Theos-Talk Archives (August 2010 Message tt00064)

We wait a little longer, try a little harder...and never give up.



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@... wrote:
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> And if the local constituents really don't give a damn?
>  
> Chuck the Heretic
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> www.charlescosimano.com  
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> In a message dated 8/5/2010 6:20:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> nhcareyta@... writes:
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> Dear John, Erica and All
> 
> Thank you for your responses and  actions.
> 
> Thanks to the internet and its popularity these issues are now  being aired 
> throughout the broader community.
> Similarly, migration and  asylum seeking are bringing certain cultural 
> differences to the attention of  powerful western forces through community 
> outrage and protest. 
> Already  there are broad based, community discussions on highly sensitive 
> cultural and  religious practices. From female circumcision to the wearing of 
> the burka in  all its forms, and from certain kinds of torture to stonings, 
> all these  matters are now being discussed internationally with many human 
> rights groups  increasing the task of community education and action.
> Community action  equates to votes and it will eventually take a foolhardy 
> western politician to  ignore the voices of their local constituents.
> The west can then_ bring  greater pressure to bear on recalcitrant regimes.
> 
> Of course politics  and economics are powerful forces and yes, these are 
> very early steps, but  with the use of the internet and its opportunities to 
> act I can see the early  signs of a broad based, international shift in 
> consciousness, such as we have  never seen before. 
> 
> Kind regards
> Nigel
> 
> --- In 
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> _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) , Augoeides-222@  wrote:
> >
> > Nigel, 
> > There are even video's of stoning  online on Google and Yahoo video's. 
> There have been numerous articles in the  last few years about retrograde 6th 
> century abominable punishments according  the the conventions of Sharia Law 
> of Islamic faith . One was a young teenager  who had relation with a boy and 
> they stoned her to death for the family  "honor". There are Islamic 
> fundamentalist Personal Channels on Justin.tv  ("Raah") and a few others that show 
> poor victum's having their fingers cut off  while being tightly held by 
> several men, Men being led to a grassy area for  decapitition and the head 
> proudly displayed sitting on the chest of the dead  body. I posted a few of the 
> 'Family honor" murder articles on this forum a  while back. I find these 
> idea's, concepts, rationalizations and practices  abhorrent, abominable and 
> psychotic abberation in this modern world of today.  The Taliban are perfect 
> example of terrorist suppressive degenerate  religionism and the Wa habi of_ 
> Saudi Arabia was a mentor to them. In England  they are requesting the right 
> to install Sharia Law parelell and eqeal to the  British Justice Institute 
> itself. people never studied the History of conquest  by "perfusion" and 
> "suffusion" and population displacement that is evidenced  in History as a social 
> passive technique long established and practiced. A  best present time is 
> China and Tibet where China is actively practising this  historic method with 
> a vengeance. One morning in a future we may wake up to a  dreadful reality 
> that slowly insidiously pervaded our social space and  beingness, beware my 
> friends of greeks bearing gifts. 
> > 
> > John  
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Erica L. Georgiades"  <eletzerich@> 
> > To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _ 
> > Sent: Thursday, August 5,  2010 7:50:53 AM 
> > Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Nigel, 
> >  
> > Death by stoning because of adultery also exists in Afghanistan and  
> Somalia. 
> > From time to time I am signing petitions against such  barbarism, this is 
> not the 
> > first. I remember some years ago a similar  case in Somalia, her name was 
> Aisho 
> > ...dont remember the surname. And  now Sakineh... the poor women has a 
> son and 
> > a daughter and is only 42  years old. Also I just read that in Iran there 
> is 
> > also another 10  women waiting death-roll sentence, for the same reason. 
> > 
> >  Erica 
> > 
> > ________________________________ 
> > From:  nhcareyta < nhcareyta@ > 
> > To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _ 
> > Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010  5:21:19 PM 
> > Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed 
> > 
> >  Dear Erica 
> > 
> > In spite of the considerable political  considerations you mention, all 
> of which 
> > are accurate, there have  been some quite remarkable social and political 
> changes 
> > over recent  times. Avaaz is one organisation making real headway in some 
> similar 
> >  situations, so all may not be lost. 
> > 
> > In any event, if we do  nothing then certainly nothing will happen! So 
> thank you 
> > for  contacting some of your fellow members. If everyone on t/talk does 
> the same  
> > a snowball reaction may occur. 
