Theos-Talk Archives (February 2010 Message tt00194)

It is oligarchy at the administrative level and anarchy everywhere  else.
 
The anarchy is good, the oligarchy is, well, less than competant.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
_www.charlescosimano.com  

 
In a message dated 2/15/2010 3:37:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
seeker_preethi@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
Morten,

I do not even think they follow Annie Besant and others.  What is happening 
in the TS today is called anarchy or is the word  oligarchy...I do not even 
think they follow Annie Besant and others.  What is happening in the TS to

Preethi

--- On Mon, 15/2/10, 




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Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring  the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines!
To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ 
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
Date: Monday, 15 February, 2010,  6:53 AM



Morten, 

How many era's were there for the  "Conditioned Mind of all mankind"? 

John 

----- Original Message  ----- 

From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@ stofanet.  dk> 

To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 

Sent: Sunday, February  14, 2010 1:02:59 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 

Subject: Re:  Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines!  

Dear John 

My views are: 

I wonder if you are referring  to me? 

Calling me "Boss" I find not to be helpful to the promulgation  of the 
theosophical teachings. I am not a "Boss" more than anyone else on this  planet, 
at least until someone can really truely prove it to be a false  position. 

Your question cannot be considered compassionate. And I  think you know 
that. 

- - - - - - - 

A few more words:  

If one never should allow anyone to be expelled as a member of the TS  or a 
given ES, then one should follow the stance: Do not mind, Do not matter.  

And such a position I will not agree upon. There are several other  groups 
to follow for those, who - for the time being - do not find sympathy  with 
the Object of aiming at the creation of a Universal Brotherhood or  Universal 
Compassion between all humans. The Messiah Craze groups and dogmatic  
Churches have branches of that kind. 

All those who are in sympathy  with the main Objects as they were given in 
the origianal Programe aught not  to be expelled from the TS. But the 
problem is that the TS today is not  following the Original Programe, and I think 
I have proven this in more than  one e-mail at this forum. They follow 
something they call the "New Era" given  by Annie Besant and others. And this 
"New Era" supported and still supports  meddling with politics and a political 
involvement of the TS. 

This is  what the TS Adyar website says today. 

Form the TS Adyar website we  have, Feb. 2010: 

"With Mrs. Besant a new era began. She gave a great  lead in making 
Theosophy practical, urging members to theosophize the various  fiel_ds: religious, 
social, economic, political. 

_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://www.ts-_ (http://www.ts-/)  
adyar.org/ history.html 

ThÃs  not in accordance with the Original Programe. Politics aught not to 
be  endorsed and promoted by leading member of the TS and Annie Besant did 
it, and  turned herself into a walking lie, supporting the English Crown under 
the  Commonwealth so the world could be ruled by it with weapons and all.  

And she falsely claimed that H.S. Olcott and H. P. Blavatsky supported  the 
creation of the National Congress of India in her book. "The future of  
Indian politics", 1922 - Published through the apparently NON-POLITICAL: The  
Theosophical Publishing House! 

A quote from "The future of Indian  politics" by Annie Besant: 

"The new departure in 1913 resembled in one  marked way the new departure 
when the National Congress was planned in 1884.  The seed of both was planted 
by the Theosophical Society. It was at the  Theosophical Convention of that 
year that a small group of earnest  Theo-sophists â deeply concerned for 
the political future of their country and  aroused to a sense o_f her past 
powers and her then present impotence by the  awakening crusades of H. P. 
Blavatsky and Henry Steele Olcott, stirring the  educated to self-respect and 
res-pect for their Nation â meeting in Adyar,  decided to make an effort for 
political redemption". 

( _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://www.archive._ 
(http://www.archive./)  org/details/ futureofindianpo  00besarich ) 

Until the TS Adyar and all other theosophical groups  clearly add what they 
or others previously have deleted in the Constitution  and Rules about 
offences on political involvements by members of the TS, I  will consider their 
activities not to be in accordance with the Original  Programe and therefore 
ask them for a proper explanation about why they have  such a stance as the 
one given by Annie Besant in the above. 

Here are  the words, which were deleted after 1891: 

"ARTICLE XIII  

Offences 

1. Any Fellow who shall in any way attempt to involve  the Society In 
political disputes shall be immediately expelled."  

