Re: a response to Leon Maurer/yanniru - on consciousness and cosmogenesis
Oct 05, 2010 11:51 PM
by Leon Maurer
(Another old, unmailed letter found in my outbox of nearly 200 such partially finished but unsent emails -- but seemingly still appropriate for those interested in digging out the truth obout consciousness and cosmogenesis.)
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Richard,
What you apparently gather from my explanations is not what it actually means. So, let me try to straighten out what I do mean...
In my ABC model, the subspace of compacted dimensions are included as part of the 4th lowest order physical plane of the cosmos, along with its higher order radiant spiritual, astral and mental fields -- which are related to the so called "compacted fields" (actually super dense sub quantum particles) in the Planck space on the physical/material plane ... This is based on the ABC hyperspherical geometry -- which indicates that all fractal involved harmonic field levels are analogous at all levels -- from the overall super symmetrical cosmos through its 4th lowest order physical universe down to the quantum level, and further down through the quarks, and even smaller virtual particles in the so called "quantum foam"... And, finally spiraling down to the near infinite mass of the physical plane's "singularity" center inside the event barrier of each mini-black hole (spin momentum) surrounding each conscious zero-point of pre cosmic absolute space. (I hope this descriptive imagery can be visualized by you and others. The symbolic diagrams linked below might be helpful).
This doesn't mean, however, that the physical properties and dynamics of the "forms" or sub quantum particles (axions, tachyons, etc.) on each such hyperspace field order plane are the same... Only that the fundamental cyclic laws of electrodynamics that govern them all, are identical. Thus, such higher order astral and mental fields and forms cannot act directly on physical forms or be detected by physical instruments. Although the formative information they carry on their field surfaces or event horizons (as holograms) can be transformed from one field to another by phase conjugate adaptive resonance. This is the only way our mental or memory fields can affect our physical fields -- leading to psychic-emotional as well as physical-chemical changes that can affect our health.
Thus, underlying the total mass-energy in the physical universe, there are both the lower subquantum fields and the higher order mind memory fields on the Z axes of the overall cosmic field (and all it fractal harmonic involutions) plus the dark matter-energy on the two perpendicular X-Y axes of the overall physical space-time (that Einstein called this "total space" or the Aether)... All of which are invisible to each other -- as are all the even higher order cosmic fields surrounding and beyond the highest order fields of total physical spsce-time. See symbolic cross sectional diagrams of the continuous analogous and corresponding fractal involutions of such cyclic fields, beginning at the central ZP singularity of the entire cosmos, and descending down to the 4th lowest order physical universe and its continued fractal involution, also on three perpendicular ZPE spin axes... One light (matter) and two dark.
http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Chakrafield-spherical-col_3.jpg
http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Cyclic-paths-cosmogenesis.jpg and
http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Fract-Exp-Lt-Dk-matter-text.jpg
To fully comprehend this cosmogenetic and universe genesis model (after its apparent "big bang"), we have to follow the geometric logic of the fractal involutions of total spacetime -- from the highest order triune cosmic spiritual field, down, on each of its three axes, through its 4 phase orders to the physical plane, and then analogously down through the highest order triune physical hyperspace field to its lowest order material field -- which is accessible (i.e., observable and measurable) to classical physics (after symmetry breaks upon completion of initial inflation of all super-symmetrical cosmic fields).
Thus, it's only the higher order physical hyperspace fields, whose "light" energy particles are in the Planck volume, which are mathematically accessible to quantum gravity physics and string physics... Although some of the mathematics of SUSY or M theory] go a bit further, since they deal with the actual surfaces ("branes") of the higher order physical field harmonics rather than the individual particles or strings. None of such physics, however, can approach (beyond the singularity on the physical plane) the 3 higher order cosmic fields, and their harmonics. Nor can any of them deal with or reductively explain the dark matter-energy fields, or the fundamentally conscious zero-point itself -- which ZP must be located everywhere at the center of all radiant energy fields, and their analogous fractal harmonics -- including those higher order hyperspace fields surrounding our entire bodies, each cell and organ within it, and both the Earth and the Sun themselves. All such fields being harmonically resonant with each other, as infinitum. Thus, our individual circadian and other cyclic rhythms, on all 7 levels of our being, are affected by the corresponding rhythms of the Earth and the Solar fields.
These interpenetrating harmonic fields originating around infinite zero-point centers throughout the cosmos -- with each field capable of carrying holographic wave interference patterns on their surfaces, coupled with phase conjugate adaptive resonance, along with the coherent ZPE radiation necessary to reconstruct the hologram images for purposes of conscious perception -- is the fundamental basis of the holographic principle.
