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Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its original lines!

Feb 16, 2010 07:42 AM
by Drpsionic


Radha actually got caught in that when she gave her first lecture at  
Olcott.  She kept saying "eternal verities" meaning the phrase in its  literal 
meaning but in American idiom it means "old wives tales", or simply,  nonsense 
that people repeat even though everyone knows it isn't true, and the  
audience was very confused.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
_www.charlescosimano.com  

 
In a message dated 2/15/2010 10:59:33 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
global-theosophy@stofanet.dk writes:

 
 
 
Yes.
Those Americans are strange. :-)
The say the opposite of what  they think.

Just like Dave Allen on the Vagaries of the English  Language





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So I think I will do-doo on the  "You don't say". :-)

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message -----  
From: Martin 
To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ 
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _ 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010  10:19 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to  its 
original lines!

Morten, you need to visit the state for a few  months...you will get the 
American humour...I got it and laughed my ass off,  you will too when you get 
it :-) He was not addressing  you...

________________________________
From: Morten  Nymann Olesen <_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_global-theosophy@global-thgl_ (mailto:global-theosophy@stofanet.dk) _>
To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ 
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010  10:02:59 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to  its 
original lines!

Dear John

My views are:

I wonder if  you are referring to me?
Calling me "Boss" I find not to be helpful to the  promulgation of the 
theosophical teachings. I am not a "Boss" more than anyone  else on this planet, 
at least until someone can really truely prove it to be a  false position. 

Your question cannot be considered compassionate. And  I think you know 
that.

- - - - - - -
A few more words:

If one  never should allow anyone to be expelled as a member of the TS or a 
given ES,  then one should follow the stance: Do not mind, Do not matter.
And such a  position I will not agree upon. There are several other groups 
to follow for  those, who - for the time being - do not find sympathy with 
the Object of  aiming at the creation of a Universal Brotherhood or Universal 
Compassion  between all humans. The Messiah Craze groups and dogmatic 
Churches have  branches of that kind.

Al_l those who are in sympathy with the main  Objects as they were given in 
the origianal Programe aught not to be expelled  from the TS. But the 
problem is that the TS today is not following the  Original Programe, and I think 
I have proven this in more than one e-mail at  this forum. They follow 
something they call the "New Era" given by Annie  Besant and others. And this 
"New Era" supported and still supports meddling  with politics and a political 
involvement of the TS.
This is what the TS  Adyar website says today.

Form the TS Adyar website we have, Feb.  2010:
"With Mrs. Besant a new era began. She gave a great lead in making  
Theosophy practical, urging members to theosophize the various fields:  religious, 
social, economic, political. 
_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://www.ts-http://wwwhttp://www.t_ 
(http://www.ts-adyar.org/history.html) 

ThÃs not in accordance with the  Original Programe. Politics aught not to 
be endorsed and promoted by leading  member of the TS and Annie Besant did 
it, and turned herself into a walking  lie, supporting the English Crown under 
the Commonwealth so the world could be  ruled by it with weapons and all.
And she falsely claimed that H.S. Olcott  and H. P. Blavatsky supported the 
creation of the National Congress of India  in her book. "The future of 
Indian politics", 1922 - Published through the  apparently NON-POLITICAL: The 
Theosophical Publishing House!

A quote  from "The future of Indian politics" by Annie Besant:
"The new departure in  1913 resembled in one marked way the new departure 
when the National Congress  was planned in 1884. The seed of both was planted 
by the Theosophical Society.  It was at the Theosophical Convention of that 
year that a small group of  earnest Theo-sophists â deeply concerned for 
the political future of their  country and aroused to a sense of her past 
powers and her then _present  impotence by the awakening crusades of H. P. 
Blavatsky and Henry Steele  Olcott, stirring the educated to self-respect and 
res-pect for their Nation â  meeting in Adyar, decided to make an effort for 
political  redemption".
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(http://www.archive.org/details/futureofindianpo00besarich) _) 

Until the TS Adyar and all  other theosophical groups clearly add what they 
or others previously have  deleted in the Constitution and Rules about 
offences on political involvements  by members of the TS, I will consider their 
activities not to be in accordance  with the Original Programe and therefore 
ask them for a proper explanation  about why they have such a stance as the 
one given by Annie Besant in the  above.

