theos-talk Re: Action needed
Aug 07, 2010 07:29 PM
by nhcareyta
Dear Chuck
Thank you for your continued interest.
You may be accurate with this rationale.
I have learned over time that often the rationale doesn't much matter.
Where there is a will, a way will occur, oftentimes in a seemingly unrelated manner.
It is perhaps the collective will for change that is important. The method will work its way out eventually.
Regards
Nigel
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, charles cosimano <Drpsionic@...> wrote:
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> But those were actually the result of weakness on the part of the other side. The South Africans did not kill Nelson Mandela out of hand. The British did not simply shoot Ghandi. And the Berlin Wall fell because the Soviet Empire could not survive and Gorbachev lost his nerve.
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> Chuck the Heretic
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> http://www.charlescosimano.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@...>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 10:39 am
> Subject: theos-talk Re: Action needed
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> "Never" is a long time. Many extraordinary and inconceivable changes have occurred just in our lifetime.
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> The ending of apartheid in South Africa; bringing down the Berlin wall; the British leaving India.
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> For whatever the impetus, these were monumental changes, thought impossible up until the time they occurred.
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> And in any event, what's the alternative? Do nothing, say nothing?
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> I think not, but granted the action must be as wise as we can determine.
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> Never surrender to tyrany...never.
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@ wrote:
> >
> > And they still may never give a damn. How do you get past the mute button?
> >
> > Chuck the Heretic
> >
> > _www.charlescosimano.com
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/6/2010 10:22:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > nhcareyta@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We wait a little longer, try a little harder...and never give up.
> >
> > --- In
> >
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> > _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) , Drpsionic@ wrote:
> > >
> > > And if the local constituents really don't give a damn?
> > >
> > > Chuck the Heretic
> > >
> > > www.charlescosimano.com
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/5/2010 6:20:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > > nhcareyta@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear John, Erica and All
> > >
> > > Thank you for your responses and actions.
> > >
> > > Thanks to the internet and its popularity these issues are now being
> > aired
> > > throughout the broader community.
> > > Similarly, migration and asylum seeking are bringing certain cultural
> > > differences to the attention of powerful western forces through
> > community
> > > outrage and protest.
> > > Already there are broad based, community discussions on highly sensitive
> > > cultural and religious practices. From female circumcision to the
> > wearing of
> > > the burka in all its forms, and from certain kinds of torture to
> > stonings,
> > > all these matters are now being discussed internationally with many
> > human
> > > rights groups increasing the task of community education and action.
> > > Community act_ion equates to votes and it will eventually take a
> > foolhardy
> > > western politician to ignore the voices of their local constituents.
> > > The west can then_ bring greater pressure to bear on recalcitrant
> > regimes.
> > >
> > > Of course politics and economics are powerful forces and yes, these are
> > > very early steps, but with the use of the internet and its opportunities
> > to
> > > act I can see the early signs of a broad based, international shift in
> > > consciousness, such as we have never seen before.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > > Nigel
> > >
> > > --- In
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://www.charlescosimano.com/_
> > (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _) _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) __
> > > (mailto:_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@MTCiI7IMORxylo3IHd5mML-ANIq36ukv4txsedzoOYzLeQMsA-Girf1Qkk7e9Qd_3np9H-ceP1LyKp0qPZp3MA.yahoo.invalidom_
> > (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) ) , Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nigel,
> > > > There are even video's of stoning online on Google and Yahoo video's.
