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Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its original lines!

Feb 17, 2010 10:04 AM
by Augoeides-222
Chuck, 
A long time ago I worked up at "Climax Pass" at Climax Molybdenum, a mine that was 11,318 feet up in the Rocky Mountains. I lived there 24/7. The air was thin and in the winter there were "Man Tunnels" Made of metal that were covered by feet of snow, like over 12 feet! It wasn't very warm either lol!!! 

John 





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From: Drpsionic@aol.com 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:24:56 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its original lines! 






My mind sees mountains and runs the other way. 

Chuck the Heretic 

_www.charlescosimano.com 

In a message dated 2/16/2010 11:44:52 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
global-theosophy@stofanet.dk writes: 

:-) 
The Himalayan Lodge is living near you, very near. 
The distance to it is only in your mind. 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:40 PM 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 

No, I would never go near the Himalayan Lodge. I hate mountains. Now, if 
they moved to someplace more comfortable, like the Cayman Islands, I might 
think about it. 

Chuck the Heretic 

_www.charlescosiman_www.c 

In a message dated 2/15/2010 10:59:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
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I can tell you are an American and not from the Himalayan Lodge. 
Facts are facts. 
:-) 

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Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:58 PM 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 

But they weren't. They were just much more energetic. 

Chuck the Heretic 

_www.charlescosiman_www.charl 

In a message dated 2/14/2010 10:53:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
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I like that you admit that they were more intelligent than you are. 
:-) 

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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:21 PM 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 

I'm saying that they were people of their time, as we all are. 

Chuck the Heretic 

_www.charlescosiman_www.charl 

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So you are saying that they were unintelligent when they created the 
Theosophical Society and that they did not apply it to time, place, people 
and 
circumstances? Or was it rather a compromise dut to the circumstance, the 
time, place and people? 

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Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:39 PM 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 

Actually the reason the TS began as a semi-secret masonic-type thing is 
that in HPB's day they were really into semi-secret masonic type things. 
It 
is as simple as that. 

Chuck the Heretic 

_www.charlescosiman_www.c 

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Dear Cass 

My views are: 

try to read the links in my previous mail carefully, and you will find 
out, that H. P. Blavatsky says she allowed people to become members, when 
they 
were honest at the moment they filed for membership and that she allowed 
herself to ignore the fact that they perhaps or probably would change 
their 
heart after a short while. And for this she had to pay karmically. 
Therefore she changed the allowance of members arriving in the Esoteric 
Section, so 
that the vulgar were not allowed to become a member. (Try here and read 
past page 585: 

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I would rather say that the theosophical teachings operate in accordance 
with time, place, people, teaching, teacher and circumstances. No one can 
force people to do what they do not want. As they say: You can tak a mule 
to 
the water, but you cannot force it to drink. Therefore the break-away as 
you mentioned and not merely because they were thinking by themselves. 
Because people most often do that. 
And that was why the Theosophical Society at first began as a semi-secret 
masonic-like body, and also because of the fact that at that time such a 
body was much more able in turning into something useful. The Objects were 
put under pressure in the beginning of the 1880-ties, when certain persons 
sought to promote some political theosophical Constitution and Rules in 
their 
branches. Slowly through the years the Constitution and Rules began to 
deviate from the Original lines. And Olcott and other leaders of the TS 
fell 
and deviated from the Original Lines, especially in 1884 according to H. 
P. 
Blavatsky in Blavatsky's Collected Writings and her letters. H. P. 
Blavatsky created the Esoteric Section in 1888 as a respones to this 
problem, even 
when we know that there were a higher Inner group beyond this probationary 
one, because several Chelas are mentrioned in Blavatsky's Collected 
Writings (Here they and a few others are: Damodar K. Mavalankar, H. S. 
Olcott, W. 
Q. Judge, Mohini Chatterjee, Djual Kool, Subba T. Row, Gargya Deva, S. 
Ramaswamier, Darbhagiri Nath, and more). It was done - as a protest and a 
call 
for compassion, and the promotion of a Universal Brotherhood - in 1888 so 
to turn the Theosophical Society back to the Original lines according to 
Blavatsky's own words which I have alrady quoted for you. 

