Theos-Talk Archives (July 2010 Message tt00116)

Thanks for the msg.

When I find some time, I will try to share my views on some of the items you
mentioned.

MKR


On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:29 PM, <schuller@alpheus.org> wrote:

>
>
> Dear Katinka and MKR,
>
> Katinka, before people get a wrong impression, I have to state that I have
> never been censored on this forum. I'm free to post and I assume my
> contributions are still in the archive.
>
> MKR, your position on independence can be read as an a priori
> disqualification of people who have derived a material compensation from
> an organization and those who are in leadership positions doling out the
> compensations. It also gives undue weight to those who are materially
> independent from the TS like yourself. I think that's a prejudice and not
> helpful if you want to make this group more hospitable to any and all
> Theosophists, especially its leadership.
>
> Most Adyar Theosophists stay away here because they experience this group
> as badly managed, even toxic, though many might lurk to catch tid-bits of
> news, leaks, facts and gossip, which might not be available anywhere else.
>
> I do appreciate your insistence on organizational transparency and better
> use of technology for communication.
>
> Best
>
> Govert
>
>
> > Hi MKR,
> >
> > That's great to hear, but not really what people are concerned about I
> > think.
> >
> > Let's go back a bit. At the Theosophical World Congress, and through
> email
> > in the days after it, several people expressed their concern to me that
> > your management of theos-talk was not impartial. That is: you have
> > sensored people who had perfectly decent contributions to make (Preetthi
> > and Govert and perhaps more) and seemed informed extraordinarily quickly
> > of any movement on the part of Radha/Pedro etc.
> >
> > Hearing that, and thinking that Eldon was still ultimately in charge of
> > this list, I asked him to use his authority to get the list back on
> track,
> > or close it. Whichever he preferred. He probably contacted you - and the
> > below is your response.
> >
> > Personally I don't give a darn whether you make money on theosophy or
> not.
> > Obviously it is easier to be critical for those who aren't in the employ
> > of the TS, but that doesn't mean that those who aren't - are necessarily
> > impartial. They're just financially independent of the TS - which is the
> > situation for most of us here.
> >
> > For me, and several of my correspondents - the question is: why has
> > theos-talk stopped being the open forum it used to be?
> >
> > And more specifically: how come you use several email addresses to post
> on
> > here? What are you trying to hide? In fact, the speculation has come up
> > that MKR hides several people on several continents.
> >
> > Now I'm all for freedom and would have preferred for
> theosophical.ning.com
> > to stay open for everybody and the search engines. Glad some of us set up
> > theosophy.net last year: it IS open (just checked).
> >
> > However, I'm also all for accountability. The internet gives us all the
> > opportunity to hide behind screen names and loose all fairness in the
> > process. No need to be polite or just when nobody knows who you are.
> >
> > Now - in case this gets censored - I will be saving the text of this on
> my
> > pc. I don't really want to post it elsewhere, but I do think the below
> has
> > made a response necessary.
> >
> > I will also be deleting any links to theos-talk on my own sites BTW as it
> > doesn't seem like this forum serves any purpose to the theosophical
> > movement any more.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Katinka Hesselink
> >
> > Disclosure: The Dutch TS paid me for their recent redesign, so I guess
> I'm
> > not independent by your definition. That hasn't stopped me from speaking
> > out where I see fit though.
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> All organized entities such as governments, business corporations,
> >> spiritual
> >> organizations, and even individual leaders and politicians are always on
> >> the
> >> look out for opportunities to influence the individuals such as
> >> membership
> >> and even media people to either keep them in line or influence them to
> >> act
> >> or write in ways supporting the activities and action of the
> >> organizations
> >> and its leaders or even act as catÃââs paws to handle touchy issues.
> >> Many
> >> times, clever individuals and leaders will stay back in the background
> >> and
> >> let others do their dirty work.
> >>
> >> In organizations, range of techniques used may be outright giving money
> >> grants, reimbursing the travel expenses, offer platforms to lecture or
> >> write
> >> or even help them to move up in the leadership ladder. In theosophical
> >> circles, due to the common membership in other officially unconnected
> >> organizations, the fear of paying a price will keep writers and
> >> lecturers in
> >> line with official wishes.
> >>
> >> The reason why I bring this up is because it is necessary to clarify my
> >> personal position in all activities and writings related to theosophical
> >> and
> >> other issues. Firstly, as I have mentioned several times before, I
> >> maintain
> >> my independence because of several reasons. I am not looking forward to
> >> hold
> >> any elected office in future and I have an independent lively hood which
> >> does not depend on TS or any of its members. Also in the past I have
> >> never
> >> received any manner of financial support from TS or any of its members.
> >>
> >> I am reiterating the above so that the newbees are very clear as to
> >> where I
> >> come from and the independence gives some credibility to what I write on
> >> this and other theosophical forums. In todayÃââs Internet environment,
> >> transparent and open clarification of the independence issue is good for
> >> anyone in the cyberspace - writers, participants, website owners,
> >> website
> >> operators etc. I hope the above clarification helps.
> >>
> >>
> >> MKR
> >>
> >> There is No Religion Higher Than Truth
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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