As for the 4th lowest frequency-energy order cosmic spacetime (the physical-spiritual plane)... Its overall highest order field and its next lower order mental and astral fields, which are formed prior to its continued fractal involution down to the lowest order material spacetime fields -- are entirely beyond observation or detection by any material form or instrumentation... Although, their particles or strings and fields or "dimensions" can be mathematically determined -- their holographic image information can only be accessed by focussed consciousness in the deepest concentrated state of Samadhi meditation... Or, on the lower order astral-mental-memory plane when in dream sleep, or NDE or OOBE states.
If we can practice such meditation and achieve such a state of total emptiness of mind, along with full conscious concentration in the initial spiritual field on our physical plane (without being blinded by the light or it's emotional bliss) -- we will see for ourselves how all universes (and all analogous radiant fields) originate, involve, and evolve... Starting from an infinitely repeating double helix, Mobius-Klein spiral vortex of parallel 1-D force rays descending and ascending in perfect balance (as a hyperspherical standing wave) vibrating cyclically both inward and outward from the endless void - which is beyond the superior or highest order hyperspacetime fields fields of the cosmos itself. We will also understand how eternally conscious absolute zero-point space, containing infinite information and infinite potential energy, can be everywhere, inside, on the surface, and outside of all radiant fields... and that what we see in our mind's eye as metric mass-energy and all its material forms are totally illusory holographic images... With such images only appearing to be solid to those entities that are formed of the same frequency phase order of manifest spacetime.
Thus, while all objects are nothing more than vibrating energy fields that are in varied states of interlocking electrodynamics - they appear solid to our touch - which cells are made of the same energy fields... Which, in themselves, are nothing more than empty space in motion (as Einstein pointed out). Such "empty space" (Aether) being actually the ZPE source (spin momentum singularity) in linear motion. (The "spin momentum" itself being non linear cyclic motion around a static ZP center of consciousness)
In conclusion:
Unconditioned consciousness is a fundamental quality of pre cosmic absolute space or void, and is located everywhere in metric spacetime at the center of origin of every possible radiant energy field.... Starting with the initial field of cosmogenesis, and descending down, in progressively lower frequency-energy phase orders, to the smallest compacted particle-standing wave fields (ZPEF) in the physical Planck volume.
All such fields in their initial or natural harmonic triune spherical standing wave (of varying total mass-energy) are centered on and originated from a conscious ZPE source of infinite ZP spin momentum (only a portion of which is utilized by the field)... Which source can be considered the fundamental "unit of consciousness" within each sentient being, as well as within each of their organs, individual cells, mitochondria, DNA, etc.... And which - due to entanglement at the BEC level of absolute zero degrees K of each zero-point - becomes the global self consciousness of each compound cellular body or the collective consciousness of each swarm, flock, mob, school, etc. in any taxon of nature. Thus, all living cells, plants, animals, and mankind ere fundamentally conscious... With such consciousness expressed in varying degrees depending on their individual evolutionary development... With mankind being the one species who can consciously access the highest order mental realms up to the cosmic level.
See how the fields within and surrounding each human body are analogous and corresponding to the initial fields of cosmogenesis as well as those of the physical universal genesis.
http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg
Epilogue: (If that is the way it is...
Hopefully in the near future, before the world collapses under its own weight...
Once everyone can realize that their individualized eternal global (self) consciousness is who and what they are, that they are interconnected with each other and with the cosmic conscious mind (oversoul or God if you will) and that the physical universe is a hologram in its higher mind... They will, ultimately - after learning how to contact their individual cells and heal themselves -- be able to join their individual minds together and, through commonly focused will, restore their local environment back to whatever harmony is necessary to serve all.their essential needs.
When that happens, physics (under this new paradigm) will still be the necessary basis of the advanced technologies that will augment the shortfalls of nature, and improve the living conditions of all sentient beings. Imagine not having to enslave and kill animals for our necessary nutritional needs, or not depleting and polluting the biosphere for the sake of our energy requirements. Even space travel will become commonly feasible, possibly based on free energy extracted from the ZPE, and could serve as the vehicle of interplanetary trade routes to fulfill all our raw material needs. Wouldn't that, alone, make Earth truly a paradise?
