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Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its original lines!

Feb 17, 2010 08:25 AM
by Drpsionic


No, after her time.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
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In a message dated 2/16/2010 11:50:59 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
global-theosophy@stofanet.dk writes:

 
 
 
:-)
She before her time then.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010  4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its  
original lines!

Radha actually got caught in that when she gave her  first lecture at 
Olcott. She kept saying "eternal verities" meaning the  phrase in its 
literal 
meaning but in American idiom it means "old wives  tales", or simply, 
nonsense 
that people repeat even though everyone knows  it isn't true, and the 
audience was very confused.

Chuck the  Heretic

_www.charlescosiman_www.c

In a message dated  2/15/2010 10:59:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
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(mailto:global-theosophy@stofanet.dk) _ writes:

Yes.
Those Americans  are strange. :-)
The say the opposite of what they think.

Just like  Dave Allen on the Vagaries of the English Language

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So I think I will do-doo on  the "You don't say". :-)

M. Sufilight

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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010  10:19 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to  its 
original lines!

Morten, you need to visit the state for a few  months...you will get the 
American humour...I got it and laughed my ass  off, you will too when you 
get 
it :-) He was not addressing  you...

________________________________
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Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010  10:02:59 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to  its 
original lines!

Dear John

My views are:

I wonder  if you are referring to me?
Calling me "Boss" I find not to be helpful to  the promulgation of the 
theosophical teachings. I am not a "Boss" more  than anyone else on this 
planet, 
at least until someone can really truely  prove it to be a false position. 

Your question cannot be considered  compassionate. And I think you know 
that.

- - - - - - -
A few  more words:

If one never should allow anyone to be expelled as a member  of the TS or a 
given ES, then one should follow the stance: Do not mind,  Do not matter.
And such a position I will not agree upon. There are several  other groups 
to follow for those, who - for the time being - do not find  sympathy with 
the Object of aiming at the creation of a Universal  Brotherhood or 
Universal 
Compassion between all humans. The Messiah Craze  groups and dogmatic 
Churches have branches of tha_t kind.

Al_l those  who are in sympathy with the main Objects as they were given in 
the  origianal Programe aught not to be expelled from the TS. But the 
problem  is that the TS today is not following the Original Programe, and I 
think 
I  have proven this in more than one e-mail at this forum. They follow  
something they call the "New Era" given by Annie Besant and others. And  
this 
"New Era" supported and still supports meddling with politics and a  
political 
involvement of the TS.
This is what the TS Adyar website says  today.

Form the TS Adyar website we have, Feb. 2010:
"With Mrs.  Besant a new era began. She gave a great lead in making 
Theosophy  practical, urging members to theosophize the various fields: 
religious,  
social, economic, political. 
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ThÃs not in accordance with  the Original Programe. Politics aught not to 
be endorsed and promoted by  leading member of the TS and Annie Besant did 
it, and turned herself into  a walking lie, supporting the English Crown 
under 
the Commonwealth so the  world could be ruled by it with weapons and all.
And she falsely claimed  that H.S. Olcott and H. P. Blavatsky supported the 
creation of the  National Congress of India in her book. "The future of 
Indian politics",  1922 - Published through the apparently NON-POLITICAL: 
The 
Theosophical  Publishing House!

A quote from "The future of Indian politics" by Annie  Besant:
"The new departure in 1913 resembled in one marked way the new  departure 
when the National Congress was planned in 1884. The seed of both  was 
planted 
by the Theosophical Society. It was at the Theosophical  Convention of that 
year that a small group of earnest Theo-sophists â  deeply concerned for 
the political future of their country and aroused to  a sense of her past 
powers_ and her then _present impotence by the  awakening crusades of H. P. 
Blavatsky and Henry Steele Olcott, stirring  the educated to self-respect 
and 
res-pect for their Nation â meeting in  Adyar, decided to make an effort 
for 
political redemption".
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Until the TS Adyar and all  other theosophical groups clearly add what they 
or others previously have  deleted in the Constitution and Rules about 
offences on political  involvements by members of the TS, I will consider 
their 
activities not to  be in accordance with the Original Programe and 
therefore 
ask them for a  proper explanation about why they have such a stance as the 
one given by  Annie Besant in the above.

