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Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its original lines!

Feb 15, 2010 07:58 AM
by Drpsionic


But they weren't.  They were just much more energetic.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
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In a message dated 2/14/2010 10:53:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
global-theosophy@stofanet.dk writes:

 
 
 
I like that you admit that they were more intelligent than you  are.
:-)

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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010  5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its  
original lines!

I'm saying that they were people of their time, as we  all are. 

Chuck the Heretic

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In a message dated 2/13/2010 10:51:02 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
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(mailto:global-theosophy@stofanet.dk) _ writes:

So you are saying that  they were unintelligent when they created the 
Theosophical Society and  that they did not apply it to time, place, people 
and 
circumstances? Or  was it rather a compromise dut to the circumstance, the 
time, place and  people?

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Sent: Saturday, February 13,  2010 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back  to its 
original lines!

Actually the reason the TS began as a  semi-secret masonic-type thing is 
that in HPB's day they were really into  semi-secret masonic type things. 
It 
is as simple as that.

Chuck  the Heretic

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In a message dated  2/13/2010 12:39:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
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Dear Cass

My  views are:

try to read the links in my previous mail carefully, and you  will find 
out, that H. P. Blavatsky says she allowed people to become  members, when 
they 
were honest at the moment they filed for membership  and that she allowed 
herself to ignore the fact that they perhaps or  probably would change 
their 
heart after a short while. And for this  she had to pay karmically. 
Therefore she changed the allowance of members  arriving in the Esoteric 
Section, so 
that the vulgar were not allowed  to become a member. (Try here and read 
past page 585: 

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Here is my take on it  based on the words given by H. P. Blavatsky.
I would rather say that the  theosophical teachings operate in accordance 
with time, place, people,  teaching, teacher and circumstances. No one can 
force people to do what  they do not want. As they say: You can tak a mule 
to 
the water, but  you cannot force it to drink. Therefore the break-away as 
you mentioned  and not merely because they were thinking by themselves. 
Because people  most often do that.
And that was why the Theosophical Society at first  began as a semi-secret 
masonic-like body, and also because of the fact  that at that time such a 
body was much more able in turning into something  useful. The Objects were 
put under pressure in the beginning of the  1880-ties, when certain persons 
sought to promote some political  theosophical Constitution and Rules in 
their 
branches. Slowly through  the years the Constitution and Rules began to 
deviate from the Original  lines. And Olcott and other leaders of the TS 
fell 
and deviated from  the Original Lines, especially in 1884 according to H. 
P. 
Blavatsky in  Blavatsky's Collected Writings and her letters. H. P. 
Blavatsky created  the Esoteric Section in 1888 as a respones to this 
problem, even 
when  we know that there were a higher Inner group beyond this probationary 
one,  because several Chelas are mentrioned in Blavatsky's Collected 
Writings  (Here they and a few others are: Damodar K. Mavalankar, H. S. 
Olcott, W.  
Q. Judge, Mohini Chatterjee, Djual Kool, Subba T. Row, Gargya Deva, S.  
Ramaswamier, Darbhagiri Nath, and more). It was done - as a protest and a  
call 
for compassion, and the promotion of a Universal Brotherhood - in  1888 so 
to turn the Theosophical Society back to the Original lines  according to 
Blavatsky's own words which I have alrady quoted for  you.

So I would rather say that some of the students, those who were  too 
vulgar, were allowed in the beginning through H. P. Blavatsky's fault  and 
her 
wish of collecting a certain amou_nt of membe_rs. And some of  them fell_ 
on 
the 
Path, when tested. And people get tested on the  probationary Path. After 
the change were only non-vulgar members were  allowed, we even there find 
that 
some of them fell after a while. The  Path towards liberation and Moksha is 
not without trials and problems.  There is nothing new in this. Through the 
centuries many have tried and  fallen, and only few succeded. They were 
those who were ready to succeed.  The Law of Karma is strict, it never 
fails 
and never allow it self to  be mocked. - H. P. Blavatsky died only a few 
years 
after the formation  of the Esoteric Section. But she almost predicted her 
own death in the  Esoteric Section papers. (Try: Blavatsky Collected 
Writings Volume 12 Page  491-492) 

But these are just my views, which at least are supported by  H. P. 
Blavatsky in her own papers from the time.

M.  Sufilight

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Sent: Saturday, February 13,  2010 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back  to its 
original lines!