Here are the words, which were deleted after 1891:
"ARTICLE  XIII
Offences

1. Any Fellow who shall in any way attempt to involve  the Society In 
political disputes shall be immediately expelled."
(signed  H. S. Olcott and seven other names B. Keightley being one of them, 
and later  published in The Theosophist, January 1891.) 

One question:
Is there  anyone on this forum who is aware of when the above article were 
actually  deleted from the Constitution and Rules of the TS, and why it 
actually were  deleted?

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
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(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _ 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010  8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its  
original lines!

Hey Boss, 
Do you want us to build the stake and  wood pile in the front yard again so 
we can burn that dirty heretic?  

John 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Morten Nymann  Olesen" <_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010  8:55:19 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the  Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 

No. 
There was  never any excommunications in the TS in the period 1875-1891. 
People were  expelled out of compassion. This is the truth. 

If we continue like you  seem to want it, we will create people who never 
will stop continue to commit  heretical acts. 
:-) 

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010  5:22 PM 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to  its 
original lines! 

Because excommunication does not work. It merely  creates martyrs on one 
hand and rivals on the other. 

Chuck the  Heretic 

_www.charlescosiman_www.c

In a message dated  2/13/2010 10:58:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _global-theosophy@global-thgl_ 
(mailto:global-theosophy@stofanet.dk) _ writes: 

Now, some of us willI  wonder why it was silly? 

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  

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Sent: Saturday, February 13,  2010 5:28 PM 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back  to its 
original lines! 

Yes, it was silly for her to do that.  

Chuck the Heretic 

www.charlescosimanowww.ch

In a  message dated 2/12/2010 10:59:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
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(http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _ ) _global-theosophy@ ) _global-theoso
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(mailto:global-theosophy@stofanet.dk)  ) writes: 

Dear Cass and  friends 

I hold your view to be against the esoterical theosophical  teachings - and 
so does H. P. Blavatsky in her Esoteric papers as far as I  can tell. 
The Masters have had groups for many years where they only allow  certain 
members to participate. 
Various Chelas have also had groups  where only certain members are 
allowed. 

Are you saying that H. P.  Blavatsky was wrong when she and the others 
kicked Charles Sotheran out of  the Theosophical Society? 
Are you also saying that H. P. Blavatsky was  wrong when she kicked Mabel 
Collins out of her Esoteric Section and  refused to accept everyone in her 
Esoteric Section? 

Let me seek to  explain why... 

1. 
H. P. Blavatsky said in her Esoteric Section  papers: 
"Having omitted, however, the usual precautions of the  probationary 
period, I have but myself to thank; and therefore, it is but  just that I 
should 
also be myself the first to suffer for it at the  hands of the inexorable 
Karmic law. For this, ironclad as I have been made  by daily and almost 
hourly 
unjust attacks, I would have cared but very  little; but that which I 
deplore the mostââwith a bitterness few of you  will ever realizeââis the 
fact 
that such a number of thoroughly  earnest, good, and sincere men and women 
should be made to suffer for the  guilt of the few. For, though but a fault 
of 
omission on my part,  still that guilt, as I feel, is due to my neglect. 
Behold! my Karma  appeared as a warning almost from the beginning of the 
E.S." 
...  
"I had started well. Several of those whom I knew to be entirely unfitted  
to take the pledge have been refused from the first; but I proved unable  
to 
withstand their prayers when certain of them declared to me that it  was 
their âlast chance in life.â The âpledge feverâ made short work of  their 
promises. One broke her vows only four days after signing her  pledge, 
becoming guilty of the blackest treachery and disloyalty to her  HIGHER 
SELF. And 
when I could no longer keep in the E.S. either  herself or her friend, the 
two convulsed the whole Society with their  calumnies and falsehoods. Then 
it 
was that the old wondering query,  âHow is it that âpoor H.P.B.,â 
notwithstanding the Masters at her back,  and her own insight, is so 
evidently unable 
to know her friends from  her foes?â ran once more the round of 
theosophical circles, both here and  in America. 
Brothers, if you will judge from appearances, and from the  worldly 
standpoint, you are right; but if you take the trouble of looking  into the 
inner 
causes producing outward results, you will find that  you are decidedly in 
the wrong. That you should no longer do me injustice,  let me explain what 
I 
mean." 
....... 
"[And now I sincerely  hope that you willââsome of you, at leastââlearn a 
lesson from my  weakness, and show your appreciation of this by not judging 
me too  unkindly if I now change somewhat my policy. For I have to either 
do so,  or to drop the Esoteric teachings altogether, for those at any 
rate,  
who will disagree with this arrangement. To avoid repeating the mistake,  
this is what I propose doing. Each Paper will be sent as it was hitherto,  
only it will appear as a Supplement to the Ethics and teachings which will  
impart the rules of Discipline and the laws of Discipleship, as in the  
case of 
all Probationers.all Probationers.<WBR>"[And  now I sincerely hope that you 
w 
at leastââlearn a lesson from my  weakness, and show your appreciation of 
this by not judging me too  unkindly if I n 

