Theos-Talk Archives (August 2010 Message tt00057)

Cass, 
Well I don't think there has been an absence of notice over the centuries by Ashram's ,Temple Sect's, Shastra's, Sutra's , Yogin's Practicioner's or Instructive Source Documents as to not telling anyone that no one was expected to acheive 24/7 Samadhi. It is the opposite they for centuries has stated that that is an ideal but not reality that is an expectation. It is sufficient to have the "sudden" Illumination or samadhi of "Gnosis" to occur and transformation to be received by an individual even if for only 1 second. The event installs actually "Faith" of highest order (rather than the "simple faith" based upon belief) in the consciousness of a person and remains even in future lives of the sojourn. Experiencing "Home" abolishes "Ignorance" and restores the lost memory that Plato spoke of and longed for reception of. The Gnosis in this form is appreciated in many ways that produce guiding change in the aware actions of the person and cultivates a world view that is more ordered to true Unity. Whether named as Atma, Monad, Ray, Permanent Atom, Scintillation or some other label it is ultimately only the "Units of Awareness of the "Absolute" that are meant, and, they are the "projected extension" of the Unchanging Uncreate that has, by that means, participation and illusion of action and materiality, all of which is not "outside" but in the ONE. The Lila or Sport is not intended to possess Samadhi 24/7 else there would be no raison de autre to manifest a creation(s). Madame Blavatsky at length pointed , indicated, instructed and advised study of the Theosophy of the Ages and transformation of the lower mindedness into a higher mindedness. She pointed to the Yoga Sutra of Patanjali. She didn't quote chapter and verse of Non-dual teachings but she did use it's descriptive language and metaphysical ordering. 

I agree that most of the time in these present days there are thousands if not literally tens of thousands of modern enthusiasts of the old teaching who never point to the "Parents" of old in whom we are instructed today by the recovered Teachings, with more appearing each month it seems to me. Their efforts are largely money making as primary target and goal. And they dislike the rustic nomenclature and technical language which they replace at every chance they can. I don't have much appreciation myself in almost all cases I see, just like you. But, Nothing stops a Theosophist from at least devoting some effort to locate and read Madame Blavatsky's "Q" Sources she gives citation too throughout all her works in order that Theosophists may educate themselves to give light upon what she has not the room to publish. I think today there theosophists who try to provide this via Lodge Websites like Dublin and others and individuals like Katinka and Erica who do a lovely impressive job. And Daniel and others like Reigle who exhume the long receding tomes of Parents (Confucian, Mencius, and Old Testament (spite not thy Parents in their old age). We have much to learn from them that todays world never knew well enough to offer because of the ring of necessity of modern society. 

I don't think Krishnamurti violates the freedom of each Being upon the Stage of the Play of Life on Planet Earth as each of us as beings come with all that we are and ---- All that is about us. It is the play of consciousness and the expression of karma both in the Now and of the prior moment that in action unburdens and has expansion of the Being, who be hold the idea that they have senior cognizance to prevent this necessary expression normal to creation itself? All that is about us and all that takes place what is it? What is it's actually reality? Why is it here? How is it integrated to each of us? The play of forces ultimately are secondary as mere expression of the skanda's dynamics on many levels. So I don't have any intention to occupy a place on any fly paper that tacks me to it and inhibits me form forward impetus, fixation is not my idea of pleasure in the case of Krishnamurti or Leadbeater, or Annie Besant or others. What is ,is, and nothing reverses the record of time. Start, change, stop. That is what takes place, change should always be in the middle. We all have some kind of unpleasant reflection about something lol. 

John 




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From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@Od17i7OYTvYazF56KZxKyJWt7xzbwTiu4excintdYMaw54A-eoNN1eL2HZ69QwlmWQbpfYCV6qg2tw.yahoo.invalid> 
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Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2010 4:52:25 PM 
Subject: Re: theos-talk Elijah Crow â The Silence of the Mind 






What I think is that all of these people read and built on what others that 
preceded them had stated. That's fine, but what rails me is that they never 
give credit to others and make out it is their own original idea. 