> > 
> > Kind regards  
> > Nigel 
> > 
> > --- In _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)  , "Erica" <eletzerich@> wrote:  
> > > 
> > > Dear Nigel, 
> > > 
> > > This is  most barbarian thing, which is unacceptable. I think the 
> matter is in 
> >  >fact an international matter and not only of influence of one country 
> or  
> > >another. 
> > > 
> > > The United Nations could  also interfere if they want. Such kind of law 
> should 
> > >be  completely abolished. Today is Sakineh imprisoned and condemned to 
> death,  
> > >tomorrow will be another Sakineh and the thing will go on and on.  
> > > 
> > > If there is not a strong international  interference, I consider almost 
> > >impossible a diplomatic solution  for this problem to be found. If Iran 
> opens one 
> > >exception,  eventually they would need to change their law. And when one 
> has to 
> >  >do with Islamic laws, is as if someone puts the hand in a "bag full of  
> cats". 
> > > 
> > > So such a hope regarding Brazil and Turkey  to find a diplomatic 
> solution, are 
> > >vain in my opinion. In my  opinion all the international community 
> should raise 
> > >their voice  and interfere, als_o stating that such a law should be 
> abolished. 
> >  >But unfortunately this wont happen, because there is no oil or money   
> involved. 
> > > 
> > > See the case of Aung San Suu kyi, years  imprisoned by the military 
> regime or 
> > >Burma. Nothing was done to  help the people of Burma or to release her, 
> except 
> > >endless  diplomatic talks which resulted probably in the fact that she 
> is still  
> > >alive. 
> > > 
> > > Anyway I will send some  e-mails to some members of the Brazilian 
> Section I 
> > >know. 
> >  > 
> > > Erica 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> >  > --- In _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
> _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _ , "nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@>  wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > Dear Erica 
> > > >  
> > > > Yes, that is correct. That is why I asked whether there are  some 
> wealthy 
> > >Adyar Society Brazilian members able to bring extra  influence on their 
> > >President, perhaps to make another, more  strident attempt. 
> > > > 
> > > > That would surely be  Theosophy in action. 
> > > > 
> > > > Regards 
> >  > > Nigel 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
> _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _ , "Erica L. Georgiades"  
> <eletzerich@> 
> > wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > >  > Yesterday I read on Washington Post that, Lula the Brazilian 
> President,  
> > >already 
> > > 
> > > > > requested to the  President of Iran to release her and give her 
> asylum in 
> > >Brazil.  
> > > 
> > > > > The request of the President of Brazil  was denied. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > >  > Erica 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > >  > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  ________________________________ 
> > > > > From: nhcareyta  <nhcareyta@> 
> > > > > To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
> _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)  
> > > > > Sent: Thu,  August 5, 2010 3:32:23 PM 
> > > > > Subject: theos-talk Action  needed 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Dear All 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Perhaps some wealthy  Adyar Society Brazilian members can bring 
> additional 
> > > > >  pressure to bear on their President to address this outrageous 
> issue? 
> >  > > > 
> > > > > "Dear Friends, 
> > > > >  
> > > > > Global pressure on Iran has saved Sakineh from death  by stoning, 
> but within 
> > >days 
> > > 
> > > > >  she could still be hanged. More pressure from leaders in Brazil 
> and Turkey,  
> > > 
> > > > > Iran's allies, are Sakineh's last hope.  Donate below to fund an 
> emergency 
> > >ad 
> > > 
> > >  > > campaign in Brazil and Turkey in the next 72 hours: 
> > >  > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sakineh Ashtiani  could be executed for adultery in Iran in the 
> next few 
> > >days,  
> > > 
> > > > > but two men could still save her -- the  leaders of Brazil and 
> Turkey. 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  President Lula and Prime Minister Erdo&#287;an are powerful allies 
> and  
> > >mediators 
> > > 
> > > > > with Iran w_ho  enjoy great respect there, and both countries have 
> condemned 
> > >the  
> > > 
> > > > > case. Now, we need to push them to  deploy all their diplomatic 
> forces and 
> > > > > persuade Iran  to free Sakineh and stop stoning forever. 