Here are the words, which were deleted after  1891:
"ARTICLE XIII
Offences

1. Any Fellow who shall in any way  attempt to involve the Society In 
political disputes shall be immediately  expelled."
(signed H. S. Olcott and seven other names B. Keightley being  one of them, 
and later published in The Theosophist, January 1891.)  

One question:
Is there anyone on this forum who is aware of when  the above article were 
actually deleted from the Constitution and Rules of  the TS, and why it 
actually were deleted?

M. Sufilight

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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010  8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its  
original lines!

Hey Boss, 
Do you want us to build the stake and  wood pile in the front yard again so 
we can burn that dirty heretic?  

John 

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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010  8:55:19 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the  Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 

No. 
There was  never any excommunications in the TS in the period 1875-1891. 
People were  expelled out of compassion. This is the truth. 

If we continue like you  seem to want it, we will create people who never 
will stop continue to  commit heretical acts. 
:-) 

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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010  5:22 PM 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to  its 
original lines! 

Because excommunication does not work. It  merely creates martyrs on one 
hand and rivals on the other. 

Chuck  the Heretic 

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In a message dated  2/13/2010 10:58:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
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Now, some of us  willI wonder why it was silly? 

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Sent: Saturday, February  13, 2010 5:28 PM 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society  back to its 
original lines! 

Yes, it was silly for her to do that.  

Chuck the Heretic 

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Dear Cass and  friends 

I hold your view to be against the esoterical theosophical  teachings - and 
so does H. P. Blavatsky in her Esoteric papers as far as I  can tell. 
The Masters have had groups for many years where they only allow  certain 
members to participate. 
Various Chelas have also had groups  where only certain members are 
allowed. 

Are you saying that H. P.  Blavatsky was wrong when she and the others 
kicked Charles Sotheran out of  the Theosophical Society? 
Are you also saying that H. P. Blavatsky was  wrong when she kicked Mabel 
Collins out of her Esoteric Section and  refused to accept everyone in her 
Esoteric Section? 

Let me seek to  explain why... 

1. 
H. P. Blavatsky said in her Esoteric Section  papers: 
"Having omitted, however, the usual precautions of the  probationary 
period, I have but myself to thank; and therefore, it is but  just that I 
should 
also be myself the first to suffer for it at the  hands of the inexorable 
Karmic law. For this, ironclad as I have been made  by daily and almost 
hourly 
unjust attacks, I would have cared but very  little; but that which I 
deplore the mostââwith a bitterness few of you  will ever realizeââis the 
fact 
that such a number of thoroughly  earnest, good, and sincere men and women 
should be made to suffer for the  guilt of the few. For, though but a fault 
of 
omission on my part,  still that guilt, as I feel, is due to my neglect. 
Behold! my Karma  appeared as a warning almost from the beginning of the 
E.S." 
...  
"I had started well. Several of those whom I knew to be entirely unfitted  
to take the pledge have been refused from the first; but I proved unable  
to 
withstand their prayers when certain of them declared to me that it  was 
their âlast chance in life.â The âpledge feverâ made short work of  their 
promises. One broke her vows only four days after signing her  pledge, 
becoming guilty of the blackest treachery and disloyalty to her  HIGHER 
SELF. And 
when I could no longer keep in the E.S. either  herself or her friend, the 
two convulsed the whole Society with their  calumnies and falsehoods. Then 
it 
was that the old wondering query,  âHow is it that âpoor H.P.B.,â 
notwithstanding the Masters at her back,  and her own insight, is so 
evidently unable 
to know her friends from  her foes?â ran once more the round of 
theosophical circles, both here and  in America. 
Brothers, if you will judge from appearances, and from the  worldly 
standpoint, you are right; but if you take the trouble of looking  into the 
inner 
causes producing outward results, you will find that  you are decidedly in 
the wrong. That you should no longer do me injustice,  let me explain what 
I 
mean." 
....... 
"[And now I sincerely  hope that you willââsome of you, at leastââlearn a 
lesson from my  weakness, and show your appreciation of this by not judging 
me too  unkindly if I now change somewhat my policy. For I have to either 
do so,  or to drop the Esoteric teachings altogether, for those at any 
rate,  
who will disagree with this arrangement. To avoid repeating the mistake,  
this is what I propose doing. Each Paper will be sent as it was hitherto,  
only it will appear as a Supplement to the Ethics and teachings which will  
impart the rules of Discipline and the laws of Discipleship, as in the  
case of 
all Probationers.all Probationers.<WBR>"[And  now I sincerely hope that you 
w 
at leastââlearn a lesson from my  weakness, and show your appreciation of 
this by not judging me too  unkindly if I n 