Krishnamurti's advaita although in theory worked a charm but in reality, this 
freedom from the known, is unable to be maintained on a 24/7 basis, unless one 
sits under a buddhi tree and totally shuts out the world we live in, until one 
totally learns to stop thinking To view every experience as a 'new' experience, 
relies on memory being pushed back or ignored, which in itself causes a mental 
dilemma of conscience (for me, at least). At least Gurdgieff, stated that these 
'forays into the "now" could only be maintained on a temporary basis, by 
temporarily focusing consciousness on the "Not I" rather than a split between 
the "I" and the "NOT I" consciousness. 

Cass 

Cass 

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>From: M. Sufilight < global-theosophy@fXscDK4bUUidh4nRKydmDLTBc0nTAf0nw1aZUFQ8iOVr2T6HCxvVPJgQ0mSIg0ajqWR-z_ZsaRPTyD9edI1ilzOeBvCa_A.yahoo.invalid > 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Fri, 6 August, 2010 5:18:34 AM 
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Elijah Crow â The Silence of the Mind 
> 
> 
>Dear friends 
> 
>My views are: 
> 
>I wonder whether Krishnamurti would have forwarded his teachings in the samer 
>manner if had read the following books: 
> 
>William Sargant: Battle For The Mind" (published 1957!), Robert Lifton: "Thought 
>Reform and the Psychology of Totalism" (published 1961!), or even the later 
>books like Steve Hassan's: Combatting cult mind control (1988), Margaret 
>Singer's: Cults in Our Midst (1996) and similar books, which now are debated 
>heavily in many corners of the globe??? 
> 
>I think he woul have realised, that his teachings lacked something. 
>What do John and MKR and other readers think about this? 
> 
>___ 
> 
>Maybe reading the books first will give better answer. 
>And if only few or none know about such teachings, how can they forward 
>themselves in our present time, at promoters of theosophical teachings? 
> 
>And what about the Alice A. Bailey teachers, implemented such a teaching in 
>their schools? 
>And the other groups like I AM Joshua Stone or Harmonic Convergence Groups? 
>Or so-called DISCLOSURE groups within the UFO arena? 
> 
>Oh dear oh dear...I wonder what will be next on the New Age agenda with its many 
>distorted versions of wisdom teachings...? 
> 
>But maybe I have overlooked something. 
> 
>___________ 
> 
>To John: 
>The recent discovery of the tunnel in Peru, have now reached the medias in 
>Denmark. 
>I just heard that they have discovered about 60.000 very interesting artifacts 
>at the site, where they are digging their way through towards what they think is 
>a burial chamber of an ancient King - estimated to be dead about year 2000 BC 
>according to ordinary science. They estimate officially that it will take a few 
>month before they reach to actual tomb. 
> 
>M. Sufilight 
> 
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>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:22 PM 
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Elijah Crow â The Silence of the Mind 
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>Hmmm, 
>After reading Blavatsky and all, how can Theosophists be ignorant of the Void? 
>The Tibetans Kunje Nonparshespa original primordial clear void/empty 
>Mind/Consciousness. And almost all the Tibetan Sects teach the void. The 
>Mahayana Void or Empty mind. The Vedanta Adwaita. The Krama Kashmiri Advaita. 
>The Tao Te Ching - Way of the Dao, The Korean and Japanese Zen all have the 
>Void. The Heart Sutra has the Void. And Krishnamurti also spoke of the Non-dual 
>Paradigm in his orations even if he would not name historical Parents of it. The 
>Yoga Sutra teaches arrival to Queisence of Mind which reveals the Void of 
>Primordial Self-nature.The Sufi also taught of the original Void, It is the 
>Primary Metaphysical Cognition and is sometimes called Home. Find out "Who" you 
>really are. Find out "Where" you really are. Lila is the illusion of the filling 
>of the Void of original Self Beingness. This Doctrine of the Void is Primordial 
>because it is the projection of Truth from Truth to Truth when Truth is cloaked 
>during the Projection's of Lila. 
> 
> 
>Just my personal view. 
> 
>John 
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>Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2010 10:06:55 AM 