Morten,
Look what happened - those that  joined the esoteric group soon began to 
have their own ideas - and hence  the breakaway. Theosophy in its infancy 
needed to be spread to the wider  community, one could only do that by 
introducing an esoteric section that  delved into the deep and hidden 
teachings. As I 
said it seemed as  though some of those students began to think that they 
knew more than  their teachers and the inevitable outcome of that was that 
theosophy  became diluted or altered which would have defeated the purpose 
of 
the  esoteric section. As they say, a little knowledge in the wrong  hands!

Perhaps they learnt that the theosophical message challenged  their own 
personal beliefs, and rather than change those beliefs, twisted  them to 
fit in 
or be accomodated by their own personal belief system.  You can take a 
horse to water, but you can't make _it dr_ink, as they_  say.

Cass

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>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society  back to its 
original lines!
>
> 
>Dear Cass and  friends
>
>I hold your view to be against the esoterical  theosophical teachings - 
and so does H. P. Blavatsky in her Esoteric  papers as far as I can tell. 
>The Masters have had groups for many  years where they only allow certain 
members to participate.
>Various  Chelas have also had groups where only certain members are  
allowed.
>
>Are you saying that H. P. Blavatsky was wrong when  she and the others 
kicked Charles Sotheran out of the Theosophical  Society?
>Are you also saying that H. P. Blavatsky was wrong when she  kicked Mabel 
Collins out of her Esoteric Section and refused to accept  everyone in her 
Esoteric Section?
>
>Let me seek to explain  why...
>
>1.
>H. P. Blavatsky said in her Esoteric Section  papers:
>"Having omitted, however, the usual precautions of the  probationary 
period, I have but myself to thank; and therefore, it is but  just that I 
should 
also be myself the first to suffer for it at the  hands of the inexorable 
Karmic law. For this, ironclad as I have been made  by daily and almost 
hourly 
unjust attacks, I would have cared but very  little; but that which I 
deplore the mostââwith a bitterness few of you  will ever realizeââis the 
fact 
that such a number of thoroughly  earnest, good, and sincere men and women 
should be made to suffer for the  guilt of the few. For, though but a fault 
of omission on my part, still  that guilt, as I feel, is due to my neglect. 
Behold! my Karma appeared as  a warning almost from the beginning of the 
E.S."
>...
>"I had  started well. Several of those whom I knew to be entirely unfitted 
to take  the pledge have been refused from the first; but I proved unable 
to  withstand their prayers when certain of them declared to me that it was 
 
their âlast chance in life.â The âpledge feverâ made short work of their  
promises. One broke her vows only four days after signing her pledge,  
becoming guilty of the blackest treachery and disloyalty to her HIGHER  
SELF. And 
when I could no longer keep in the E.S. either herself or  her friend, the 
two convulsed the whole Society with their calumnies and  falsehoods. Then 
it 
was that the old wondering query, âHow is it that  âpoor H.P.B.,â 
notwithstanding the Masters at her back, and her own  insight, is so 
evidently 
unable to know her friends from her foes?â  ran once more the round of 
theosophical circles, both here and in  America.
>Brothers, if you will judge from appearances, and from the  worldly 
standpoint, you are right; but if you take the trouble of looking  into the 
inner 
causes producing outward results, you will find that  you are decidedly in 
the wrong. That you should no longer do me injustice,  let me explain what 
I 
mean."
>.......
>"[And now I  sincerely hope that you willââsome of you, at leastââlearn 
a lesson from  my weakness, and show your appreciation of this by not 
judging me too  unkindly if I now change somewhat my policy. For I have to 
either 
do  so, or to drop the Esoteric teachings altogether, for those at any 
rate,  
who will disagree with this arrangement. To avoid repeating the mistake,  
this is what I propose doing. Each Paper will be sent as it was hitherto,  
only it will appear as a Supplement to the Ethics and teachings which will  
impart the rules of Discipline and the laws of Discipleship, as in the  
case 
of all Probationers. ] Those who accept the new arrangement will  have to 
study the latter, or they cannot receive any more teachings from  me. For, 
as 
saith the Book of Discipline in the Schools of  Dzyan:
>
>âSpeak not the mysteries to the common vulgar, nor to  the casual friend, 
or new disciple. With prudent eye to the possible  consequences, keep 
locked 
within your breast the teachings received,  until you find a listener who 
will understand your words and sympathize  with your aspirations.â
>This does not mean that you are at liberty to  rep_eat what you hav_e 
learned to anyone whom you believe to answer t_hat  description, but that 
you can 
exchange views with your co-disciples  who are pledged as you are yourself."
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>
>2.
>H. P. Blavatsky said in her  Esoteric Section papers:
>"The Masters can give but little assistance to  a Body not thoroughly 
united in purpose and feeling, and which breaks its  first fundamental rule
ââ
universal brotherly love, without distinction  of race, creed or colour; 
nor 
to a Society, many members of which pass  their lives in judging, 
condemning, 
and often reviling other members  in a most untheosophical, not to say 
disgraceful, manner.
>For this  reason it is now contemplated to gather the âelectâ of the T.S. 
and to  call them to action. It is only by a select group of brave souls, a 
 
