the teacher (unless an ignorant) learn from the student; and admit doing it.
Yet, even so they will perhaps not learn or understand.

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C.
H. P. Blavatsky said fittingly about the TS:
"The Society founded to remedy the glaring evils of Christianity, to shun bigotry and intolerance, cant and superstition and to cultivate real universal love extending even to the dumb brute"
The Collected Writings of H. P. Blavatsky, vol. 7, p.246 
But, this will perhaps be too much to post above the entrance door down in Adyar, or London or especially in USA?
(smile.)
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D.
H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
"And here, we must be allowed a last remark. No true theosophist, from the most ignorant up to the most learned, ought to claim infallibility for anything he may say or write upon occult matters. The chief point is to admit that, in many a way, in the classification of either cosmic or human principles, in addition to mistakes in the order of evolution, and especially on metaphysical questions, those of us who pretend to teach others more ignorant than ourselves â are all liable to err. Thus mistakes have been made in "Isis Unveiled," in "Esoteric Buddhism," in "Man," in "Magic: White and Black," etc., etc.; and more than one mistake is likely to be found in the present work."
(The Secret Doctrine, Vol.II, p. 640)


No infallible popery there...smile.

Handsome is who handsome does.
But I would never go and call myself a theosophist, when I have violated the main principles and the main ideas behind the programe given by the founders.
That is to sail under a false flag. 

The question is what ethical flag are you the readers sailing under?
If a false one: The you better call your group something else then.


Any comments?
(Silence is also an answer.)


M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 8:13 PM
  Subject: Re: theos-talk Aurobindo's madman?


    
  Digital based theosophy is already there with various sites such as this and
  theosophy.net ning site. The control organizational leaders had on account
  of the money and assets is slowly ebbing away in this direction. Is it any
  wonder that the move is reflected in the number of members in organizations?

  You will notice an elitist attitude in many 'organizational' theosophists -
  especially when you move up the ladder in organizations with all the
  impressive titles, name suffixes to signify achievements in intellectual
  learning, costumes and also the built-in belief that if you are following
  any of the prescribed practices you are going up the ladder (and also the
  hope that you are getting closer to the Initiates) and many of them totally
  incapable of communicating with other at their level.

  Digital world is a truly leveling field that takes time to get used to, and
  at times can be scary. It looks like that is why you do not see the well
  known names in organizational matters in any of these lists. And digital
  world is moving forward like a Juggernaut and either you get on it or get
  crushed by it.

  A true theosophist cannot but pity when we see the situation. Let us all
  pray (to God or whatever) that their eyes are opened soon and get on the
  Juggernaut for the good of Humanity. And it is free, it is transparent - no
  membership paperwork, no annual dues, no obedience, nothing!

  MKR

  On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Martin <Mvandertak@xGWDzed-iSJ_V8EBuP8xUgCGj6FlIBEITcRHQK5Q3nACInpNmAmnYFNBuMdNflaCWi3iLuLPQD9SwOrA8Q.yahoo.invalid> wrote:

  >
  >
  > Ok, I thrw in a few as well...
  >
  > As MKR has already mentioned many times about the availability of the
  > Internet,
  > the Theosophical Society should become a complete digital one. The Digital
  > Theosophical Society would not have the trouble of maintaining Staff nor
  > property and as such is much more in line with the being free of the
  > Knowledge
  > the TS could share through this medium.
  >
  > Adapting to reading from a screen instead of parts of a dead tree is easy.
  > Glass
  > is made of sand and sand carries Akasha. Illuminated Akasha...ok,ok I go
  > too
  > much off topic.
  > I would support the idea of the founding of a Digital Theosophical Society
  > and
  > include the Theosophical site of Joe Fulton, since I feel people there are
  > much
  > more open to new developements than anywhere else online.
  > Fulton''s site can be found here: http://theosnet.ning.com/
  > Although I myself am banned overthere because of my mental temper, that
  > doesn't
  > mean I do not support them...
  >
  > ________________________________
  > From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@vBUasKO-foHUdTja5stAgGfDBH1gXf1TlzUFC9hmIMW45VXiTynJYxqZn94BFtfRCvvpltk81ZMlKRfUuASbp9I__Q.yahoo.invalid<global-theosophy%40stofanet.dk>
  > >
  >
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 11:27:44 AM
  >
  > Subject: Re: theos-talk Aurobindo's madman?
  >
  > May I throw a few words?
  >
  > CONSTITUTION AND RULES OF THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY, The Theosophist -
  > January
  > 1891 says the following in Article XIII:
  >
  > "ARTICLE XIII
  > Offences"
  > .......
  > "2. No Fellow, Officer, or Council of the Theosophical Society, or of any
  > Section or Branch thereof, shall promulgate or maintain any doctrinas being
  > that
  > advanced, or advocated by the Society."
  > http://www.global-theosophy.net/ts_constitution_rules.php
  > or
  > The Theosophist May 1891 to September 1891 (for instance the Kessinger
  > version)
  >
  > So why should one follow the views given by Aurobindo if one keep this
  > Constitution in mind and Blavatsky words in [âORIGINAL PROGRAMMEâ
  > MANUSCRIPT]
  > (BCW, Vol. VII, p. 145-173)
  > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v7/yxxxx_019.htm ?
  >
  > M. Sufilight
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Duane Carpenter
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 11:01 AM
  > Subject: Re: theos-talk Aurobindo's madman?
  >
  > Great Article Jim
  > This extracted section of the article really gave important insights.
  >
  > Aurobindo: Claims of Theosophy
  >
  > "If Theosophy is to survive, it must first change itself. It must learn
  > that
  > mental rectitude to which it is now a stranger and improve its moral basis.
  > It
  > must become clear, straightforward, rigidly self-searching, sceptical in
  > the
  > nobler sense of the word. It must keep the Mahatmas in the background and
  > put
  > God and Truth in the front. Its Popes must dethrone themselves and enthrone
  > the
  > intellectual conscience of mankind. If they wish to be mystic and secret
  > like
  > our Yogins, then they must like our Yogins assert only to the initiate and
  > the
  > trained; but if they come out into the world to proclaim their mystic
  > truths
  > aloud and seek power, credit and influence on the strength of their
  > assertions,
  > then they must prove. It need not and ought not to be suddenly or by
  > miracles;
  > but there must be a scientific development, we must be able to lay hold on
  > the
  > rationale and watch the process of the truths they proclaim."
  >
  > Circa 1910/12
  >
  > ________________________________
  > From: jamesbergh <jamesbergh@4FvE8R6nq2BN3iRzmGViMfwvoR61kPIDQHDgoTg2o8z9iJ2vxT_cmNR57mgTx-wANKQRSzapG3o3TYSWSw.yahoo.invalid <jamesbergh%40yahoo.com>>
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 7:12:33 PM
  > Subject: theos-talk Aurobindo's madman?
  >
  > I was reading an article by Aurobindo, Claims of Theosophy at:
  > www.aurobindo.ru/workings/sa/17/0015_e.htm
  >
  > He wrote in 1910/12: ...The only member of the Theosophical Society who
  > could
  > give me any spiritual help I could not better by my unaided faculties, was
  > one
  > excluded from the esoteric section because of his rare and potent
  > experiences
  > were unintelligible to Theosophical guides... one who meddled not in
  > organizations and election cabals but lived like a madman, unmattavat."
  >
  > Could have been some other Chuck, but I wonder who this soul may have been.
  >
  > Any ideas?
  >
  > Jim
  >
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