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Elijah Crow â The Silence of the Mind 
> 
>It looks a bit like Eckhat Tolle's: "The Power of Now". 
> 
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>From: MKR 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 2:28 PM 
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Elijah Crow â The Silence of the Mind 
> 
>I found the following quote from Krishnamurti. Yet to locate where it was 
>made. 
> 
>"Reality is the interval between two thoughts" 
> 
>Looks like two people coming up with the same statement, independently. 
> 
>MKR 
> 
>On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:10 PM, MKR < mkr777@AMQwnvpMFpR_eb2PgjYDGb04kLDOw9lhvH6Q_vMM3axRV6ZDo9UWWNf63-vgkpJGXG-UQiGeVFvlxA.yahoo.invalid > wrote: 
> 
>> The 'void' he is talking about seems to be same as what Jiddu Krishnamurti 
>> has been discussing. May be some others would jump in and share their 
>> observations. 
>> 
>> By the way, in what language did Crow write his book? 
>> 
>> MKR 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Witnessing Presence < 
>> witnessing_presence@5jfu89yHMQ0OpNhIGjYBTlxmx-fGc-SD_DnlxQDGu_DqtO-BgMrpYeUiLrcf9_buYdsHxW__LSI6laVit5wIRMW_9AY.yahoo.invalid > wrote: 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would like to share an unknown enlightened mystic - Elijah Crow â The 
>>> Silence of The Mind, have just finished translating his book 
>>> 
>>> Elijah Crow does not belong to any nonduality lineage or tradition, his is 
>>> a personal expression and experience of nonduality. 
>>> 
>>> Read the whole book here 
>>> 
>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/34607176/Elijah-Crow-The-Silence-of-the-Mind 
>>> 
>>> The Power of Emptiness 
>>> 
>>> The "void" or " psychological emptiness" is a strange 
>>> phenomenon, 
>>> It appears spontaneously, in the pause between two 
>>> thoughts, 
>>> As the old thought ends its course and disappears, 
>>> Its end is the gate, natural silence ensues. 
>>> 
>>> Insist in being with it, as much as you can, 
>>> The mind is completely silent, we are attentive â a clear 
>>> consciousness, 
>>> All meanings, boundaries disappear â us and the Infinite 
>>> are "One"; 
>>> Practically, we have a new mind â always fresh. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Being in the pause â I become infinite! 
>>> It separates two worlds. I leave the limited world 
>>> And enter Boundlessness, through total melting; 
>>> The whole being is calm â a constant sparkle. 
>>> 
>>> There is no time, no space â just everlasting Eternity; 
>>> I move in direct contact with life, in a permanent present. 
>>> I am Pure Energy, without motivations, 
>>> The simplicity of existence integrates us completely. 
>>> 
>>> We really encounter Life only through this "now", 
>>> Free from the old, we are able to embrace the new. 
>>> All this beauty vanishes, when another thought appears, 
>>> It comes from the knowing mind â an old recording. 
>>> 
>>> Let it play its game, do not oppose any resistance, 
>>> Encounter it as it is, without any purpose, 
>>> It will certainly disappear, and "emptiness" ensues again, 
>>> Another opportunity to encounter it practically. 
>>> 
>>> We find the real meaning of Life through this "void", 
>>> It is a boundary line between the two worlds: 
>>> On the one side the limited, where the "ego" is the 
>>> master. 
>>> On the other, the Infinite, where Love is the master. 
>>> 
>>> Emptiness also separates Light from the darkness, 
>>> The permanent chaos through struggle, contradictions and 
>>> conflicts, 
>>> From the harmonious being, equilibrium and joy; 
>>> The whole egocentrism perishes, by encountering the 
>>> void. 
>>> 
>>> Peace, divine order becomes our nature 
>>> It changes our way of being, without effort or will, 
>>> Only through this psychological void, we become honest 
>>> and humane, 
>>> The Purity of the Energy â makes titans out of pigmies . 
>>> 
>>> Let this "psychological emptiness" be your guide, 
>>> In everything you encounter on your spiritual path. 
>>> If it is not the starting point, we easily get deceived, 
>>> Only through emptiness â we become Love! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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