Theos-Talk Archives (February 2010 Message tt00273)

Dear MKR

Maybe we have covered this issue about Radha Burnier before. It is a bit hard to me to keep track with all the e-mails exchanged on the issue.

A few questions:
I will how ever ask whether Miss Elvira Carbonell and Betty Bland and their friends ever have sought to document their very personal accusations while using other members testimony, especially members from India? If not, why not? It seems, that their accusations were not just taking out of thin air - or were they? If so, would they as theosophist not have been perfectly aware of, that their attempt would fall to pieces and only as a endresult uplift Radha Burnier to an even higher elevated status of respect among the Hindu members or non-members?

Any answer to these questions without any documentation cannot be considered to be very helpful.
Yet if more than say 20 Hindu members are able to give a testimony in opposition to Dr. Susan Zagar's views it might be worth while to consider the validity the realities.

It is the duty of any member to defend the truth and not the duty to cloud the truth.
There is no Religion Higher than Truth.

- - -
My own stance is:
I am no Hindu, but I find it fair to say that officially calling Annie Besant's teaching a great theosophizing of the politics in India - is certainly not healthy to anyone on this planet! She did as far as documentation goes not give a great lead in urging the members to theosophize politics - she instead promoted politics! - And it is in clear opposition to the Original Programe of the TS and the Object of a Universal Brotherhood of Humanity!

A to me most important question:
If you disagree on the above, please let me and others know why?


The TS Adyar website says today:
"With Mrs. Besant a new era began. She gave a great lead in making Theosophy practical, urging members to theosophize the various fields: religious, social, economic, political. "
http://www.ts-adyar.org/history.html

The Christian Shrine of the TS - Malechauvanistic Rites on Adyar compound until year 2004 or even later:
"Church of St Michael and All Angels - This is an attractive, well-appointed church where services according to the rites of the Liberal Catholic Church are held on Sunday mornings and other important days. Members visiting Adyar for the Convention like to attend the beautiful and inspiring service held on Christmas Eve, followed by the Holy Eucharist on Christmas Day."
http://www.ts-adyar.org/headquarters.html




M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk 
  Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 3:10 AM
  Subject: Theos-World New Information re: Radha Burnierâs health in Dec 2007


    
  New Information re: Radha Burnierâs health in Dec 2007

  Finally hold hold of the minutes of the GC meetings in 2005 to 2007 to
  inform myself of the decisions taken. As I expected, I was in for a great
  surprise, because the GC members are keeping their mouths shut and also the
  minutes are not easy to find. I do not know how many of the members have
  seen any of the minutes.

  One of the interesting statements in the minutes of meeting held on December
  25, 2007 was:

  âMiss Elvira Carbonell, who works in the Secretaryâs Office, had sent a
  letter to some members of the General Council on behalf of âseveral of us at
  Adyar who feel the need to write to members of the General Council.â She
  states that it would be preferable if the President, due to her state of
  health, did not stand for election again, and that they are in favor of the
  Vice President.â

  This is the first overt inkling of using Presidentâs health as the key
  reason for dissuading her from standing for election and an attempt to
  influence the GC council members from not nominating her, even before she
  had indicated whether she is going be a candidate or not. Without sufficient
  nominations, one cannot be candidate, and that would end the matter.

  As far as I know, Elvira is a not a high level employee or officer in the
  Secretaryâs office. Due to her working in the International Secretaryâs
  office, she must have been privy to a lot of highly confidential and
  sensitive information because all official correspondence passes through the
  office of the Secretary.

  Since the letter was sent even before the nominations were called for, it
  points to (1) she was most likely being used by others, even possibly by
  some of the International Officers and others in key positions in Adyar who
  did not want Radha Burnier to be reelected, and (2) the distinct possibility
  of a well orchestrated effort by some of the leaders and elected Officers to
  induce members to believe Radha Burnier to be sick and hence should not be
  elected.

  It is also likely that the planning for the electioneering may have been
  going on for some time and possibly starting with the changes made in the
  2006 GC meeting where the rules were changed to add nominators names to the
  ballots (to influence the uninformed rookie members.)

  The minutes of the 2006 meeting does not disclose the reasons why after more
  than a century, suddenly the GC found it necessary to make the change and
  who was the real force behind the change. Adding nominators to ballot is a
  well proven trick found effective in the USA, the past leaders and elders
  trying to influence the rookie members in a subtle manner.

  The above also raises the possibility, even as early as 2006, some of the
  Officers and staff making use of the official resources of the offices in
  canvassing the support of GC members not to nominate and reelect Radha
  Burnier.

  Furthermore, we also do not know whether any of the Officers traveled to
  various sections in the World for canvassing purposes using TS funds under
  the guise they are visiting for lecturing purposes.

  The minutes of 2007 meeting also states:

  âThe President (Radha Burnier) stated that she intended to stand for
  re-election, as she is now in good health. Dr. Dusan Zagar, who was present,
  when asked what he thought, declared that the President was now in good
  health.â

  The above declaration of Dr. Zagar (a Physician) in December 2007 is a new
  piece of information that most members were not aware of. The significance
  of the above is discussed below.

  The theosophists in the USA and some of the other parts of the world were
  told of the alleged poor health of Radha Burnier, when they received letters
  from their General Secretaries of Sections urging members not to vote for
  Radha Burnier due to her poor health. The initial reaction of most ordinary
  members was sadness and surprise. The allegation of the General Secretaries
  was based simply on lay men/womenâs opinions on the health of Radha Burnier.
  Some time later, two additional independent Physicians certified her fit and
  even Dr. Zagar issued a certificate to this effect.

  The first object of TS is Brotherhood. Members expect to be treated a
  brothers and sisters in all matters especially in very important matters
  such as election. The motto of TS is - There is no Religion higher than
  Truth. Members also expect to be truthful to each other.

  When someone is a theosophical leader, who has been a long time member of
  TS, perhaps reached highest levels in the ES/ER etc. and holding the
  highest degrees in Co-Masonry, and who has been lecturing for years on the
  theosophical classics, members have high expectations.

  The 2007 GC meeting was attended, among others, by John Algeo (who was the
  opposing candidate in 2008 election), Nano Leguay, Betty Bland, and Kim
  Dieu.

  In the communication to members from Bland trying to get Algeo elected,
  while emphasizing the poor health of Radha Burnier, did not disclose to the
  members Dr. Zagar's statement that the President was now in good health.
  Bland was present at the GC meeting and was a witness to Dr. Zagarâs
  statement and withholding this information from the members cannot be
  justified under any circumstances. Nor we have heard any comment from the
  opposing candidate to set facts right when incomplete and incorrect
  information was being fed to the members just to influence their votes.

  What is more shocking for ordinary members is that even after three well
  known physicians independently certifying to the good health of President,
  none of the GC members who told their members that she is sick did not take
  trouble to inform their members about the physiciansâ certification.
  Theosophists expect their brothers and sisters to be even handed and fair
  when dealing with important matters. Which was not done in this case.

  Members world-wide still do not know all the facts that went on behind the
  scenes in the nomination and electioneering. When future historians write
  about them. I will not be surprised if they will be better than a mystery
  novel.

  MKR

  There is no religion higher than truth

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