(signed H. S. Olcott and seven other names B. Keightley being one of  them, 
and later published in The Theosophist, January 1891.) 

One  question: 

Is there anyone on this forum who is aware of when the above  article were 
actually deleted from the Constitution and Rules of the TS, and  why it 
actually were deleted? 

M. Sufilight 

----- Original  Message ----- 

From: Augoeides-222@ comcast.net 

To:  theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:36 PM  

Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its  
original lines! 

Hey Boss, 

Do you want us to build the stake  and wood pile in the front yard again so 
we can burn that dirty heretic?  

John 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Morten Nymann  Olesen" < global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk > 

To:  theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:55:19 AM  GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 

Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the  Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines! 

No. 

There was  never any excommunications in the TS in the period 1875-1891. 

People  were expelled out of compassion. This is the truth. 

If we continue  like you seem to want it, we will create people who never 
will stop continue  to commit heretical acts. 

:-) 

----- Original Message -----  

From: Drpsionic@aol. com 

To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com  

Sent: Sunday_, February 14, 2010 5:22 PM 

Subject: Re:  Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original lines!  

Because excommunication does not work. It merely creates martyrs on  one 

hand and rivals on the other. 

Chuck the Heretic  

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In a message dated 2/13/2010  10:58:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, 

global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk  writes: 

Now, some of us willI wonder why it was silly? 

-----  Original Message ----- 

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Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:28 PM 

Subject: Re:  Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 

original lines!  

Yes, it was silly for her to do that. 

Chuck the Heretic  

www.charlescosimano www.c 

In a message dated 2/12/2010  10:59:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, 

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(http://www.charlesc/)  osimano.com/ ) _global-theosophy@  global-thgl_ 

(mailto: global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk ) writes:  

Dear Cass and friends 

I hold your view to be against the  esoterical theosophical teachings - and 

so does H. P. Blavatsky in her  Esoteric papers as far as I can tell. 

The Masters have had groups for  many years where they only allow certain 

members to participate.  

Various Chelas have also had groups where only certain members are  
allowed. 

Are you saying that H. P. Blavatsky was wrong when she and  the others 

kicked Charles Sotheran out of the Theosophical Society?  

Are you also saying that H. P. Blavatsky was wrong when she kicked  Mabel 

Collins out of her Esoteric Section and refused to accept  everyone in her 

Esoteric Section? 

Let me seek to explain  why... 

1. 

H. P. Blavatsky said in her Esoteric Section papers:  

"Having omitted, however, the usual precautions of the probationary  

period, I have but myself to thank; and therefore, it is but just that  I 

should 

also be myself the first to suffer for it at the  hands of the inexorable 

Karmic law. For this, ironclad as I have been  made by daily and almost 

hourly 

unjust attacks, I would have  cared but very little; but that which I 

deplore the mostââwith a  bitterness few of you will ever realizeââis the 

fact 

that such  a number of thoroughly earnest, good, and sincere men and women 

should  be made to suffer for the guilt of the few. For, though but a fault 

of  

omission on my part, still that guilt, as I feel, is due to my  neglect. 

Behold! my Karma appeared as a warning almost from the  beginning of the 

E.S." 

... 

"I had started well.  Several of those whom I knew to be entirely unfitted 

to take the  pledge have been refused from the first; but I proved unable 

to  

withstand their prayers when certain of them declared to me that it  was 

their âlast chance in life.â The âpledge feverâ made short work of  their 

promises. One broke her vows only four days after signing her  pledge, 

becoming guilty of the blackest treachery and disloyalty to  her HIGHER 

SELF. And 

when I could no longer keep in the E.S.  either herself or her friend, the 

two convulsed the whole Society with  their calumnies and falsehoods. Then 

it 

was that the old  wondering query, âHow is it that âpoor H.P.B.,â 

notwithstanding the  Masters at her back, and her own insight, is so 

evidently unable  

to know her friends from her foes?â ran once more the round of  

theosophical circles, both here and in America. 

Brothers, if  you will judge from appearances, and from the worldly 

standpoint, you  are right; but if you take the trouble of looking into the 

inner  

causes producing outward results, you will find that you are decidedly  in 

the wrong. That you should no longer do me injustice, let me  explain what 

I 

mean." 

....... 