> > > > > 
> >  > > > 
> > > > > Avaaz is launching an emergency ad  campaign in influential 
> newspapers in 
> > >Turkey 
> > >  
> > > > > and Brazil urging them to press Iran for clemency and  justice. The 
> ads will 
> > > 
> > > > > deliver our  half-million strong petition, reach political circles 
> and 
> >  >directly 
> > > 
> > > > > appeal to Lula's and  Erdo&#287;an's leadership and moral 
> authority. If 
> > >5,000 of  
> > > 
> > > > > us donate even a small amount in the  next 72 hours, we'll make a 
> powerful 
> > > > > statement before  it's too late. This may be Sakineh's last hope -- 
> click 
> > >here to  
> > > 
> > > > > chip in: 
> > > > >  
> > > > > _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
> _https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl)  
> > > > > 
> > >  > > Sakineh's sentence is a farcical travesty of justice. She was  
> sentenced to 
> > >death 
> > > 
> > > > > by  stoning for allegedly having relations with other men -- years 
> after her  
> > > 
> > > > > husband had passed away, despite stoning  having been outlawed in 
> Iran, and 
> > 
> > > > > despite her  not being able to speak the language of her trial. Her 
> two 
> >  >children 
> > > 
> > > > > launched a campaign to save  her life, and generated a worldwide 
> uproar, 
> > > > > including  over 554,000 Avaaz members. Feeling the pressure, the 
> Iranian 
> > >  > > government revoked the stoning, but the execution sentence stands. 
>  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Tension has been rising in  Iran since the Sakineh case gained 
> attention -- 
> > >the 
> > >  
> > > > > regime has threatened to arrest her children for  speaking out and 
> has 
> > >issued an 
> > > 
> > > >  > arrest warrant against Sakineh's lawyer. He has now gone into 
> hiding and  
> > >his 
> > > 
> > > > > family-members have  been rounded-up. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But Lula and  Erdo&#287;an have great respect in Iran and can 
> influence the 
> >  
> > > > > regime. And they listen to us. Lula had said that he  would not get 
> involved 
> > >in 
> > > 
> > > > >  this case. But after an aide brought his attention to the massive 
> online  
> > > > > campaign, he changed his mind, offering Sakineh asylum  and 
> prompting 
> > >Iranian 
> > > 
> > > > >  authorities to announce that the case would be quickly resolved. 
> We know  
> > >Lula 
> > > 
> > > > > listens to Avaaz  campaigns -- in the last year, despite powerful 
> > >opposition,  
> > > 
> > > > > members in Brazil have helped persuade  Lula to sign off on a law 
> to protect 
> > >the 
> > > 
> >  > > > Amazon and a bold anti-corruption law. 
> > > > >  
> > > > > During the last two weeks, over 554,000 of us have  signed the 
> petition to 
> > >Save 
> > > 
> > > > >  Sakineh and end stoning in Iran. We only have days left to 
> persuade Lula  
> > >and 
> > > 
> > > > > Erdo&#287;an to act  -- and it may be our last chance to save 
> Sakineh. Let's 
> > >each  
> > > 
> > > > > pitch in a small amount and _make sure  they hear our call to 
> leadership: 
> > > > > 
> > > >  > _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
> _https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl) 
> _ 
> > > > > 
> > >  > > Sakineh's case has outraged the entire world by the sheer scale of 
>  its 
> > >brutal, 
> > > 
> > > > > nonsensical  injustice. But in our fight for one woman we make a 
> powerful 
> > >  > > statement about women, and people, everywhere. In standing up for  
> one 
> > >person, we 
> > > 
> > > > > stand up for  everyone's right to justice. 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Sakineh's children's have sent out a last plea: "Do not allow our 
> nightmare  
> > > 
> > > > > become a reality, Today, when nearly all  options have reached 
> dead-ends, we 
> > > 
> > > > >  resort to you. Please help our mother return home!" Click here to 
> answer  
> > >their 
> > > 
> > > > > call, and get  Erdo&#287;an and Lula to do the same: 
> > > > > 
> >  > > > _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
> _https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl) 
> _ 
> > > > > 
> > >  > > With hope and determination, 
> > > > > 
> > >  > > Alice, Pascal, Alice W, Ricken, David, and the Avaaz Team 
> >  > > > 
> > > > > SOURCES: 
> > > > >  
> > > > > The Guardian, "Iran stoning woman offered asylum by  Brazil's 
> President 
> > >Lula": 
> > > 
> > > > >  _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
> _http://www.avaaz.org/guardian_sakineh_article_ (http://www.avaaz.org/guardian_sakineh_article) _ " 
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