So I would rather say that some of the students, those who were too 
vulgar, were allowed in the beginning through H. P. Blavatsky's fault and 
her 
wish of collecting a certain _am_ou_nt of membe_rs. And some of them fell_ 
on 
the 
Path, when tested. And people get tested on the probationary Path. After 
the change were only non-vulgar members were allowed, we even there find 
that 
some of them fell after a while. The Path towards liberation and Moksha is 
not without trials and problems. There is nothing new in this. Through the 
centuries many have tried and fallen, and only few succeded. They were 
those who were ready to succeed. The Law of Karma is strict, it never 
fails 
and never allow it self to be mocked. - H. P. Blavatsky died only a few 
years 
after the formation of the Esoteric Section. But she almost predicted her 
own death in the Esoteric Section papers. (Try: Blavatsky Collected 
Writings Volume 12 Page 491-492) 

But these are just my views, which at least are supported by H. P. 
Blavatsky in her own papers from the time. 

M. Sufilight 

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Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 

Morten, 
Look what happened - those that joined the esoteric group soon began to 
have their own ideas - and hence the breakaway. Theosophy in its infancy 
needed to be spread to the wider community, one could only do that by 
introducing an esoteric section that delved into the deep and hidden 
teachings. As I 
said it seemed as though some of those students began to think that they 
knew more than their teachers and the inevitable outcome of that was that 
theosophy became diluted or altered which would have defeated the purpose 
of 
the esoteric section. As they say, a little knowledge in the wrong hands! 

Perhaps they learnt that the theosophical message challenged their own 
personal beliefs, and rather than change those beliefs, twisted them to 
fit in 
or be accomodated by their own personal belief system. You can take a 
horse to water, but you can't m_ak_e _it dr_ink, as they_ say. 

Cass 

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>Sent: Sat, 13 February, 2010 3:53:38 AM 
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 
> 
> 
>Dear Cass and friends 
> 
>I hold your view to be against the esoterical theosophical teachings - 
and so does H. P. Blavatsky in her Esoteric papers as far as I can tell. 
>The Masters have had groups for many years where they only allow certain 
members to participate. 
>Various Chelas have also had groups where only certain members are 
allowed. 
> 
>Are you saying that H. P. Blavatsky was wrong when she and the others 
kicked Charles Sotheran out of the Theosophical Society? 
>Are you also saying that H. P. Blavatsky was wrong when she kicked Mabel 
Collins out of her Esoteric Section and refused to accept everyone in her 
Esoteric Section? 
> 
>Let me seek to explain why... 
> 
>1. 
>H. P. Blavatsky said in her Esoteric Section papers: 
>"Having omitted, however, the usual precautions of the probationary 
period, I have but myself to thank; and therefore, it is but just that I 
should 
also be myself the first to suffer for it at the hands of the inexorable 
Karmic law. For this, ironclad as I have been made by daily and almost 
hourly 
unjust attacks, I would have cared but very little; but that which I 
deplore the mostââwith a bitterness few of you will ever realizeââis the 
fact 
that such a number of thoroughly earnest, good, and sincere men and women 
should be made to suffer for the guilt of the few. For, though but a fault 
of omission on my part, still that guilt, as I feel, is due to my neglect. 
Behold! my Karma appeared as a warning almost from the beginning of the 
E.S." 
>... 
>"I had started well. Several of those whom I knew to be entirely unfitted 
to take the pledge have been refused from the first; but I proved unable 
to withstand their prayers when certain of them declared to me that it was 


their âlast chance in life.â The âpledge feverâ made short work of their 
promises. One broke her vows only four days after signing her pledge, 
becoming guilty of the blackest treachery and disloyalty to her HIGHER 
SELF. And 
when I could no longer keep in the E.S. either herself or her friend, the 
two convulsed the whole Society with their calumnies and falsehoods. Then 
it 
was that the old wondering query, âHow is it that âpoor H.P.B.,â 
notwithstanding the Masters at her back, and her own insight, is so 
evidently 
unable to know he

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