handful of determined men and women hungry for genuine spiritual  
development and the acquirement of soul-wisdom, that the Theosophical  
Society at 
large can be brought back to its original lines. It is  through an Esoteric 
Section aloneââi.e., a group in which all the members,  even if 
unacquainted 
with one another, work for each other, and by  working for all work for 
themselvesââthat the great Exoteric Society may  be redeemed and made to 
realize 
that in union and harmony alone lie  its strength and power. The object of 
this Section, then, is to help the  future growth of the Theosophical 
Society as a whole in the true  direction, by promoting brotherly union at 
least 
among the  few."
>.......
>"As to the relations of the Masters to this  Section, it may be further 
said, paradoxically, that with Them everything  is possible and everything 
impossible. They may or may not communicate  personally on the outer plane 
with 
a member, and those who are  continually wishing to receive âordersâ or 
communications directly from  Them on this plane, either phenomenally or 
otherwise, will in all  probability be disappointed. The Masters have no 
desire 
to prove Their  power or give âtestsâ to anyone whatever. And the fact 
that 
a member  has concluded that a crisis of some kind or other is at hand, 
when,  accordi_ng to his wis_e opinion, the Master or M_asters ought to 
speak and  
interfere personally, is no sound reason for such an outward interference.  
"
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>
>3.
>H. P. Blavatsky said in  her Esoteric Section papers:
>"NOTICE
>Members of the E.S.T.  receiving this Instruction will understand from its 
receipt that they have  passed out of the First Probationary Degree of the 
E. S. T. into the  Second Probationary Degree. The students in the Second 
Degree must not  discuss this Instruction with anyone still in the First 
Degree; they must  remain absolutely silent upon it, except to such persons 
as 
may be  notified to them as belonging to the Second or Third Degrees by 
Annie  
Besant or William Q. Judge. Any breach of this rule of silence will be an  
absolute bar to receiving any further Instructions. "
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>
>Do you think that the Masters would reveal  all their teachings to the 
vulgar when in a group among the  chelas?
>
>M. Sufilight
>
>----- Original Message  ----- 
>From: Cass Silva 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com  
>Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:13 AM
>Subject: Re:  Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original  lines!
>
>No, on the contrary Morten, I don't believe in any elite  group being set 
up within an organization as this promotes division of its  members into 
the 
'blessed' and the 'unclean'. I have no problem with  study groups formed 
around esoteric ideas but these should be open to  all.
>
>Cass
>
>>
>>From: Morten Nymann  Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
>>To:  theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>Sent: Fri, 12 February, 2010 3:02:36  AM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to  its 
original lines!
>>
>> 
>>Dear  Cass
>>
>>My views are:
>>
>>So you agree  with me, that a secretive Esoteric Group, which requires 
approval before  membership or opportunity to be taught is achived, might 
be a 
helpful  idea?
>>
>>Some might consider the Secret Dcotrine to be a  Bible. I would however 
say, that it is quite false to compare them to have  anything in common 
since 
the Bible is turned into something  infallible, whereas the Secret Doctrine 
never have claimed to be  infallible or to be a Bible of any dead-letter or 
narrowminded dogmatic  and fanatical interpretation.
>>
>>As I see it, we also have  to keep the following in mind...
>>
>>The compassionate  theosophist and the Sufi operates through the use of 
DESIGNs and  MEASURINGs. Each teaching, book, lecture, e-mail etc. etc. is 
a  
DESIGN. After such a DESIGN has been presented, to the receiver(s) of it,  
the message, reacts on the individual in various ways. Depending on the  
reaction and the impact the message has or have - the Initiate or  
Initiates 
MEASURES the receiver(s). After a while a new DESIGN will be  presented, 
maybe 
by another person or by other means. This teaching  about DESIGN and 
MEASURING is ages old. HPB talked a bit about it. The  Sufis are called the 
Designers, and sometimes also masons, i.e. the  Eastern compassionate 
masons.
>>
>>Taken from A  CURRICULUM OF A SCHOOL
>>"Man has few alternatives in his search for  truth. He may rely upon his
>>unaided intellect, and gamble that he  is capable of perceiving truth or 
even
>>the way to truth. This  is a poor, but an attractive, gamble. Or he can
>>gamble upon the  claims of an individual or institution which claims to  