"[And now I  sincerely hope that you willââsome of you, at leastââlearn a 

lesson  from my weakness, and show your appreciation of this by not judging 

me  too unkindly if I now change somewhat my policy. For I have to either  

do so, or to drop the Esoteric teachings altogether, for those at any  

rate, 

who will disagree with this arrangement. To avoid  repeating the mistake, 

this is what I propose doing. Each Paper will  be sent as it was hitherto, 

only it will appear as a Supplement to the  Ethics and teachings which will 

impart the rules of Discipline and the  laws of Discipleship, as in the 

case of 

all Probationers. all  Probationers. <WBR>"[And now I sincerely hope that 
you 

w  

at leastââlearn a lesson from my weakness, and show your appreciation  of 

this by not judging me too unkindly if I n 

âSpeak not the  mysteries to the common vulgar, nor to the casual friend, 

or new  disciple. With prudent eye to the possible consequences, keep 

locked  

within your breast the teachings received, until you find a listener  who 

will understand your words and sympathize with your aspirations.â  

This does not mean that _you are at liberty to repeat what you have  
learned 

to anyone whom you believe to answer that descriptio_n, but  that you can 

exchange views with your co-disciples who are pledged as  you are 

yours_elf." 

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2. 

H. P. Blavatsky said in her Esoteric  Section papers: 

"The Masters can give but little assistance to a Body  not thoroughly 

united in purpose and feeling, and which breaks its  first fundamental rule 

ââ 

universal brotherly love, without  distinction of race, creed or colour; 

nor to 

a Society, many  members of which pass their lives in judging, condemning, 

and often  reviling other members in a most untheosophical, not to say  

disgraceful, manner. 

For this reason it is now contemplated to  gather the âelectâ of the T.S. 

and to call them to action. It is only  by a select group of brave souls, a 

handful of determined men and  women hungry for genuine spiritual 

development and the acquirement of  soul-wisdom, that the Theosophical 

Society at 

large can be  brought back to its original lines. It is through an Esoteric 

Section  aloneââi.e., a group in which all the members, even if 

unacquainted  

with one another, work for each other, and by working for all work for  

themselvesââthat the great Exoteric Society may be redeemed and made  to 

realize 

that in union and harmony alone lie its strength  and power. The object of 

this Section, then, is to help the future  growth of the Theosophical 

Society 

as a whole in the true  direction, by promoting brotherly union at least 

among the few."  

....... 

"As to the relations of the Masters to this Section,  it may be further 

said, paradoxically, that with Them everything is  possible and everything 

impossible. They may or may not communicate  personally on the outer plane 

with 

a member, and those who are  continually wishing to receive âordersâ or 

communications directly  from Them on this plane, either phenomenally or 

otherwise, will in all  probability be disappointed. The Masters have no 

desire 

to  prove Their power or give âtestsâ to anyone whatever. And the fact  

that a 

member has concluded that a crisis of some ki_nd or  other is at hand, 
when, 

according to his wise opinion, the Master or  Masters ought to speak and 

interfe_re personally, is no sound r_eason  for such an outward 

interference. i 

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3. 

H. P. Blavatsky said in her  Esoteric Section papers: 

"NOTICE 

Members of the E.S.T.  receiving this Instruction will understand from its 

receipt that they  have passed out of the First Probationary Degree of the 

E. S. T. into  the Second Probationary Degree. The students in the Second 

Degree must  not discuss this Instruction with anyone still in the First 

Degree;  they must remain absolutely silent upon it, except to such persons 

as  may 

be notified to them as belonging to the Second or Third Degrees by  Annie 

Besant or William Q. Judge. Any breach of this rule of silence  will be an 

absolute bar to receiving any further Instructions. a  

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Do you think that the Masters would reveal  all their teachings to the 

vulgar when in a group among the chelas?  

M. Sufilight 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Cass  Silva 

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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:13 AM 

Subject: Re:  Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 

original lines!  

No, on the contrary Morten, I don't believe in any elite group being  set 

up within an organization as this promotes division of its members  into 

the 

'blessed' and the 'unclean'. I have no problem with  study groups formed 

around esoteric ideas but these should be open to  all. 

Cass 

> 

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>Sent: Fri, 12 February, 2010 3:02:36 AM 

>Subject: Re:  Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 

original lines!  