Also, knowing that we all are eternally self conscious beings, and that "as we sow, so shall we reap" - in accord with immutable karmic laws (action=reaction) - each of us will gladly cooperate in creating the future world we would all be happy to reincarnate in... As a unified, compassionate and peaceful mankind, with room for infinite degrees of diversity to fit any personality we wish to adopt... And, without avarice, greed, selfishness, or any need for competition - other than through the sports, games and adventures we choose to participate in or observe... With all needs taken care of by cooperation with nature itself, and with all its bounties free to all - there will be no more need for fear or strife.
While I don't expect this to happen in our lifetimes, or perhaps even in the next few... I'm sure it will be well on its way before the end of this century, ... Provided we don't delay too long in scientifically proving these truths and spreading it around to get the ball rolling "before it becomes "too late to relate" (as the late, wise old Poet-O once wrote. ;-)
Best wishes,
Leon Maurer
On Oct 22, 2009, at 10/22/097:37 AM, yanniru wrote:
> Leon,
>
> I gather that what you call the 4th lowest frequency-energy order of
> the physical spacetime is what is observable and detectable.
> The subspace of compactified dimensions is not observable or detectable and so I do not agree with your categorization.
> Richard
>
> --- Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@...> wrote:
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> I'll buy all of your conclusions -- so long as it's understood that
>> they apply solely to the the fourth lowest frequency-energy order of
>> the physical spacetime -- that is entirely separate from the primal
>> cosmic singularity and its highest order (superphysical spiritual,
>> mental, Astral) super-spacetime fields of cosmogenesis -- which
>> precede the observable or experiential, analogously fractal involved
>> metaphysical and physical/material spacetime... All, in accord with
>> the holographic principle, fundamental hyperspherical fractal
>> geometry, and the unrenormalized GRT equations that extend to both
>> zero and infinity solutions.
>>
>> In that light, I still claim that the fundamental basis of perceptive
>> (observer) consciousness (infinite awareness, will, etc.) -- that is
>> capable of detecting the near infinite light frequencies of the
>> highest cosmic spiritual field (1st Logos)** -- is the absolutely
>> stationary zero-point of unconditioned, pre-cosmic absolute space at
>> the center of the cosmic singularity -- that exists eternally, beyond
>> any manifest space or time within any particular cyclically
>> manifesting cosmos (among potentially infinite possible cosmos's).
>>
>> My ABC model also is based on the essentiality for the subjective
>> functions of consciousness (awareness, will, qualia, etc.) to be
>> entirely (linearly) stationary and entirely separate from the
>> hologram information or energy forms it detects, holographically
>> reconstructs and perceives non locally (such as pain or touch in a
>> fingertip cell structure, smell in the nose, taste on the tongue and
>> sound and vision at a single point in the center of the head, etc..
>> Which is essential for geometric coordinate location -- such as
>> placing the body in exact locations within the 3D visual field,
>> judging trajectories of moving objects, distance to and location of
>> targets, etc.
>>
>> **http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Cyclic-paths-cosmogenesis.jpg
>>
>> This implies that Tom's CU's are simply the finite spin momentum
>> singularities (ZPE source) at the origin of every material form on
>> the physical plane -- whose central zero-point is the subjective
>> perceiver... And that Lofting's IDM model, along with all superstring
>> physics models apply only to the 4th lowest order physical plane of
>> total spacetime -- if not to its 4th lowest order ponderable material
>> plane... And, further, it's obvious that none of those models can
>> predict or explain the source and nature of cosmic consciousness, or
>> of its non local derivatives of individual awareness-will centered in
>> so called "consciousness units" -- nor do they acknowledge the
>> essential holographic nature of total manifest reality -- where
>> infinite information, of all possible conditions of total spacetime,
>> is contained in every absolute zero-point -- which, while located
>> everywhere, is beyond all metric space and time... Thus, opening the
>> door for a rationally scientific explanation of all psychic phenomena
>> and paranormal experience -- that doesn't depend on or is governed by
>> neural correlates.
>>
>> Leon Maurer
>> HOW IT ALL BEGAN
>> http://dzyanmaster.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/3/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10/21/095:04 AM, yanniru wrote:
>>
>>> Leon,
>>>
>>> Sorry. I thought you would undestand.
>>>
>>> In my picture the subspace of compactified dimensions in
>>> superstring theory consists of junctions tied together by a grid of
>>> strings.
>>>
>>> In superstring terminology the grid of wires or strings are called
>>> fibers, and the process, fibration. The junctions are the triple
>>> intersection points of seven-branes as shown in http://arxiv.org/
>>> PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0910/0910.2955v1.pdf
>>> The intersection and local branes are also called the compact
>>> manifold. And to be confusing the entire grid and junctions that
>>> pervade the entire universe is also called the compact manifold.