> > > There have been numerous articles in the last few years about retrograde
> > 6th
> > > century abominable punishments according the the conventions of Sharia
> > Law
> > > of Islamic faith . One was a young teenager who had relation with a boy
> > and
> > > they stoned her to death for the family "honor". There are Islamic
> > > fundamentalist Personal Channels on Justin.tv ("Raah") and a few others
> > that show
> > > poor victum's having their fingers cut off while being tightly held by
> > > several men, Men being led to a grassy area for decapitition and the
> > head
> > > proudly displayed sitting on the chest of the dead body. I posted a few
> > of the
> > > 'Family honor" murder articles on this forum a while back. I find these
> > > idea's, concepts, rationalizations and practices abhorrent, abominable
> > and
> > > psychotic abberation in this modern world of today. The Taliban are
> > perfect
> > > example of terrorist suppressive_ degenerate religionism and the Wa habi
> > of_
> > > Saudi Arabia was a mentor to them. In England they are requesting the
> > right
> > > to install Sharia Law parelell and eqeal to the British Justice
> > Institute
> > > itself. people never studied the History of conquest by "perfusion" and
> > > "suffusion" and population displacement that is evidenced in History as
> > a social
> > > passive technique long established and practiced. A best present time is
> > > China and Tibet where China is actively practising this historic method
> > with
> > > a vengeance. One morning in a future we may wake up to a dreadful
> > reality
> > > that slowly insidiously pervaded our social space and beingness, beware
> > my
> > > friends of greeks bearing gifts.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Erica L. Georgiades" <eletzerich@>
> > > > To: _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _) _
> > (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) __
> > > (mailto:_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@MTCiI7IMORxylo3IHd5mML-ANIq36ukv4txsedzoOYzLeQMsA-Girf1Qkk7e9Qd_3np9H-ceP1LyKp0qPZp3MA.yahoo.invalidom_
> > (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _) _
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2010 7:50:53 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Nigel,
> > > >
> > > > Death by stoning because of adultery also exists in Afghanistan and
> > > Somalia.
> > > > From time to time I am signing petitions against such barbarism, this
> > is
> > > not the
> > > > first. I remember some years ago a similar case in Somalia, her name
> > was
> > > Aisho
> > > > ...dont remember the surname. And now Sakineh... the poor women has a
> > > son and
> > > > a daughter and is only 42 years old. Also I just read that in Iran
> > there
> > > is
> > > > also another 10 women waiting death-roll sentence, for the same
> > reason.
> > > >
> > > > Erica
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: nhcareyta < nhcareyta@ >
> > > > To: _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _) _
> > (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) __
> > > (mailto:_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@MTCiI7IMORxylo3IHd5mML-ANIq36ukv4txsedzoOYzLeQMsA-Girf1Qkk7e9Qd_3np9H-ceP1LyKp0qPZp3MA.yahoo.invalidom_
> > (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _) _
> > > > Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 5:21:19 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed
> > > >
> > > > Dear Erica
> > > >
> > > > In spite of the considerable political considerations you mention, all
> > > of which
> > > > are accurate, there have been some quite remarkable social and
> > political
> > > changes
> > > > over recent times. Avaaz is one organisation making real headway in
> > some
> > > similar
> > > > situations, so all may not be lost.
> > > >
> > > > In any event, if we do nothing then certainly nothing will happen! So
> > > thank you
> > > > for contacting some of your fellow members. If everyone on t/talk does
> > > the same
> > > > a snowball reaction may occur.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards
> > > > Nigel
> > > >
> > > > --- In _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _) _
> > (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) __
> > > (mailto:_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@MTCiI7IMORxylo3IHd5mML-ANIq36ukv4txsedzoOYzLeQMsA-Girf1Qkk7e9Qd_3np9H-ceP1LyKp0qPZp3MA.yahoo.invalidom_
> > (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) ) , "Erica" <eletzerich@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Nigel,
> > > > >
> > > > > This is most barbarian thing, which is unacceptable. I think the
> > > matter is in
> > > > >fact an international matter and not only of influence of one country
> > > or
> > > > >another.
> > > > >
> > > > > The United Nations could also interfere if they want. Such kind of
> > law
> > > should
> > > > >be completely abolished. Today is Sakineh imprisoned and condemned to
> > > death,
> > > > >tomorrow will be another Sakineh and the thing will go on and on.
