Theos-Talk Archives (August 2010 Message tt00061)

And if the local constituents really don't give a damn?
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
www.charlescosimano.com  

 
In a message dated 8/5/2010 6:20:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
nhcareyta@kaET5oDDFTnvKKLzF5qvusN-y9ppKdbytlCYpPqJlu4SM8ByHtCFNvhDKNZU5L-Gs0TKn5_cqJMigUxc.yahoo.invalid writes:

 
 
 
Dear John, Erica and All

Thank you for your responses and  actions.

Thanks to the internet and its popularity these issues are now  being aired 
throughout the broader community.
Similarly, migration and  asylum seeking are bringing certain cultural 
differences to the attention of  powerful western forces through community 
outrage and protest. 
Already  there are broad based, community discussions on highly sensitive 
cultural and  religious practices. From female circumcision to the wearing of 
the burka in  all its forms, and from certain kinds of torture to stonings, 
all these  matters are now being discussed internationally with many human 
rights groups  increasing the task of community education and action.
Community action  equates to votes and it will eventually take a foolhardy 
western politician to  ignore the voices of their local constituents.
The west can then_ bring  greater pressure to bear on recalcitrant regimes.

Of course politics  and economics are powerful forces and yes, these are 
very early steps, but  with the use of the internet and its opportunities to 
act I can see the early  signs of a broad based, international shift in 
consciousness, such as we have  never seen before. 