âSpeak not the mysteries to the common vulgar, nor to  the casual friend, 
or new disciple. With prudent eye to the possible  consequences, keep 
locked 
within your breast the teachings received,  until you find a listener who 
will understand your words and sympathize  with your aspirations.â 
This does not mean that you are at liberty to  repeat what you have learned 
to anyone whom you believe to answer that  descriptio_n, but that you can 
exchange views with your co-disciple_s who  are pledged as you are 
yours_elf." 

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2. 
H. P. Blavatsky  said in her Esoteric Section papers: 
"The Masters can give but little  assistance to a Body not thoroughly 
united in purpose and feeling, and  which breaks its first fundamental rule 
ââ 
universal brotherly love,  without distinction of race, creed or colour; 
nor to 
a Society, many  members of which pass their lives in judging, condemning, 
and often  reviling other members in a most untheosophical, not to say 
disgraceful,  manner. 
For this reason it is now contemplated to gather the âelectâ of  the T.S. 
and to call them to action. It is only by a select group of brave  souls, a 
handful of determined men and women hungry for genuine spiritual  
development and the acquirement of soul-wisdom, that the Theosophical  
Society at 
large can be brought back to its original lines. It is  through an Esoteric 
Section aloneââi.e., a group in which all the members,  even if 
unacquainted 
with one another, work for each other, and by  working for all work for 
themselvesââthat the great Exoteric Society may  be redeemed and made to 
realize 
that in union and harmony alone lie  its strength and power. The object of 
this Section, then, is to help the  future growth of the Theosophical 
Society 
as a whole in the true  direction, by promoting brotherly union at least 
among the few."  
....... 
"As to the relations of the Masters to this Section, it may be  further 
said, paradoxically, that with Them everything is possible and  everything 
impossible. They may or may not communicate personally on the  outer plane 
with 
a member, and those who are continually wishing to  receive âordersâ or 
communications directly from Them on this plane,  either phenomenally or 
otherwise, will in all probability be disappointed.  The Masters have no 
desire 
to prove Their power or give âtestsâ to  anyone whatever. And the fact 
that a 
member has concluded that a  crisis of some kind or other is at hand, when, 
according to his wise  opinion, the Master or Masters ought to_ speak and 
interfe_re personally,  is no sound r_eason for such an outward 
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3. 
H. P. Blavatsky  said in her Esoteric Section papers: 
"NOTICE 
Members of the E.S.T.  receiving this Instruction will understand from its 
receipt that they have  passed out of the First Probationary Degree of the 
E. S. T. into the  Second Probationary Degree. The students in the Second 
Degree must not  discuss this Instruction with anyone still in the First 
Degree; they must  remain absolutely silent upon it, except to such persons 
as may 
be  notified to them as belonging to the Second or Third Degrees by Annie  
Besant or William Q. Judge. Any breach of this rule of silence will be an  
absolute bar to receiving any further Instructions.ab
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Do you think that the  Masters would reveal all their teachings to the 
vulgar when in a group  among the chelas? 

M. Sufilight 

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Sent: Friday, February 12,  2010 1:13 AM 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back  to its 
original lines! 

No, on the contrary Morten, I don't believe  in any elite group being set 
up within an organization as this promotes  division of its members into 
the 
'blessed' and the 'unclean'. I have  no problem with study groups formed 
around esoteric ideas but these should  be open to all. 