âSpeak not the mysteries to the common vulgar, nor to  the casual friend, 
or new disciple. With prudent eye to the possible  consequences, keep 
locked 
within your breast the teachings received,  until you find a listener who 
will understand your words and sympathize  with your aspirations.â 
This does not mean that you are at liberty to  repeat what you have learned 
to anyone whom you believe to answer that  descriptio_n, but that you can 
exchange views with your co-discip_le_exchange views with your co-disci
yours_elf." 

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2. 
H. P. Blavatsky  said in her Esoteric Section papers: 
"The Masters can give but little  assistance to a Body not thoroughly 
united in purpose and feeling, and  which breaks its first fundamental rule 
ââ 
universal brotherly love,  without distinction of race, creed or colour; 
nor to 
a Society, many  members of which pass their lives in judging, condemning, 
and often  reviling other members in a most untheosophical, not to say 
disgraceful,  manner. 
For this reason it is now contemplated to gather the âelectâ of  the T.S. 
and to call them to action. It is only by a select group of brave  souls, a 
handful of determined men and women hungry for genuine spiritual  
development and the acquirement of soul-wisdom, that the Theosophical  
Society at 
large can be brought back to its original lines. It is  through an Esoteric 
Section aloneââi.e., a group in which all the members,  even if 
unacquainted 
with one another, work for each other, and by  working for all work for 
themselvesââthat the great Exoteric Society may  be redeemed and made to 
realize 
that in union and harmony alone lie  its strength and power. The object of 
this Section, then, is to help the  future growth of the Theosophical 
Society 
as a whole in the true  direction, by promoting brotherly union at least 
among the few."  
....... 
"As to the relations of the Masters to this Section, it may be  further 
said, paradoxically, that with Them everything is possible and  everything 
impossible. They may or may not communicate personally on the  outer plane 
with 
a member, and those who are continually wishing to  receive âordersâ or 
communications directly from Them on this plane,  either phenomenally or 
otherwise, will in all probability be disappointed.  The Masters have no 
desire 
to prove Their power or give âtestsâ to  anyone whatever. And the fact 
that a 
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according to his wise  opinion, the Master or Masters ought t_o_ speak and 
interfe_re personally,  is no sound r_eason for such an outward 
interference.in
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3. 
H. P.  Blavatsky said in her Esoteric Section papers: 
"NOTICE 
Members of the  E.S.T. receiving this Instruction will understand from its 
receipt that  they have passed out of the First Probationary Degree of the 
E. S. T. into  the Second Probationary Degree. The students in the Second 
Degree must not  discuss this Instruction with anyone still in the First 
Degree; they must  remain absolutely silent upon it, except to such persons 
as may 
be  notified to them as belonging to the Second or Third Degrees by Annie  
Besant or William Q. Judge. Any breach of this rule of silence will be an  
absolute bar to receiving any further Instructions.ab
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Do you think that  the Masters would reveal all their teachings to the 
vulgar when in a group  among the chelas? 

M. Sufilight 

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Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society  back to its 
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No, on the contrary Morten, I don't  believe in any elite group being set 
up within an organization as this  promotes division of its members into 
the 
'blessed' and the 'unclean'.  I have no problem with study groups formed 
around esoteric ideas but these  should be open to all. 

