Theos-Talk Archives (March 2010 Message tt00038)

In this Internet age, TSA Board should have anticipated members wanting to
know the reasons behind their decision to withdraw the charter of Orlando
lodge. This is not a simple routine matter since we are dealing with a lodge
which has been operating for 75 years and have their own real estate, and
withdrawal is an extremely rare occurrence world-wide.

If strong reasons are there, which I hope there are, it should be very easy
to lay them out in very simple language such as being used in At the Feet of
the Master so that even less educated members can understand very easily.
Truth will always triumph and no one need be afraid of Truth.

Once members are convinced of the reasonableness of the grounds for the
withdrawal of the charter, it will only enhance the standing of the TSA
Board. On the other hand, if no convincing information is forthcoming, this
is going to hurt the standing of TSA and its Board in the minds of
membership who will be wondering what is going on.

Also this action is going to be a stumbling block in moving theosophy
forward at a time when we badly need to grow the membership since actions
speak louder than nicely written words. With Internet everyone is informed
of what is going on.

Another interesting fact is that all the vociferous âtheosophicalâ writers
in Internet forums who hide behind pseudonyms and are so much concerned
about âwho is mowing the lawn at Adyarâ are inexplicably silent.

Withdrawal of charter of a 75 year old lodge is a very serious matter than
âwho is mowing the lawn at Adyarâ. I expected them to jump at this serious
issue with the same passion and vigor with which they were writing about
âwho is mowing the lawn at Adyar.â I leave it to the reader to draw their
own conclusion about why these vociferous writers are silent.

I am sure TSA is monitoring this forum and it is my hope that TSA Board
quickly explain the reasons for their decision and convince members of the
reasonableness of their decision so that theosophy can move forward in the
USA.

MKR


On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:35 AM, Duane Carpenter <
monad_monad_monad@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Dear fellow Theosophists
> I have personally talked with William Delahunt and can verify his sincerity
> and integrity in this controversy over the loss of assets and the Orlando
> charter. I have also perused all of their programs past and present and do
> not see anything that could vaguely be misconstrued as compromising or in
> conflict with good solid Theosophical principals. Compared to the many
> lodges I have visited over the years their work would definitely fall into
> the more conservative end of things and clearly keeping with the original
> guidelines of their Theosophical charter.
>     Since National refuses to involve themselves in any type of explanation
> one can only assume the worst.  If you do not argue your case openly and
> with important documentation you loose by default. TS National  may be able
> to score a financial victory here but they will loose the moral one that is
> the most important in the long term. I have offered my assistance to the
> Orlando lodge since I have been down this road before.
>     National for all of there previous  good work in the past  in my
> opinion are on the down side of there effectiveness and will continue with
> their decline slowly sliding into a type of moral and spiritual recession.
> There strongest work may be in disseminating the books and basic
> Theosophical information. They are clearly loosing there spiritual
> authority. Many think the power of Theosophy is situated at there
> headquarters but times are  changing and the major influence of Theosophy is
> shifting away from large organizational institutions and into a more
> organic ground roots  influence facilitated by the web and the high speed
> information highway. They have played there part historically but it may be
> the responsibility of people like ourselves to take these teachings to a
> wider audience.
>     When the Theosophical Charter was revoked from the Boston lodge. We
> went through several stages. First disbelief, then outright shock, anger and
> a sense of betrayal, then a search for some practical solution and finally
> a  soul search of what is true Theosophy. Our basic conclusion after the
> legal action was resolved was that Theosophy in essence resides in men's
> minds and hearts and not some overly bureaucratic institution. Adversity may
> in the final analysis only stimulate true Theosophists  into some new type
> of activity and interests. The suggestions that Theos-talk and other sites
> of this quality be open to new experiments and ways of communicating is in
> my opinion how Theosophy can take some new and diverse avenues of expression
> for the benefit of all. Here on the broad plane of the Internet we are all
> equal and all have a chance to share our views  without some bureaucratic
> oversight or guidelines. Freedom and democracy may be just
> vague ideals to some or they may be alive and well demanding  and new and
> more creative forms of expression.
>
> Sincerely Duane Carpenter
>
> ________________________________
> From: t_s_theosophist <THEOSOPHIST@webtv.net <THEOSOPHIST%40webtv.net>>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 1:36:30 AM
> Subject: Theos-World LETS CLARIFY THINGS KATINKA
>
>
>
>
> LETS CLARIFY THINGS KATINKA
>
> KATINKA STATES:
>
> The Orlando lodge has been in a quarrel with the USA section of the TS
> Adyar for years now.
>
> OUR RESPONSE:
>
> The Orlando Lodge has NOT been in a quarrel with the USA Section for years.
> We have quietly carried on a program of Quality Theosophical programs. We
> HAVE been Highly critical of Mrs. Blands deceptive
> electioneering tactics in the past Presidential election.
>
> KATINKA STATES:
>
> They are representing this as a surprise, but they contacted me a few years
> ago - and I contacted Betty back then. I don't remember the details, but I
> do remember that their story made much less sense than Betty's. The fact
> that
> they're playing as though this is a surprise is an indication that they're
> not being precisely fair and open.
>
> OUR RESPONSE:
>
> You can't remember Katinka, because we have NEVER contacted you. That is an
> outright LIE.At the time of the presidential election we posted a comment on
> your election website that is all. We have nothing to hide. The fact is that
> the TSA Board of Directors did NOT contact ANY of us. There was NO interview
> with our membership nor did they visit us. We have NOT violated ANY
> policies or T.S. Rules.
>
> KATINKA STATES:
>
> I agree this kind of thing is sad. I'm sure Betty herself would agree to
> that as well. But I also know that the Orlando lodge had their chance and a
> LOT of time to clean things up. Apparently they didn't.
> It's the sad job of the national section to get rid of lodges like that.
>
> OUR RESPONSE:
>
> You are basing your assumptions on the premise that there was "something to
> clean up" There was NOTHING to "clean up" and we had NO
> prior warnings or knowledge of anything amiss. Your innuendos with comments
> like these are just the thing that starts the gossip and rumor mills.
>
> KATINKA STATES:
>
> BTW - even if I remembered the details, or bothered to look them up, I
> still don't think anything would be served by publishing them here. The only
> result would be for the members of that lodge to feel offended at being
> outed publicly.
> It would take a private online forum for that kind of openness to be fair
> to all involved.
>
> OUR RESPONSE:
>
> We Challenge you Katinka to go ahead and "Look up your forgotten details."
> Because you don't have any from us. Lets see what you can fabricate.
>
> We are offended by the innuendos that you are promoting. We have NO
> fear of "Being oouted" for anything
> because we have NOTHING to be ashamed of. IF you want to make public
> statements about us however
> you had better have solid evidence and documentation. We Challenge YOu
> Katinka. The National Board of Directors of TSA. has NO documentation of
> fabricated allegations against us.
>
> Katinka we are surprised by your unbrotherly comments and innuendos
> you have judged us guilty without knowing anything factual.
>
> Fraternally;
>
> William Delahunt;
> Secretary,
> Orlando Lodge
> Theosophist@ webtv.net
> http://www.tso-orlando.org
>
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