> > > > >
> > > > > If there is not a strong international interference, I consider
> > almost
> > > > >impossible a diplomatic solution for this problem to be found. If
> > Iran
> > > opens one
> > > > >exception, eventually they would need to change their law. And when
> > one
> > > has to
> > > > >do with Islamic laws, is as if someone puts the hand in a "bag full
> > of
> > > cats".
> > > > >
> > > > > So such a hope regarding Brazil and Turkey to find a diplomatic
> > > solution, are
> > > > >vain in my opinion. In my opinion all the internati_onal community
> > > should raise
> > > > >their voice and interfere, als_o stating that such a law should be
> > > abolished.
> > > > >But unfortunately this wont happen, because there is no oil or money
> > > involved.
> > > > >
> > > > > See the case of Aung San Suu kyi, years imprisoned by the military
> > > regime or
> > > > >Burma. Nothing was done to help the people of Burma or to release
> > her,
> > > except
> > > > >endless diplomatic talks which resulted probably in the fact that she
> >
> > > is still
> > > > >alive.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway I will send some e-mails to some members of the Brazilian
> > > Section I
> > > > >know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Erica
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _)
> > > _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) __ (mailto:_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _) _ ,
> > "nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Erica
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, that is correct. That is why I asked whether there are some
> > > wealthy
> > > > >Adyar Society Brazilian members able to bring extra influence on
> > their
> > > > >President, perhaps to make another, more strident attempt.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That would surely be Theosophy in action.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > Nigel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _)
> > > _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) __ (mailto:_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _) _ ,
> > "Erica L. Georgiades"
> > > <eletzerich@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yesterday I read on Washington Post that, Lula the Brazilian
> > > President,
> > > > >already
> > > > >
> > > > > > > requested to the President of Iran to release her and give her
> > > asylum in
> > > > >Brazil.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > The request of the President of Brazil was denied.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Erica
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@>
> > > > > > > To: _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _)
> > > _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) __ (mailto:_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) )
> > > > > > > Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 3:32:23 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: theos-talk Action needed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear All
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps some wealthy Adyar Society Brazilian members can bring
> > > additional
> > > > > > > pressure to bear on their President to address this outrageous
> > > issue?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Dear Friends,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Global pressure on Iran has saved Sakineh from death by stoning,
> > > but within
> > > > >days
> > > > >
> > > > > > > she could still be hanged. More pressure from leaders in Brazil
> > > and Turkey,
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Iran's allies, are Sakineh's last hope. Donate below to fund an
> > > emergency
> > > > >ad
> > > > >
> > > > > > > campaign in Brazil and Turkey in the next 72 hours:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sakineh Ashtiani could be executed for adultery in Iran in the
> > > next few
> > > > >days,
> > > > >
> > > > > > > but two men could still save her -- the leaders of Brazil and
> > > Turkey.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > President Lula and Prime Minister Erdoğan are powerful
> > allies
> > > and
> > > > >mediators
> > > > >
> > > > > > > with Iran w_ho enjoy great respect there, and both countries
> > have
> > > condemned
> > > > >the
> > > > >
> > > > > > > case. Now, we need to push them to deploy all their diplomatic
> > > forces and
> > > > > > > persuade Iran to free Sakineh and stop stoning forever.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Avaaz is launching an emergency ad campaign in influential
> > > newspapers in
> > > > >Turkey
> > > > >
> > > > > > > and Brazil urging them to press Iran for clemency and justice.