>>>
>>> Now string theorists claim that there are 10^500 solutions for the
>>> compact manifold and following Otmar (Tom) Pokorny's claim of
>>> distinguishable units of consciousness, it seemed to me that there
>>> are more than enough distinct solutions of the equations of
>>> superstring theory to provide at least one for each microstate in
>>> this universe and many (ennumerable) others.
>>>
>>> Right now I am a little hung up on just how many microstates exist
>>> in our universe. Susskind and Frampton have suggested that there is
>>> a maximum of 10^123 in the observable universe based on its volume
>>> of 3x10^80 cubic meters and the holographic principle that the
>>> number of microstates depends on the area of the surface of the
>>> observable universe. Each microstate is a Planck area on this surface.
>>>
>>> But my thought is that to get distinguishable units of
>>> consciousness, every Planck volume within the surface must contain
>>> at least one seven brane intersection point, which I presume would
>>> correspond to your ZPE singularity; and in fact in superstring
>>> theory it is referred to as one or many singularities. That's all
>>> in the link above- worth a read.
>>>
>>> So using Occum's Razor, I presume that each microstate or each
>>> Planck volume contains at least one such intersection and
>>> furthermore that each such intersection is slightly different from
>>> its neighbor. (But there may be many such intersections in a Planck
>>> volume which is the number N).
>>>
>>> Now there are 10^123 microstates from the surface of the observable
>>> universe, and there are 10^195 Planck volumes in the observable
>>> universe. So I say to be safe let's claim that there are 10^200
>>> Planck volumes in every universe on the average and that a distinct
>>> solution for the compact manifold exists in each one. That
>>> automatically says that the multiverse is about 10^300 universes in
>>> size and that the number of actual universes is smaller by a factor
>>> of 1000 or so depending on the packing density.
>>>
>>> Now the best argument for the need of distinguishable units of
>>> consciousness (i.e., distinguishable compact manifolds) is that the
>>> physical particles in a BEC are not distinguishable since they all
>>> have the same wave function. This will not do as a basic property
>>> of consciousness.
>>>
>>> However, each matter particle in a BEC according to stringtheory is
>>> connected by a string to the compact manifold; and therefore each
>>> matter particle is distinguishable. For example, Lofting's
>>> processing requires that particles of (or at least parts of) a BEC
>>> can be subdivided which requires that they be distinguishable.
>>>
>>> Another example is that your properties for the Absolute Space
>>> (which could be the compact subspace of superstring theory) are
>>> that of a BEC. But I claim that for such a BEC to be conscious,
>>> each smallest unit of it must be distinguishable. And I gather that
>>> is exactly what Tom is saying.
>>>
>>> And so I see four aspects of presentations on this the Mind/Brain
>>> forum coming together: 1. your ABC model; 2. Lofting's IDM model;
>>> 3. superstring compact manifold solutions; all tied together by the
>>> need for 4. Tom's distinct units of consciousness.
>>>
>>> So for me consciousness becomes mathematics on this basis made
>>> possible because at the fundamental microstate or Planck volume
>>> level, each unit of space is distinct and countable.
>>>
>>> Regarding "Zero points, compacted energy fields, virtual particles,
>>> or CU's" I conjecture that each compact manifold 7-brane
>>> intersection contains the laws of physics and is the ZPE that
>>> generates the virtual particles and is a CU. I further conjecture
>>> that IDM applies in its purest manifestation at the fundamental
>>> microstate level
>>> Yanniru aka Richard Ruquist
>>>
>>> PS: I was once married to a Greek lady from Athens named
>>> Yannopoulos and we adopted the family name Yannopoulos-Ruquist.
>>> That was contracted to yanniru to fit as a computer screen name.
>>> After our divorce I lost the Yannopoulos, but kept the screen name
>>> yanniru.
>>>
>>> --- In MindBrain@yahoogroups.com, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One or more what?
>>>> Zero points, compacted energy fields, virtual particles, or CU's.
>>>> If more, how many?
>>>> The number "N" doesn't cut it (unless it means the number of the
>>>> letter in the alphabet)
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 19, 2009, at 10/19/096:31 AM, yanniru@ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One, no less, maybe more
>>>>> as I represented by the number N.