> 

> 

>Dear Cass 

> 

>My  views are: 

> 

>So you agree with me, that a secretive  Esoteric Group, which requires 

approval before membership or  opportunity to be taught is achived, might 

be a 

helpful idea?  

> 

>Some might consider the Secret Dcotrine to be a  Bible. I would however 

say, that it is quite false to compare them to  have anything in common 

since 

the Bible is turned into  something infallible, whereas the Secret Doctrine 

never have claimed  to be infallible or to be a Bible of any dead-letter or 

narrowminded  dogmatic and fanatical interpretation. 

> 

>As I see it,  we also have to keep the following in mind... 

> 

>The  compassionate theosophist and the Sufi operates through the use of  

DESIGNs and MEASURINGs. Each teaching, book, lecture, e-mail etc. etc.  is 

a 

DESIGN. After such a DESIGN has been presented, to the  receiver(s) of it, 

the message, reacts on the individual in various  ways. Depending on the 

reaction and the impact the message has or have  - the Initiate or 

Initiates 

MEASURES the receiver(s). After a  while a new DESIGN will be presented, 

maybe 

by another person  or by other means. This teaching about DESIGN and 

MEASURING is ages  old. HPB talked a bit about it. The Sufis are called the 

Designers,  and sometimes also masons, i.e. the Eastern compassionate 

masons.  

> 

>Taken from A CURRICULUM OF A SCHOOL 

>"Man  has few alternatives in his search for truth. He may rely upon his  

>unaided intellect, and gamble that he is capable of perceiving  truth or 

even 

>the way to truth. This is a poor, but an  attractive, gamble. Or he can 

>gamble upon the claims of an  individual or institution which claims to 

have 

>such a way.  This gamble, too, is a poor one. Aside from a very few, 
wo/men 

>in  general lack a sufficiently developed perception to tell them:" 

>  

>1. Not to trust their own unaided mentation; 

>  

>2. Who or what to trust. 

> 

>"There are, in  consequence, two main schools of thought in this matter. 

Some  

>say 'Follow your own promptings'; the other says: 'Trust this or  that 

>intuition'. Each is really useless to the ordinary wo/man.  Each will help 

>him use up his time." 

> 

>"The  bitter truth is that before man can know his own inadequacy, or the  

>competence of another man or institution, he must first learn  something 

>which will enable him to perceive both. Note well that  his perception 

itself 

>is a product of right study; not of  instinct or emotional attraction to 

the 

>individual, nor  yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This is 'Learning How 

To  

>Learn." 

> 

>"All this means, of course, that  we are postulating here the need for 

>preparatory study before  school work takes place. We deny that a man can 

>study and properly  benefit from school work until he is equipped for it: 

any  

>more than a person can study space-navigation unless he has a  grasp of 

>mathematics. " 

> 

>"This is not to  say that a man (or a woman) cannot have a sensation of 

>truth. But  the unorganized and fragmented mind which is most people's  

>heritage tends to distort the quality and quantity of this  sensation, 

>leading to almost completely false conclusions about  what can or should 
be 

>done." 

> 

>"This is not  to say, either, that man cannot take part in studies and  

>activities which impinge upon that portion of him which is  connected with 

a 

>higher life and cognition. But the mere  application of special techniques 

>[often to everyone, regardless  of their current state and requirements] 

will 

>not  transform that man's consciousness. It will only feed into, and  

>disturb, more or less permanently, centers of thought and feeling  where 
it 

>does not belong. Thus it is that something which should  be a blessing 

>becomes a curse. Sugar, shall we say, for a normal  person is 
nutritionally 

>useful. To a diabetic, it can be poison."  

> 

>"Therefore, before the techniques of study and  development are made 

>available to the student, he must be enabled  to profit by them in the 

>direction in which they are supposed to  lead, not in short-term 

indulgence." 

> 

>"Thus  our curriculum takes two parts: the first is in the providing of  

>materials of a preparatory nature, in order to equip the  individual to 

>become a student. The second is the development  itself." 

> 

>"If we, or anybody else, supply such study  or preparatory material 

>prematurely, it will only operate on a  lower level than it could. The 

result 

>will be harmless at  best. At worst, it will condition, train, the mind of 

>the  individual to think and behave in patterns which are nothing less 
than  

>automatic. In this latter way one can make what seem to be  converts, 

>unwittingly play upon emotions, on lesser desires and  the conditioning 

>propensity; train people to loyalty to  individuals, found and maintain 

>institutions which seem more or  less serious or constructive. But no real 

>progress towards  knowledge of the human being and the other dimension in 

>which he  partly lives will in fact be made... ... ...." 