Cass 

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>Sent: Fri, 12 February,  2010 3:02:36 AM 
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical  Society back to its 
original lines! 
> 
> 
>Dear Cass  
> 
>My views are: 
> 
>So you agree with me, that a  secretive Esoteric Group, which requires 
approval before membership or  opportunity to be taught is achived, might 
be a 
helpful idea? 
>  
>Some might consider the Secret Dcotrine to be a Bible. I would however  
say, that it is quite false to compare them to have anything in common  
since 
the Bible is turned into something infallible, whereas the  Secret Doctrine 
never have claimed to be infallible or to be a Bible of  any dead-letter or 

narrowminded dogmatic and fanatical interpretation.  
> 
>As I see it, we also have to keep the following in mind...  
> 
>The compassionate theosophist and the Sufi operates through  the use of 
DESIGNs and MEASURINGs. Each teaching, book, lecture, e-mail  etc. etc. is 
a 
DESIGN. After such a DESIGN has been presented, to the  receiver(s) of it, 
the message, reacts on the individual in various ways.  Depending on the 
reaction and the impact the message has or have - the  Initiate or 
Initiates 
MEASURES the receiver(s). After a while a new  DESIGN will be presented, 
maybe 
by another person or by other means.  This teaching about DESIGN and 
MEASURING is ages old. HPB talked a bit  about it. The Sufis are called the 
Designers, and sometimes also masons,  i.e. the Eastern compassionate 
masons. 
> 
>Taken from A  CURRICULUM OF A SCHOOL 
>"Man has few alternatives in his search for  truth. He may rely upon his 
>unaided intellect, and gamble that he is  capable of perceiving truth or 
even 
>the way to truth. This is a  poor, but an attractive, gamble. Or he can 
>gamble upon the claims of  an individual or institution which claims to 
have 
>such a way. This  gamble, too, is a poor one. Aside from a very few, 
wo/men 
>in general  lack a sufficiently developed perception to tell them:" 
> 
>1.  Not to trust their own unaided mentation; 
> 
>2. Who or what to  trust. 
> 
>"There are, in consequence, two main schools of  thought in this matter. 
Some 
>say 'Follow your own promptings'; the  other says: 'Trust this or that 
>intuition'. Each is really useless to  the ordinary wo/man. Each will help 
>him use up his time." 
>  
>"The bitter truth is that before man can know his own inadequacy, or  the 
>competence of another man or institution, he must first learn  something 
>which will enable him to perceive both. Note well that his  perception 
itself 
>is a product of right study; not of instinct or  emotional attraction to 
the 
>individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go  it alone'. This is 'Learning How 
To 
>Learn." 
> 
>"All  this means, of course, that we are postulating here the need for  
>preparatory study before school work takes place. We deny that a man  can 
>study and properly benefit from school work until he is equipped  for it: 
any 
>more than a person can study space-navigation unless  he has a grasp of 
>mathematics. " 
> 
>"This is not to say  that a man (or a woman) cannot have a sensation of 
>truth. But the  unorganized and fragmented mind which is most people's 
>heritage tends  to distort the quality and quantity of this sensation, 
>leading to  almost completely false conclusions about what can or should 
be 
>done."  
> 
>"This is not to say, either, that man cannot take part in  studies and 
>activities which impinge upon that portion of him which is  connected with 
a 
>higher life and cognition. But the mere  application of special techniques 
>[often to everyone, regardless of  their current state and requirements] 
will 
>not transform that  man's consciousness. It will only feed into, and 
>disturb, more or less  permanently, centers of thought and feeling where 
it 
>does not belong.  Thus it is that something which should be a blessing 
>becomes a curse.  Sugar, shall we say, for a normal person is 
nutritionally 
>useful. To a  diabetic, it can be poison." 
> 
>"Therefore, before the  techniques of study and development are made 
>available to the student,  he must be enabled to profit by them in the 
>direction in which they  are supposed to lead, not in short-term 
indulgence." 
>  
>"Thus our curriculum takes two parts: the first is in the providing of  
>materials of a preparatory nature, in order to equip the individual to  
>become a student. The second is the development itself." 
>  
>"If we, or anybody else, supply such study or preparatory material  
>prematurely, it will only operate on a lower level than it could. The  
result 
>will be harmless at best. At worst, it will condition,  train, the mind of 
>the individual to think and behave in patterns  which are nothing less 
than 
>automatic. In this latter way one can make  what seem to be converts, 
>unwittingly play upon emotions, on lesser  desires and the conditioning 
>propensity; train people to loyalty to  individuals, found and maintain 
>institutions which seem more or less  serious or constructive. But no real 
>progress towards knowledge of the  human being and the other dimension in 
>which he partly lives will in  fact be made... ... ...." 
> 
>Taken partly from: "Learning How to  Learn" by the Afghan sufi-author 
Idries 
>Shah 
> 
>M.  Sufilight 
> 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Cass  Silva 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, February  11, 2010 2:00 AM 
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical  Society back to its 
original lines! 
> 
>>From what HPB said,  we are given only what we can absorb and assimilate. 
No point in giving us  esoteric knowledge that we are not ready for. The 
Secret Doctrine is not  unlike the Bible in that it was written for both 
exoteric and esoteric  students, so whatever level the reader is at, it 
provides 
guidance.  
> 
>Cass 
> 
>Cass 
> 
>>  
>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>  
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>>Sent: Thu, 11  February, 2010 2:58:47 AM 
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the  Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 
>> 
>>  
>>Dear Cass and friends 
>> 
>>My views are:  
>> 
>>A new Esoterical School might be necessary or a good  and compassionate. 
Remember that we emply agents in various groups and  organisations. But I 
find, that another Theosophical Society following the  original lines would 