Cass 

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>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical  Society back to its 
original lines! 
> 
> 
>Dear Cass  
> 
>My views are: 
> 
>So you agree with me, that a  secretive Esoteric Group, which requires 
approval before membership or  opportunity to be taught is achived, might 
be a 
helpful idea? 
>  
>Some might consider the Secret Dcotrine to be a Bible. I would however  
say, that it is quite false to compare them to have anything in common  
since 
the Bible is turned into something infallible, whereas the  Secret Doctrine 
never have claimed to be infallible or to be a Bible of  any dead-letter or 

narrowminded dogmatic and fanatical interpretation.  
> 
>As I see it, we also have to keep the following in mind...  
> 
>The compassionate theosophist and the Sufi operates through  the use of 
DESIGNs and MEASURINGs. Each teaching, book, lecture, e-mail  etc. etc. is 
a 
DESIGN. After such a DESIGN has been presented, to the  receiver(s) of it, 
the message, reacts on the individual in various ways.  Depending on the 
reaction and the impact the message has or have - the  Initiate or 
Initiates 
MEASURES the receiver(s). After a while a new  DESIGN will be presented, 
maybe 
by another person or by other means.  This teaching about DESIGN and 
MEASURING is ages old. HPB talked a bit  about it. The Sufis are called the 
Designers, and sometimes also masons,  i.e. the Eastern compassionate 
masons. 
> 
>Taken from A  CURRICULUM OF A SCHOOL 
>"Man has few alternatives in his search for  truth. He may rely upon his 
>unaided intellect, and gamble that he is  capable of perceiving truth or 
even 
>the way to truth. This is a  poor, but an attractive, gamble. Or he can 
>gamble upon the claims of  an individual or institution which claims to 
have 
>such a way. This  gamble, too, is a poor one. Aside from a very few, 
wo/men 
>in  general lack a sufficiently developed perception to tell them:" 
>  
>1. Not to trust their own unaided mentation; 
> 
>2. Who  or what to trust. 
> 
>"There are, in consequence, two main  schools of thought in this matter. 
Some 
>say 'Follow your own  promptings'; the other says: 'Trust this or that 
>intuition'. Each is  really useless to the ordinary wo/man. Each will help 
>him use up his  time." 
> 
>"The bitter truth is that before man can know his own  inadequacy, or the 
>competence of another man or institution, he must  first learn something 
>which will enable him to perceive both. Note  well that his perception 
itself 
>is a product of right study; not  of instinct or emotional attraction to 
the 
>individual, nor yet of  desiring to 'go it alone'. This is 'Learning How 
To 
>Learn."  
> 
>"All this means, of course, that we are postulating here the  need for 
>preparatory study before school work takes place. We deny  that a man can 
>study and properly benefit from school work until he is  equipped for it: 
any 
>more than a person can study space-navigation  unless he has a grasp of 
>mathematics. " 
> 
>"This is not  to say that a man (or a woman) cannot have a sensation of 
>truth. But  the unorganized and fragmented mind which is most people's 
>heritage  tends to distort the quality and quantity of this sensation, 
>leading  to almost completely false conclusions about what can or should 
be  
>done." 
> 
>"This is not to say, either, that man cannot  take part in studies and 
>activities which impinge upon that portion of  him which is connected with 
a 
>higher life and cognition. But the  mere application of special techniques 
>[often to everyone, regardless  of their current state and requirements] 
will 
>not transform that  man's consciousness. It will only feed into, and 
>disturb, more or less  permanently, centers of thought and feeling where 
it 
>does not  belong. Thus it is that something which should be a blessing 
>becomes a  curse. Sugar, shall we say, for a normal person is 
nutritionally  
>useful. To a diabetic, it can be poison." 
> 
>"Therefore,  before the techniques of study and development are made 
>available to  the student, he must be enabled to profit by them in the 
>direction in  which they are supposed to lead, not in short-term 
indulgence." 
>  
>"Thus our curriculum takes two parts: the first is in the providing of  
>materials of a preparatory nature, in order to equip the individual to  
>become a student. The second is the development itself." 
>  
>"If we, or anybody else, supply such study or preparatory material  
>prematurely, it will only operate on a lower level than it could. The  
result 
>will be harmless at best. At worst, it will condition,  train, the mind of 
>the individual to think and behave in patterns  which are nothing less 
than 
>automatic. In this latter way one can  make what seem to be converts, 
>unwittingly play upon emotions, on  lesser desires and the conditioning 
>propensity; train people to  loyalty to individuals, found and maintain 
>institutions which seem  more or less serious or constructive. But no real 
>progress towards  knowledge of the human being and the other dimension in 
>which he  partly lives will in fact be made... ... ...." 
> 
>Taken partly  from: "Learning How to Learn" by the Afghan sufi-author 
Idries  
>Shah 
> 
>M. Sufilight 
> 
>----- Original  Message ----- 
>From: Cass Silva 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com  
>Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:00 AM 
>Subject: Re:  Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines!  
> 
>>From what HPB said, we are given only what we can absorb and  assimilate. 
No point in giving us esoteric knowledge that we are not ready  for. The 
Secret Doctrine is not unlike the Bible in that it was written  for both 
exoteric and esoteric students, so whatever level the reader is  at, it 
provides 
guidance. 
> 
>Cass 
> 
>Cass  
> 
>> 
>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen  <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro  ups.com 
>>Sent: Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:58:47 AM  
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to  its 
original lines! 
>> 
>> 
>>Dear Cass and  friends 
>> 
>>My views are: 
>> 
>>A new  Esoterical School might be necessary or a good and compassionate. 
Remember  that we emply agents in various groups and organisations. But I 
find, that  another Theosophical Society following the original lines would 
be 
a  much better idea, - well provided that the present Theosophical Society 