> 

>Taken  partly from: "Learning How to Learn" by the Afghan sufi-author 

Idries  

>Shah 

> 

>M. Sufilight 

>  

>----- Original Message ----- 

>From: Cass Silva  

>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 

>Sent: Thursday,  February 11, 2010 2:00 AM 

>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the  Theosophical Society back to its 

original lines! 

>  

>>From what HPB said, we are given only what we can absorb and  assimilate. 

No point in giving us esoteric knowledge that we are not  ready for. The 

Secret Doctrine is not unlike the Bible in that it was  written for both 

exoteric and esoteric students, so whatever level the  reader is at, it 

provides 

guidance. 

>  

>Cass 

> 

>Cass 

> 

>>  

>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet.  dk> 

>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 

>>Sent:  Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:58:47 AM 

>>Subject: Re: Theos-World  Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 

original lines!  

>> 

>> 

>>Dear Cass and friends  

>> 

>>My views are: 

>>  

>>A new Esoterical School might be necessary or a good and  compassionate. 

Remember that we emply agents in various groups and  organisations. But I 

find, that another Theosophical Society following  the original lines would 

be 

a much better idea, - well  provided that the present Theosophical Society 

is not able to show us  that they still follow the original lines given by 

the Masters, and  why their lines or program are better than the original 

one.  

>> 

>>Such a Knowledge is esoterical knowledge. And  that kind of Knowledge is 

not, (so I have been told here at  Theos-talk), officially claimed by the 

leaders Theosophical Society  today. An example: Try to ask the Master 

whether 

they consider  their Himalayan group to be an elite group. Do you think 

that the  Masters Himalayan group will reveal all and everything esoterical 

to  

everyone? 

>> 

>>M. Sufilight  

>> 

>>----- Original Message -----  

>>From: Cass Silva 

>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro  ups.com 

>>Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:54 PM  

>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back  to its 

original lines! 

>> 

>>I hope you are  not suggesting that new esoteric schools be formed? What 

knowledge is  so esoteric that it can now only be shared by an elite group? 

>>  

>>Cass 

>> 

>>>  

>>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet.  dk> 

>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com  

>>>Sent: Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:18:19 AM  

>>>Subject: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back  to its 

original lines! 

>>> 

>>>  

>>>Dear friends 

>>> 

>>>My  views are: 

>>> 

>>>Sometimes one would do  well in reading the words given by H. P. 

Blavatsky  

>>>about the reason for the formation of the Esoteric  Section... 

>>> 

>>>H. P. Blavatsky said to  the members of the Esoteric Section: 

>>>"This degree of the  Esoteric Section is probationary, and its general 

purpose is to  prepare and fit the student for the study of practical 

occultism or  Raj yoga. Therefore, in this degree, the student--save in 

exceptional  

cases--will not be taught how to produce physical phenomena, nor will  any 

magical powers be allowed to develop in him; nor, if possessing  such 

powers 

naturally, will he be permitted to exercise them  before he has thoroughly 

mastered the knowledge of SELF, of the  psycho-physiologica l processes 

(taking place on the occult plane) in  the human body generally, and until 

he 

has in abeyance all his  lower passions and his PERSONAL SELF. 

>>>The real Head of the  Esoteric Section is a Master, of whom H. P. 

Blavatsky is the  mouthpiece for this Section. He is one of those Adepts 

referred  

to in theosophical literature, and concerned in the formation of the  The 

osophical Society. " 

>>>. . . . . . .  