be 
a much better idea, - well provided that the  present Theosophical Society 
is not able to show us that they still follow  the original lines given by 
the Masters, and why their lines or program  are better than the original 
one. 
>> 
>>Such a  Knowledge is esoterical knowledge. And that kind of Knowledge is 
not, (so  I have been told here at Theos-talk), officially claimed by the 
leaders  Theosophical Society today. An example: Try to ask the Master 
whether  
they consider their Himalayan group to be an elite group. Do you think  
that the Masters Himalayan group will reveal all and everything esoterical  
to 
everyone? 
>> 
>>M. Sufilight 
>>  
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Cass Silva  
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>>Sent: Tuesday,  February 09, 2010 11:54 PM 
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the  Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 
>>  
>>I hope you are not suggesting that new esoteric schools be formed?  What 
knowledge is so esoteric that it can now only be shared by an elite  group? 
>> 
>>Cass 
>> 
>>>  
>>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet.  dk> 
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>>>Sent:  Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:18:19 AM 
>>>Subject: Theos-World Bring  the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>Dear friends 
>>>  
>>>My views are: 
>>> 
>>>Sometimes one  would do well in reading the words given by H. P. 
Blavatsky  
>>>about the reason for the formation of the Esoteric Section...  
>>> 
>>>H. P. Blavatsky said to the members of the  Esoteric Section: 
>>>"This degree of the Esoteric Section is  probationary, and its general 
purpose is to prepare and fit the student  for the study of practical 
occultism or Raj yoga. Therefore, in this  degree, the student--save in 
exceptional 
cases--will not be taught how  to produce physical phenomena, nor will any 
magical powers be allowed to  develop in him; nor, if possessing such 
powers 
naturally, will he be  permitted to exercise them before he has thoroughly 
mastered the knowledge  of SELF, of the psycho-physiologica l processes 
(taking place on the  occult plane) in the human body generally, and until 
he 
has in  abeyance all his lower passions and his PERSONAL SELF. 
>>>The  real Head of the Esoteric Section is a Master, of whom H. P. 
Blavatsky is  the mouthpiece for this Section. He is one of those Adepts 
referred 
to  in theosophical literature, and concerned in the formation of the The  
osophical Society. " 
>>>. . . . . . . 
>>>"The  Theosophical Society has just entered upon the fourteenth year of 
its  existence; and if it has accomplished great, one may almost say  
stupendous, results on the exoteric and utilitarian plane, it has proved a  
dead 
failure on all those points which rank foremost among the objects  of its 
original establishment. Thus, as a "Universal Brotherhood, " or  even as a 
fraternity, one among many, it has descended to the level of all  those 
Societies 
whose pretensions are great, but whose names are  simply masks,--nay, even 
SHAMS. Nor can the excuse be pleaded that it was  led into such an 
undignified course owing to its having been  
>>>impeded in its natural development, and almost extinguished,  by reason 
of the conspiracies of its enemies openly begun in 1884. Because  even 
before that date there never was that solidarity in the ranks of our  
Society 
which would not only enable it to resist all external attacks,  but also 
make 
it possible for greater, wider, and more tangible help  to be given to all 
its members by those who are always ready to give help  when we are fit to 
receive it. When trouble arose, too many were quick to  doubt and despair, 
and 
few indeed were they who had worked for the  Cause and not for themselves. 
The attacks of the enemy have given the  Society some discretion in the 
conduct of its external progress, but its  real internal condition has not 
improved, and the members, in their  efforts towards spiritual culture, 
still 
require that help which  solidarity in the ranks can alone give them the 
right 
to ask. The  Masters can give but little assistance to a Body not 
>>thoroughly  united in purpose and feeling, and which breaks its first 
fundamental  rule--universal brotherly love, without distinction of race, 
creed 
or  colour; nor to a Society, many members of which pass their lives in  
judging, condemning, and often reviling other members in a most  
untheosophical, not to say disgraceful, manner." 
>>>. . . . .  . . 
>>>"For this reason it is now contemplated to gather the  "elect" of the 
T.S. and to call them to action. It is only by a select  group of brave 
souls, 
a handful of determined men and women hungry for  genuine spiritual 
development and the acquirement of soul-wisdom, that the  Theosophical 
Society at 
large can be brought back to its original  lines. It is through an Esoteric 
Section alone--i.e., a group in which all  the members, even if 
unacquainted 
with one another, work for each  other, and by working for all work for 
themselves-- that the great  Exoteric Society may be redeemed and made to 
realize that in union and  harmony alone lie its strength and power. The 
object of 
this Section,  then, is to help the future growth of the Theosophical 
Society as a whole  in the true direction, by promoting brotherly union at 
least 
among the  few. 
>>>All know that this end was in view when the Society was  established, 
and even in its mere unpledged ranks there was a possibility  for 
development 
and knowledge, until it began to show want of real  union; and now it must 
be saved from future dangers by the united aim,  brotherly feeling, and 
constant exertions of the members of this Esoteric  Section. Therefore, 
anyone 
who has signed the pledge without realizing  this is earnestly recommended 
to 
reconsider hi_s position, and to  withdraw unless he is prepared to devote 
himself to the carrying out of  this purpose. Once offered the grand 
example 
of practical altruism, of  the noble_ lives of those who learn to master 
the 
great knowledge but  to help others, and who strive to acquire power_s but 
to 
place them at  the service of their fellow-men, the whole theosophical 
community may yet  be steered into action, and led to follow the example 
set 
before them.  
>>>The Esoteric Section is thus "set apart" for the salvation of  the whole 