is  not able to show us that they still follow the original lines given by 
the  Masters, and why their lines or program are better than the original 
one.  
>> 
>>Such a Knowledge is esoterical knowledge. And that  kind of Knowledge is 
not, (so I have been told here at Theos-talk),  officially claimed by the 
leaders Theosophical Society today. An example:  Try to ask the Master 
whether 
they consider their Himalayan group to  be an elite group. Do you think 
that the Masters Himalayan group will  reveal all and everything esoterical 
to 
everyone? 
>>  
>>M. Sufilight 
>> 
>>----- Original Message -----  
>>From: Cass Silva 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com  
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:54 PM 
>>Subject: Re:  Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines!  
>> 
>>I hope you are not suggesting that new esoteric  schools be formed? What 
knowledge is so esoteric that it can now only be  shared by an elite group? 
>> 
>>Cass 
>>  
>>> 
>>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen  <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> 
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro  ups.com 
>>>Sent: Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:18:19 AM  
>>>Subject: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to  its 
original lines! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Dear  friends 
>>> 
>>>My views are: 
>>>  
>>>Sometimes one would do well in reading the words given by H.  P. 
Blavatsky 
>>>about the reason for the formation of the  Esoteric Section... 
>>> 
>>>H. P. Blavatsky said to  the members of the Esoteric Section: 
>>>"This degree of the  Esoteric Section is probationary, and its general 
purpose is to prepare  and fit the student for the study of practical 
occultism or Raj yoga.  Therefore, in this degree, the student--save in 
exceptional  
cases--will not be taught how to produce physical phenomena, nor will any  
magical powers be allowed to develop in him; nor, if possessing such  
powers 
naturally, will he be permitted to exercise them before he has  thoroughly 
mastered the knowledge of SELF, of the psycho-physiologica l  processes 
(taking place on the occult plane) in the human body generally,  and until 
he 
has in abeyance all his lower passions and his PERSONAL  SELF. 
>>>The real Head of the Esoteric Section is a Master, of  whom H. P. 
Blavatsky is the mouthpiece for this Section. He is one of  those Adepts 
referred 
to in theosophical literature, and concerned in  the formation of the The 
osophical Society. " 
>>>. . . . . .  . 
>>>"The Theosophical Society has just entered upon the  fourteenth year of 
its existence; and if it has accomplished great, one  may almost say 
stupendous, results on the exoteric and utilitarian plane,  it has proved a 
dead 
failure on all those points which rank foremost  among the objects of its 
original establishment. Thus, as a "Universal  Brotherhood, " or even as a 
fraternity, one among many, it has descended  to the level of all those 
Societies 
whose pretensions are great, but  whose names are simply masks,--nay, even 
SHAMS. Nor can the excuse be  pleaded that it was led into such an 
undignified course owing to its  having been 
>>>impeded in its natural development, and almost  extinguished, by reason 
of the conspiracies of its enemies openly begun in  1884. Because even 
before that date there never was that solidarity in the  ranks of our 
Society 
which would not only enable it to resist all  external attacks, but also 
make 
it possible for greater, wider, and  more tangible help to be given to all 
its members by those who are always  ready to give help when we are fit to 
receive it. When trouble arose, too  many were quick to doubt and despair, 
and 
few indeed were they who had  worked for the Cause and not for themselves. 
The attacks of the enemy have  given the Society some discretion in the 
conduct of its external progress,  but its real internal condition has not 
improved, and the members, in  their efforts towards spiritual culture, 
still 
require that help which  solidarity in the ranks can alone give them the 
right 
to ask. The  Masters can give but little assistance to a Body not 
>>thoroughly  united in purpose and feeling, and which breaks its first 
fundamental  rule--universal brotherly love, without distinction of race, 
creed 
or  colour; nor to a Society, many members of which pass their lives in  
judging, condemning, and often reviling other members in a most  
untheosophical, not to say disgraceful, manner." 
>>>. . . . .  . . 
>>>"For this reason it is now contemplated to gather the  "elect" of the 
T.S. and to call them to action. It is only by a select  group of brave 
souls, 
a handful of determined men and women hungry for  genuine spiritual 
development and the acquirement of soul-wisdom, that the  Theosophical 
Society at 
large can be brought back to its original  lines. It is through an Esoteric 
Section alone--i.e., a group in which all  the members, even if 
unacquainted 
with one another, work for each  other, and by working for all work for 
themselves-- that the great  Exoteric Society may be redeemed and made to 
realize that in union and  harmony alone lie its strength and power. The 
object of 
this Section,  then, is to help the future growth of the Theosophical 
Society as a whole  in the true direction, by promoting brotherly union at 
least 
among the  few. 
>>>All know that this end was in view when the Society was  established, 
and even in its mere unpledged ranks there was a possibility  for 
development 
and knowledge, until it began to show want of real  union; and now it must 
be saved from future dangers by the united aim,  brotherly feeling, and 
constant exertions of the members of this Esoteric  Section. Therefore, 
anyone 
who has signed the pledge without realizing  this is earnestly recommended 
to 
reconsi_der hi_s position, and to  withdraw unless he is prepared to devote 
himself to the carrying out of  this purpose. Once offered the grand 
example 
of practical altruism, of  the noble_ lives of those who learn to master 
the 
great knowledge but  to help others, and who strive to acquire power_s but 
to 
place them at  the service of their fellow-men, the whole theosophical 
community may yet  be steered into action, and led to follow the example 
set 
before them.  
>>>The Esoteric Section is thus "set apart" for the salvation of  the whole 