have
>>such a way. This gamble, too, is a poor one. Aside from a  very few, 
wo/men
>>in general lack a sufficiently developed  perception to tell them:"
>>
>>1. Not to trust their own  unaided mentation;
>>
>>2. Who or what to  trust.
>>
>>"There are, in consequence, two main schools of  thought in this matter. 
Some
>>say 'Follow your own promptings';  the other says: 'Trust this or  that
>>intuition'intuition'<WBR>. Each is really  useless to the ordinary wo/man.
>>him use up his  time."
>>
>>"The bitter truth is that before man can know  his own inadequacy, or the
>>competence of another man or  institution, he must first learn something
>>which will enable him to  perceive both. Note well that his perception 
itself
>>is a  product of right study; not of instinct or emotional attraction to  
the
>>individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This is  'Learning How 
To
>>Learn."
>>
>>"All this  means, of course, that we are postulating here the need  for
>>preparatory study before school work takes place. We deny that  a man can
>>study and properly benefit from school work until he is  equipped for it: 
any
>>more than a person can study  space-navigation unless he has a grasp of
>>mathematics.  "
>>
>>"This is not to say that a man (or a woman) cannot  have a sensation of
>>truth. But the unorganized and fragmented mind  which is most people's
>>heritage tends to distort the quality and  quantity of this sensation,
>>leading to almost completely false  conclusions about what can or should  
be
>>done."
>>
>>"This is not to say, either,  that man cannot take part in studies and
>>activities which impinge  upon that portion of him which is connected 
with a
>>higher life  and cognition. But the mere application of special  
techniques
>>[often to everyone, regardless of their current  state and requirements] 
will
>>not transform that man's  consciousness. It will only feed into, and
>>disturb, more or less  permanently, centers of thought and feeling where 
it
>>does not  belong. Thus it is that something which should be a  blessing
>>becomes a curse. Sugar, shall we say, for a normal person  is 
nutritionally
>>useful. To a diabetic, it can be  poison."
>>
>>"Therefore, before the techniques of study and  development are made
>>available to the student, he must be enabled  to profit by them in the
>>direction in which they are supposed to  lead, not in short-term 
indulgence."
>>
>>"Thus our  curriculum takes two parts: the first is in the providing  of
>>materials of a preparatory nature, in order to equip the  individual to
>>become a student. The second is the development  itself."
>>
>>"If we, or anybody else, supply such study or  preparatory material
>>prematurely, it will only operate on a lower  level than it could. The 
result
>>will be harmless at best. At  worst, it will condition, train, the mind of
>>the individual to  think and behave in patterns which are nothing less  
than
>>automatic. In this latter way one can make what seem to be  converts,
>>unwittingly play upon emotions, on lesser desires and the  conditioning
>>propensity; train people to loyalty to individuals,  found and maintain
>>institutions which seem more or less serious or  constructive. But no real
>>progress towards knowledge of the human  being and the other dimension in
>>which he partly lives will in fact  be made... ... ...."
>>
>>Taken partly from: "Learning How  to Learn" by the Afghan sufi-author  
Idries
>>Shah
>>
>>M.  Sufilight
>>
>>----- Original Message -----  
>>From: Cass Silva 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com  
>>Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:00 AM
>>Subject: Re:  Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original  lines!
>>
>>>From what HPB said, we are given only what we  can absorb and assimilate. 
No point in giving us esoteric knowledge that  we are not ready for. The 
Secret Doctrine is not unlike the Bible in that  it was written for both 
exoteric and esoteric students, so whatever level  the reader is at, it 
provides  
guidance.
>>
>>Cass
>>
>>Cass
>>
>>>
>>>From:  Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
>>>To:  theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>Sent: Thu, 11 February, 2010  2:58:47 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical  Society back to its 
original lines!
>>>
>>>  
>>>Dear Cass and friends
>>>
>>>My views  are:
>>>
>>>A new Esoterical School might be necessary  or a good and compassionate. 
Remember that we emply agents in various  groups and organisations. But I 
find, that another Theosophical Society  following the original lines would 
be a much better idea, - well provided  that the present Theosophical 
Society 
is not able to show us that they  still follow the original lines given by 