Society, and its course from its first steps will be an  arduous and uphill 
work for its members, though a great reward lies behind  the many obstacles 
once they are overcome. 
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>>>M. Sufilight asks and  comments: 
>>>I ask your compassionate hearts as honest Seekers  after Truth : 
>>> 
>>>Do you my dear readers  understand that, the Esoteric Section was 
according to H. P. Blavatsky  created in 1888 so that "the Theosophical 
Society at 
large can be  brought back to its original lines"; the lines openly 
deviated from in  1884? 
>>> 
>>>Did this imply turning it towards a  more or less blurred or openly 
declared political involvement à la A. O.  Hume - National Congress of 
India? I 
would clearly say no, and no a  thousand times! 
>>> 
>>>Did this imply asserting a  Messiah in the flesh as the World Teacher of 
the Age (The Maitreya) as a  dogma or propagandized doctrine to follow? I 
would clearly say no, and no  a thousand times! 
>>> 
>>>Did this imply rejecting  the view that "No Theosophist should be silent 
when he hears evil reports  or slanders spread about the Society, or 
innocent persons, whether they _be  his colleagu_es or outs_iders. " (The 
Key to the 
Theosophist, 2ed.,  1890, p. 250)? I would clearly say no, and no a 
thousand times!  
>>> 
>>>Did it only imply this with reagard to  physically present humans or did 
it also imply it with regard deceased  ones? I would clearly say both 
issues count, because people not living in  the physical are present in our 

universe! 
>>>  
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