Society, and its course from its first steps will be an  arduous and uphill 
work for its members, though a great reward lies behind  the many obstacles 
once they are overcome. 
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>>>M. Sufilight asks  and comments: 
>>>I ask your compassionate hearts as honest  Seekers after Truth : 
>>> 
>>>Do you my dear readers  understand that, the Esoteric Section was 
according to H. P. Blavatsky  created in 1888 so that "the Theosophical 
Society at 
large can be  brought back to its original lines"; the lines openly 
deviated from in  1884? 
>>> 
>>>Did this imply turning it towards a  more or less blurred or openly 
declared political involvement à la A. O.  Hume - National Congress of 
India? I 
would clearly say no, and no a  thousand times! 
>>> 
>>>Did this imply asserting a  Messiah in the flesh as the World Teacher of 
the Age (The Maitreya) as a  dogma or propagandized doctrine to follow? I 
would clearly say no, and no  a thousand times! 
>>> 
>>>Did this imply rejecting  the view that "No Theosophist should be silent 
when he hears evil reports  or slanders spread about the Society, or 
innocent persons, whether they_  _be his colleagu_es or outs_iders. " (The 
Key to the 
Theosophist,  2ed., 1890, p. 250)? I would clearly say no, and no a 
thousand times!  
>>> 
>>>Did it only imply this with reagard to  physically present humans or did 
it also imply it with regard deceased  ones? I would clearly say both 
issues count, because people not living in  the physical are present in our 

universe! 
>>>  
>>>M. Sufilight 
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