Kind regards
Nigel

--- In 




_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) , Augoeides-222@...  wrote:
>
> Nigel, 
> There are even video's of stoning  online on Google and Yahoo video's. 
There have been numerous articles in the  last few years about retrograde 6th 
century abominable punishments according  the the conventions of Sharia Law 
of Islamic faith . One was a young teenager  who had relation with a boy and 
they stoned her to death for the family  "honor". There are Islamic 
fundamentalist Personal Channels on Justin.tv  ("Raah") and a few others that show 
poor victum's having their fingers cut off  while being tightly held by 
several men, Men being led to a grassy area for  decapitition and the head 
proudly displayed sitting on the chest of the dead  body. I posted a few of the 
'Family honor" murder articles on this forum a  while back. I find these 
idea's, concepts, rationalizations and practices  abhorrent, abominable and 
psychotic abberation in this modern world of today.  The Taliban are perfect 
example of terrorist suppressive degenerate  religionism and the Wa habi of_ 
Saudi Arabia was a mentor to them. In England  they are requesting the right 
to install Sharia Law parelell and eqeal to the  British Justice Institute 
itself. people never studied the History of conquest  by "perfusion" and 
"suffusion" and population displacement that is evidenced  in History as a social 
passive technique long established and practiced. A  best present time is 
China and Tibet where China is actively practising this  historic method with 
a vengeance. One morning in a future we may wake up to a  dreadful reality 
that slowly insidiously pervaded our social space and  beingness, beware my 
friends of greeks bearing gifts. 
> 
> John  
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Erica L. Georgiades"  <eletzerich@...> 
> To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _ 
> Sent: Thursday, August 5,  2010 7:50:53 AM 
> Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Nigel, 
>  
> Death by stoning because of adultery also exists in Afghanistan and  
Somalia. 
> From time to time I am signing petitions against such  barbarism, this is 
not the 
> first. I remember some years ago a similar  case in Somalia, her name was 
Aisho 
> ...dont remember the surname. And  now Sakineh... the poor women has a 
son and 
> a daughter and is only 42  years old. Also I just read that in Iran there 
is 
> also another 10  women waiting death-roll sentence, for the same reason. 
> 
>  Erica 
> 
> ________________________________ 
> From:  nhcareyta < nhcareyta@... > 
> To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _ 
> Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010  5:21:19 PM 
> Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed 
> 
>  Dear Erica 
> 
> In spite of the considerable political  considerations you mention, all 
of which 
> are accurate, there have  been some quite remarkable social and political 
changes 
> over recent  times. Avaaz is one organisation making real headway in some 
similar 
>  situations, so all may not be lost. 
> 
> In any event, if we do  nothing then certainly nothing will happen! So 
thank you 
> for  contacting some of your fellow members. If everyone on t/talk does 
the same  
> a snowball reaction may occur. 
> 
> Kind regards  
> Nigel 
> 
> --- In _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)  , "Erica" <eletzerich@> wrote:  
> > 
> > Dear Nigel, 
> > 
> > This is  most barbarian thing, which is unacceptable. I think the 
matter is in 
>  >fact an international matter and not only of influence of one country 
or  
> >another. 
> > 
> > The United Nations could  also interfere if they want. Such kind of law 
should 
> >be  completely abolished. Today is Sakineh imprisoned and condemned to 
death,  
> >tomorrow will be another Sakineh and the thing will go on and on.  
> > 
> > If there is not a strong international  interference, I consider almost 
> >impossible a diplomatic solution  for this problem to be found. If Iran 
opens one 
> >exception,  eventually they would need to change their law. And when one 
has to 
>  >do with Islamic laws, is as if someone puts the hand in a "bag full of  
cats". 
> > 
> > So such a hope regarding Brazil and Turkey  to find a diplomatic 
solution, are 
> >vain in my opinion. In my  opinion all the international community 
should raise 
> >their voice  and interfere, als_o stating that such a law should be 
abolished. 
>  >But unfortunately this wont happen, because there is no oil or money   
involved. 
> > 
> > See the case of Aung San Suu kyi, years  imprisoned by the military 
regime or 
> >Burma. Nothing was done to  help the people of Burma or to release her, 
except 
> >endless  diplomatic talks which resulted probably in the fact that she 
is still  
> >alive. 
> > 
> > Anyway I will send some  e-mails to some members of the Brazilian 
Section I 
> >know. 
>  > 
> > Erica 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>  > --- In _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _ , "nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@>  wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Dear Erica 
> > >  
> > > Yes, that is correct. That is why I asked whether there are  some 
wealthy 
> >Adyar Society Brazilian members able to bring extra  influence on their 
> >President, perhaps to make another, more  strident attempt. 
> > > 
> > > That would surely be  Theosophy in action. 
> > > 
> > > Regards 
>  > > Nigel 
> > > 
> > > --- In _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _ , "Erica L. Georgiades"  
<eletzerich@> 
> wrote: 
> > > > 
> > >  > Yesterday I read on Washington Post that, Lula the Brazilian 
President,  
> >already 
> > 
> > > > requested to the  President of Iran to release her and give her 
asylum in 
> >Brazil.  
> > 
> > > > The request of the President of Brazil  was denied. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > >  > Erica 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > > > 
> > > >  ________________________________ 
> > > > From: nhcareyta  <nhcareyta@> 
> > > > To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)  
> > > > Sent: Thu,  August 5, 2010 3:32:23 PM 
> > > > Subject: theos-talk Action  needed 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  Dear All 
> > > > 
> > > > Perhaps some wealthy  Adyar Society Brazilian members can bring 
additional 
> > > >  pressure to bear on their President to address this outrageous 
issue? 
>  > > > 
> > > > "Dear Friends, 
> > > >  
> > > > Global pressure on Iran has saved Sakineh from death  by stoning, 
but within 
> >days 
> > 
> > > >  she could still be hanged. More pressure from leaders in Brazil 
and Turkey,  
> > 
> > > > Iran's allies, are Sakineh's last hope.  Donate below to fund an 
emergency 
> >ad 
> > 
> >  > > campaign in Brazil and Turkey in the next 72 hours: 
> >  > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Sakineh Ashtiani  could be executed for adultery in Iran in the 
next few 
> >days,  
> > 
> > > > but two men could still save her -- the  leaders of Brazil and 
Turkey. 
> > > > 
> > > >  President Lula and Prime Minister Erdo&#287;an are powerful allies 
and  
> >mediators 
> > 
> > > > with Iran w_ho  enjoy great respect there, and both countries have 
condemned 
> >the  
> > 
> > > > case. Now, we need to push them to  deploy all their diplomatic 
forces and 
> > > > persuade Iran  to free Sakineh and stop stoning forever. 
> > > > 
>  > > > 
> > > > Avaaz is launching an emergency ad  campaign in influential 
newspapers in 
> >Turkey 
> >  
> > > > and Brazil urging them to press Iran for clemency and  justice. The 
ads will 
> > 
> > > > deliver our  half-million strong petition, reach political circles 
and 
>  >directly 
> > 
> > > > appeal to Lula's and  Erdo&#287;an's leadership and moral 
authority. If 
> >5,000 of  
> > 
> > > > us donate even a small amount in the  next 72 hours, we'll make a 
powerful 
> > > > statement before  it's too late. This may be Sakineh's last hope -- 
click 
> >here to  
> > 
> > > > chip in: 
> > > >  
> > > > _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl)  
> > > > 
> >  > > Sakineh's sentence is a farcical travesty of justice. She was  
sentenced to 
> >death 
> > 
> > > > by  stoning for allegedly having relations with other men -- years 
after her  
> > 
> > > > husband had passed away, despite stoning  having been outlawed in 
Iran, and 
> 
> > > > despite her  not being able to speak the language of her trial. Her 
two 
>  >children 
> > 
> > > > launched a campaign to save  her life, and generated a worldwide 
uproar, 
> > > > including  over 554,000 Avaaz members. Feeling the pressure, the 
Iranian 
> >  > > government revoked the stoning, but the execution sentence stands. 
 