> > The
> > > ads will
> > > > >
> > > > > > > deliver our half-million strong petition, reach political
> > circles
> > > and
> > > > >directly
> > > > >
> > > > > > > appeal to Lula's and Erdoğan's leadership and moral
> > > authority. If
> > > > >5,000 of
> > > > >
> > > > > > > us donate even a small amount in the next 72 hours, we'll make a
> > > powerful
> > > > > > > statement before it's too late. This may be Sakineh's last hope
> > --
> > > click
> > > > >here to
> > > > >
> > > > > > > chip in:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > _> _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _)
> > > __ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl__ (https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_) _ (_
> > (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl) )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sakineh's sentence is a farcical travesty of justice. She was
> > > sentenced to
> > > > >death
> > > > >
> > > > > > > by stoning for allegedly having relations with other men --
> > years
> > > after her
> > > > >
> > > > > > > husband had passed away, despite stoning having been outlawed in
> > > Iran, and
> > > >
> > > > > > > despite her not being able to speak the language of her trial.
> > Her
> > > two
> > > > >children
> > > > >
> > > > > > > launched a campaign to save her life, and generated a worldwide
> > > uproar,
> > > > > > > including over 554,000 Avaaz members. Feeling the pressure, the
> > > Iranian
> > > > > > > government revoked the stoning, but the execution sentence
> > stands.
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tension has been rising in Iran since the Sakineh case gained
> > > attention --
> > > > >the
> > > > >
> > > > > > > regime has threatened to arrest her children for speaking out
> > and
> > > has
> > > > >issued an
> > > > >
> > > > > > > arrest warrant against Sakineh's lawyer. He has now gone into
> > > hiding and
> > > > >his
> > > > >
> > > > > > > family-members have been rounded-up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But Lula and Erdoğan have great respect in Iran and can
> > > influence the
> > > >
> > > > > > > regime. And they listen to us. Lula had said that he would not
> > get
> > > involved
> > > > >in
> > > > >
> > > > > > > this case. But after an aide brought his attention to the
> > massive
> > > online
> > > > > > > campaign, he changed his mind, offering Sakineh asylum and
> > > prompting
> > > > >Iranian
> > > > >
> > > > > > > authorities to announce that the case would be quickly
> > resolved.
> > > We know
> > > > >Lula
> > > > >
> > > > > > > listens to Avaaz campaigns -- in the last year, despite
> > powerful
> > > > >opposition,
> > > > >
> > > > > > > members in Brazil have helped persuade Lula to sign off on a law
> >
> > > to protect
> > > > >the
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Amazon and a bold anti-corruption law.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > During the last two weeks, over 554,000 of us have signed the
> > > petition to
> > > > >Save
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Sakineh and end stoning in Iran. We only have days left to
> > > persu_ade Lula
> > > > >and
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Erdoğan to act -- and it may be our last chance to save
> > > Sakineh. Let's
> > > > >each
> > > > >
> > > > > > > pitch in a small amount and _make sure they hear our call to
> > > leadership:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _)
> > > __ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl__ (https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_) _ (_
> > (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> > _https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl) _)
> > > _
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > Sakineh's case has outraged the entire world by the sheer scale
> > of
> > > its
> > > > >brutal,
> > > > >
> > > > > > > nonsensical injustice. But in our fight for one woman we make a
> > > powerful
> > > > > > > statement about women, and people, everywhere. In standing up
> > for
> > > one
> > > > >person, we
> > > > >
> > > > > > > stand up for everyone's right to justice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sakineh's children's have sent out a last plea: "Do not allow
> > our
> > > nightmare
> > > > >
> > > > > > > become a reality, Today, when nearly all options have reached
> > > dead-ends, we
> > > > >
> > > > > > > resort to you. Please help our mother return home!" Click here
> > to
> > > answer
> > > > >their
> > > > >
> > > > > > > call, and get Erdoğan and Lula to do the same:
> > > > > > >
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> > > __ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
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> > > _
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With hope and determination,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alice, Pascal, Alice W, Ricken, David, and the Avaaz Team
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > SOURCES:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Guardian, "Iran stoning woman offered asylum by Brazil's
> > > President
> > > > >Lula":
> > > > >
> > > > > > > _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
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> > (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://www.avaaz.org/guardian_sakineh_article_
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