Theos-Talk Archives (July 2010 Message tt00114)

I am glad that you have been closely following the list since 2002 and
thanks for your comments.

MKR

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Erica L. Georgiades
<eletzerich@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> As a member of theos-talk since 2002, I do remember that Eldon censored
> some
> people. It seems that he applied this policy basically when people were
> getting
> too personal in their e-mails. I remembered for sure that Eldon censored or
>
> removed completely from the forum at least three persons. But the cases
> were
> quite extreme.
>
> Either way it seems that most members of the forum, are now focused on
> face-book
> and other forums, where they can exchange pictures, videos etc. Eldon
> predicted
> it in a post. If I recall well he said that Theos-talk eventually would
> have
> less activities. This has nothing to do with you being the moderator of the
>
> list, but with a natural change which is happening.
>
> Either way I will remain as member of theos-talk as I have been for many
> years.
> And I am sure you and Eldon will find a solution for the kind of problem
> expressed by Katinka.
>
>
> Erica
>
> ________________________________
> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, July 28, 2010 3:57:31 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Comments on Independence etc
>
> Your response is well appreciated. Let me add a few short comments.
>
> Many in the theosophical circles know my name and that I live in San
> Antonio, Texas. Everyone knows that for my postings I use the email address
> - MKR777_at_GMAIL.COM. I know of no other theosophist with my name
> Ramadoss.
>
> When the message is sent from gmail it will show my name as MKR. When I use
> the yahoo web interface to post a message, the email address is still
> MKR777_at_GMAIL.COM whereas my yahoo name [ramadoss226] shows .
>
> I sign my messages as MKR or Ramadoss. Long time ago, I used my real nick
> name -Doss- and I no longer use it on msgs posted here and elsewhere to
> avoid confusion between my name and that of another well known and well
> respected theosophist who lives in my city and whose name is Doss.
>
> As for the list and fairness of its management, I leave it to the
> subscribers to judge. As is always the case, not everyone will agree with
> every decision one takes in life.
>
> By the way the response you quoted on your contact with Eldon was his and
> not mine. I hope it was a typo.
>
> MKR
>
> There is no religion higher than truth
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Spirituality <mail@katinkahesselink.net<mail%40katinkahesselink.net>
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi MKR,
> >
> > That's great to hear, but not really what people are concerned about I
> > think.
> >
> > Let's go back a bit. At the Theosophical World Congress, and through
> email
> > in the days after it, several people expressed their concern to me that
> your
> > management of theos-talk was not impartial. That is: you have sensored
> > people who had perfectly decent contributions to make (Preetthi and
> Govert
> > and perhaps more) and seemed informed extraordinarily quickly of any
> > movement on the part of Radha/Pedro etc.
> >
> > Hearing that, and thinking that Eldon was still ultimately in charge of
> > this list, I asked him to use his authority to get the list back on
> track,
> > or close it. Whichever he preferred. He probably contacted you - and the
> > below is your response.
> >
> > Personally I don't give a darn whether you make money on theosophy or
> not.
> > Obviously it is easier to be critical for those who aren't in the employ
> of
> > the TS, but that doesn't mean that those who aren't - are necessarily
> > impartial. They're just financially independent of the TS - which is the
> > situation for most of us here.
> >
> > For me, and several of my correspondents - the question is: why has
> > theos-talk stopped being the open forum it used to be?
> >
> > And more specifically: how come you use several email addresses to post
> on
> > here? What are you trying to hide? In fact, the speculation has come up
> that
> > MKR hides several people on several continents.
> >
> > Now I'm all for freedom and would have preferred for
> theosophical.ning.comto
> >stay open for everybody and the search engines. Glad some of us set up
> > theosophy.net last year: it IS open (just checked).
> >
> > However, I'm also all for accountability. The internet gives us all the
> > opportunity to hide behind screen names and loose all fairness in the
> > process. No need to be polite or just when nobody knows who you are.
> >
> > Now - in case this gets censored - I will be saving the text of this on
> my
> > pc. I don't really want to post it elsewhere, but I do think the below
> has
> > made a response necessary.
> >
> > I will also be deleting any links to theos-talk on my own sites BTW as it
> > doesn't seem like this forum serves any purpose to the theosophical
> movement
> > any more.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Katinka Hesselink
> >
> > Disclosure: The Dutch TS paid me for their recent redesign, so I guess
> I'm
> > not independent by your definition. That hasn't stopped me from speaking
> out
> > where I see fit though.
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > <mkr777@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > All organized entities such as governments, business corporations,
> > spiritual
> > > organizations, and even individual leaders and politicians are always
> on
> > the
> > > look out for opportunities to influence the individuals such as
> > membership
> > > and even media people to either keep them in line or influence them to
> > act
> > > or write in ways supporting the activities and action of the
> > organizations
> > > and its leaders or even act as catÃââs paws to handle touchy issues.
> Many
> > > times, clever individuals and leaders will stay back in the background
> > and
> > > let others do their dirty work.
> > >
> > > In organizations, range of techniques used may be outright giving money
> > > grants, reimbursing the travel expenses, offer platforms to lecture or
> > write
> > > or even help them to move up in the leadership ladder. In theosophical
> > > circles, due to the common membership in other officially unconnected
> > > organizations, the fear of paying a price will keep writers and
> lecturers
> > in
> > > line with official wishes.
> > >
> > > The reason why I bring this up is because it is necessary to clarify my
> > > personal position in all activities and writings related to
> theosophical
> > and
> > > other issues. Firstly, as I have mentioned several times before, I
> > maintain
> > > my independence because of several reasons. I am not looking forward to
> > hold
> > > any elected office in future and I have an independent lively hood
> which
> > > does not depend on TS or any of its members. Also in the past I have
> > never
> > > received any manner of financial support from TS or any of its members.
> > >
> > > I am reiterating the above so that the newbees are very clear as to
> where
> > I
> > > come from and the independence gives some credibility to what I write
> on
> > > this and other theosophical forums. In todayÃââs Internet environment,
> > > transparent and open clarification of the independence issue is good
> for
> > > anyone in the cyberspace - writers, participants, website owners,
> website
> > > operators etc. I hope the above clarification helps.
> > >
> > >
> > > MKR
> > >
> > > There is No Religion Higher Than Truth
> > >
> > >
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