> > > > 
> > > > Tension has been rising in  Iran since the Sakineh case gained 
attention -- 
> >the 
> >  
> > > > regime has threatened to arrest her children for  speaking out and 
has 
> >issued an 
> > 
> > >  > arrest warrant against Sakineh's lawyer. He has now gone into 
hiding and  
> >his 
> > 
> > > > family-members have  been rounded-up. 
> > > > 
> > > > But Lula and  Erdo&#287;an have great respect in Iran and can 
influence the 
>  
> > > > regime. And they listen to us. Lula had said that he  would not get 
involved 
> >in 
> > 
> > > >  this case. But after an aide brought his attention to the massive 
online  
> > > > campaign, he changed his mind, offering Sakineh asylum  and 
prompting 
> >Iranian 
> > 
> > > >  authorities to announce that the case would be quickly resolved. 
We know  
> >Lula 
> > 
> > > > listens to Avaaz  campaigns -- in the last year, despite powerful 
> >opposition,  
> > 
> > > > members in Brazil have helped persuade  Lula to sign off on a law 
to protect 
> >the 
> > 
>  > > > Amazon and a bold anti-corruption law. 
> > > >  
> > > > During the last two weeks, over 554,000 of us have  signed the 
petition to 
> >Save 
> > 
> > > >  Sakineh and end stoning in Iran. We only have days left to 
persuade Lula  
> >and 
> > 
> > > > Erdo&#287;an to act  -- and it may be our last chance to save 
Sakineh. Let's 
> >each  
> > 
> > > > pitch in a small amount and _make sure  they hear our call to 
leadership: 
> > > > 
> > >  > _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl) 
_ 
> > > > 
> >  > > Sakineh's case has outraged the entire world by the sheer scale of 
 its 
> >brutal, 
> > 
> > > > nonsensical  injustice. But in our fight for one woman we make a 
powerful 
> >  > > statement about women, and people, everywhere. In standing up for  
one 
> >person, we 
> > 
> > > > stand up for  everyone's right to justice. 
> > > > 
> > > >  Sakineh's children's have sent out a last plea: "Do not allow our 
nightmare  
> > 
> > > > become a reality, Today, when nearly all  options have reached 
dead-ends, we 
> > 
> > > >  resort to you. Please help our mother return home!" Click here to 
answer  
> >their 
> > 
> > > > call, and get  Erdo&#287;an and Lula to do the same: 
> > > > 
>  > > > _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl) 
_ 
> > > > 
> >  > > With hope and determination, 
> > > > 
> >  > > Alice, Pascal, Alice W, Ricken, David, and the Avaaz Team 
>  > > > 
> > > > SOURCES: 
> > > >  
> > > > The Guardian, "Iran stoning woman offered asylum by  Brazil's 
President 
> >Lula": 
> > 
> > > >  _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://www.avaaz.org/guardian_sakineh_article_ (http://www.avaaz.org/guardian_sakineh_article) _ " 
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