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@>
>>>>> To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Mon, Oct 19, 2009 1:58 am
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] a response to Leon Maurer/yanniru
>>>>>
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> Forgive me for butting in, but my name IS in the subject line.;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Just so we know where we all stand in the overall scheme of things,
>>>>> and to keep Tom informed so he'll understand how many cu's are
>>>>> there...
>>>>> How many zero point energy sources are there in a Planck volume?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, if that's too difficult to calculate...
>>>>> How many virtual particles are there in each ZPE field in the
>>>>> Planck volume,
>>>>> and how many compacted energy fields do they come from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Leo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2009, at 10/18/098:45 AM, yanniru@ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, how many Planck volumes in an atom.
>>>>>> Let's use a carbon atom.
>>>>>> Its van der Waals radius is 170pm
>>>>>> A planck radius is 10^-35 m or 10^-26 pm
>>>>>> So in on carbon atom modeled as a hard sphere
>>>>>> there are about10^57 planck volumes in a carbon atom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I say that all my comments below about string theory
>>>>>> and units of consciousness are still valid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: tom9401 <otmar.pokorny@>
>>>>>> To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:34 pm
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] a response to Leon Maurer/yanniru
>>>>>>
>>>>>> O.K. What happens if I say there many millions, say 10**6 - 10**9
>>>>>> CU's in an average atom.? In addition, are you able to make any
>>>>>> approximation of the # of possible worlds? Such a # would be fun
>>>>>> to try to imagine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I may have found an angle/approach to string theory
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> where every unit of consciousness is distinct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vafa's 12d (10 space and 2 time dimensions) F theory has 10^500
>>>>>> solutions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's the landscape of string theory that has befuddled
>>>>>>> theorists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Each solution is a slightly different compactification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In F theory, the universe is a torus held together with fibers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that junction at the location of intersecting 7 branes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0910/0910.2955v1.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let 's assume that each junction is a unit of consciousness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then the 10^500 solutions describe the locally slightly
>>>>>> different junctions .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Furthermore let's assume that each junction is a Planck volume
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (the junctions could be much smaller, but not any larger)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Recent calculations indicate that there are 10^124 Planck
>>>>>> volumes in our universe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So there are enough F theory solutions to populate 10^376
>>>>>> distinct universes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But these universes must be part of a larger Multiverse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's suppose every Planck volume in the multiverse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> may also be a distinguishable unit of consciousness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the universes are packed in the multiverse
>>>>>>> like galaxies are packed in a universe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then the number of Planck bits in all the universes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> can be neglected compared to the total number in the multiverse,
>>>>>> & gt;
>>>>>>> which of course is 10^500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is equivalent to a multiverse diameter of 10^120 light years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And if universe the packing factor is 1/10 for a
>>>>>>> universe density of 1/10^3,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then there are 10^373 universes in the multiverse,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> each one with a distinct consciousness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now if it takes N junctions (units of consciousness)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to fill a Planck volume,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the number of universes is just reduced by 1/N,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> still a huge number.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clem
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Otmar Pokorny <otmar.pokorny@>
>>>>>>> To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 6:30 pm
>>>>>>> Subject: [Mind and Brain] a response to Leon Maurer/yanniru
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- In MindBrain@yahoogroups.com,
>>>>>>>> yanniru@ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom writes: While 'entangled' implies an inability to
>>>>>>>> retain identity, it expresses the idea that CU's combine
>>>>>>>> with others of its kind to form energy units such as bosons.
>>>>>>>> However, individual CU identity is never lost.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Y writes: This is a very important statement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Y writes: So I wonder Tom how you derived it: by insight, by
>>>>>> logic or
>>>>>>>> some other means?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom: Both. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course I mean that the units of consciousness never lose
>>>>>>>> their identity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This fact if so is outside the standard model or even
>>>>>>>> string theory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom writes: If everyone is thinkin' the same, no one is
>>>>>> thinkin'(G.S Patton)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could you as well indicate the scale of such units,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom writes: CU's are only units in the make-belie ve sense. And
>>>>>> yes, you will never loose your own sense of identity. And yes, you
>>>>>> are a part of a whole. You are one and you are many. You have a
>>>>>> dual nature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or provide a link to a more complete description?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom writes: What else do you want to know?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The fact that BECs of ordinary particles
>>>>>>>> lose identity has been a conundrum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom writes: They only seem to you to have lost their identity.
>>>>>> Bose-Einstein condensates are composed of patterns of energy,
>>>>>> aware-ized energy. You, yanniru, are not a collection of
>>>>>> particles. You are a Gestalt of aware energy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yanniru
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Tom
>>>>>>>
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