>>>"The Theosophical Society has just entered upon the  fourteenth year of 

its existence; and if it has accomplished great,  one may almost say 

stupendous, results on the exoteric and utilitarian  plane, it has proved a 

dead 

failure on all those points which  rank foremost among the objects of its 

original establishment. Thus,  as a "Universal Brotherhood, " or even as a 

fraternity, one among  many, it has descended to the level of all those 

Societies  

whose pretensions are great, but whose names are simply masks,--nay,  even 

SHAMS. Nor can the excuse be pleaded that it was led into such an  

undignified course owing to its having been  

>>>impeded in its natural development, and almost  extinguished, by reason 

of the conspiracies of its enemies openly  begun in 1884. Because even 

before that date there never was that  solidarity in the ranks of our 

Society 

which would not only  enable it to resist all external attacks, but also 

make 

it  possible for greater, wider, and more tangible help to be given to all  

its members by those who are always ready to give help when we are fit  to 

receive it. When trouble arose, too many were quick to doubt and  despair, 

and 

few indeed were they who had worked for the Cause  and not for themselves. 

The attacks of the enemy have given the  Society some discretion in the 

conduct of its external progress, but  its real internal condition has not 

improved, and the members, in  their efforts towards spiritual culture, 

still 

require that  help which solidarity in the ranks can alone give them the 

right  

to ask. The Masters can give but little assistance to a Body not  

>>thoroughly united in purpose and feeling, and which breaks its  first 

fundamental rule--universal brotherly love, without distinction  of race, 

creed 

or colour; nor to a Society, many members of  which pass their lives in 

judging, condemning, and often reviling  other members in a most 

untheosophical, not to say disgraceful,  manner." 

>>>. . . . . . . 

>>>"For this  reason it is now contemplated to gather the "elect" of the 

T.S. and to  call them to action. It is only by a select group of brave 

souls,  

a handful of determined men and women hungry for genuine spiritual  

development and the acquirement of soul-wisdom, that the Theosophical  

Society at 

large can be brought back to its original lines. It  is through an Esoteric 

Section alone--i.e., a group in which all the  members, even if 

unacquainted 

with one another, work for each  other, and by working for all work for 

themselves-- that the great  Exoteric Society may be redeemed and made to 

realize that in union and  harmony alone lie its strength and power. The 

object of 

this  Section, then, is to help the future growth of the Theosophical  

Society as a whole in the true direction, by promoting brotherly union  at 

least 

among the few. 

>>>All know that this  end was in view when the Society was established, 

and even in its mere  unpledged ranks there was a possibility for 

development 

and  knowledge, until it began to show want of real union; and now it must  

be saved from future dangers by the united aim, brotherly feeling, and  

constant exertions of the members of this Esoteric Section. Therefore,  

anyone 

who has signed the pledge without realizing this is  earnestly recommended 

to 

reconsider his position, and to  withdraw unless he is prepared to devote 

himself to the carrying out  of this purpose. Once offered the grand 

example 

of practical  altruism, of the noble_ lives of those who learn to master 

the  

great knowledge but to help others, and who strive to acquire power_s  but 

to 

place them at the service of their fellow-men, the  whole theosophical 

community may yet be steered into action, and led  to follow the example 

set 

before them. 

>>>The  Esoteric Section is thus "set apart" for the salvation of the whole 
 

Society, and its course from its first steps will be an arduous and  uphill 

work f_or its members, though a great reward lies behind the  many 
obstacles 

once they are overcome. 

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>>>M. Sufilight asks  and comments: 

>>>I ask your compassionate hearts as honest  Seekers after Truth : 

>>> 

>>>Do you my dear  readers understand that, the Esoteric Section was 

according to H. P.  Blavatsky created in 1888 so that "the Theosophical 

Society at  

large can be brought back to its original lines"; the lines openly  

deviated from in 1884? 

>>> 

>>>Did  this imply turning it towards a more or less blurred or openly  

declared political involvement à la A. O. Hume - National Congress of  

India? I 

would clearly say no, and no a thousand times!  

>>> 

>>>Did this imply asserting a Messiah in  the flesh as the World Teacher of 

the Age (The Maitreya) as a dogma or  propagandized doctrine to follow? I 

would clearly say no, and no a  thousand times! 

>>> 

>>>Did this imply  rejecting the view that "No Theosophist should be silent 

when he hears  evil reports or slanders spread about the Society, or 

innocent_  persons, whether they be his colleagu_es or outs_iders. " (The 

Key to  the 

Theosophist, 2ed., 1890, p. 250)? I would clearly say no, and no a  

thousand times! 

>>> 

>>>Did it only  imply this with reagard to physically present humans or did 

it also  imply it with regard deceased ones? I would clearly say both 

issues  count, because people not living in the physical are present in our 
 

universe! 

>>> 

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