the Masters, and why their lines  or program are better than the original  
one.
>>>
>>>Such a Knowledge is esoterical  knowledge. And that kind of Knowledge is 
not, (so I have been told here at  Theos-talk), officially claimed by the 
leaders Theosophical Society today.  An example: Try to ask the Master 
whether they consider their Himalayan  group to be an elite group. Do you 
think 
that the Masters Himalayan  group will reveal all and everything esoterical 
to  
everyone?
>>>
>>>M.  Sufilight
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----  
>>>From: Cass Silva 
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro  ups.com 
>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:54  PM
>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back  to its 
original lines!
>>>
>>>I hope you are not  suggesting that new esoteric schools be formed? What 
knowledge is so  esoteric that it can now only be shared by an elite  group?
>>>
>>>Cass
>>>
>>>>
>>>>From:  Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet.  dk>
>>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro  ups.com
>>>>Sent: Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:18:19  AM
>>>>Subject: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back  to its 
original lines!
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>Dear friends
>>>>
>>>>My  views are:
>>>>
>>>>Sometimes one would do well  in reading the words given by H. P. 
Blavatsky
>>>>about the  reason for the formation of the Esoteric  Section...
>>>>
>>>>H. P. Blavatsky said to the  members of the Esoteric Section:
>>>>"This degree of the  Esoteric Section is probationary, and its general 
purpose is to prepare  and fit the student for the study of practical 
occultism or Raj yoga.  Therefore, in this degree, the student--save in 
exceptional cases--will  not be taught how to produce physical phenomena, 
nor will any 
magical  powers be allowed to develop in him; nor, if possessing such 
powers  naturally, will he be permitted to exercise them before he has 
thoroughly  
mastered the knowledge of SELF, of the psycho-physiologica l processes  
(taking place on the occult plane) in the human body generally, and until  
he 
has in abeyance all his lower passions and his PERSONAL  SELF.
>>>>The real Head of the Esoteric Section is a Master, of  whom H. P. 
Blavatsky is the mouthpiece for this Section. He is one of  those Adepts 
referred 
to in theosophical literature, and concerned in  the formation of the 
Theosophical Society. "
>>>>. . . . .  . .
>>>>"The Theosophical Society has just entered upon the  fourteenth year of 
its existence; and if it has accomplished great, one  may almost say 
stupendous, results on the exoteric and utilitarian plane,  it has proved a 
dead 
failure on all those points which rank foremost  among the objects of its 
original establishment. Thus, as a "Universal  Brotherhood, " or even as a 
fraternity, one among many, it has descended  to the level of all those 
Societies whose pretensions are great, but whose  names are simply 
masks,--nay, even 
SHAMS. Nor can the excuse be  pleaded that it was led into such an 
undignified course owing to its  having been
>>>>impeded in its natural development, and almost  extinguished, by reason 
of the conspiracies of its enemies openly begun in  1884. Because even 
before that date there never was that solidarity in the  ranks of our 
Society 
which would not only enable it to resist all  external attacks, but also 
make 
it possible for greater, wider, and  more tangible help to be given to all 
its members by those who are always  ready to give help when we are fit to 
receive it. When trouble arose, too  many were quick to doubt and despair, 
and 
few indeed were they who had  worked for the Cause and not for themselves. 
The attacks of the enemy have  given the Society some discretion in the 
conduct of its external progress,  but its real internal condition has not 
improved, and the members, in  their efforts towards spiritual culture, 
still 
require that help which  solidarity in the ranks can alone give them the 
right 
to ask. The  Masters can give but little assistance to a Body not
>>>thoroughly  united in purpose and feeling, and which breaks its first 
fundamental  rule--universal brotherly love, without distinction of race, 
creed or  colour; nor to a Society, many members of which pass their lives 
in  
judging, condemning, and often reviling other members in a most  
untheosophical, not to say disgraceful, manner."
>>>>. . .  . . . .
>>>>"For this reason it is now contemplated to gather  the "elect" of the 
T.S. and to call them to action. It is only by a select  group of brave 
souls, a handful of determined men and women hungry for  genuine spiritual 
development and the acquirement of soul-wisdom, that the  Theosophical 
Society at 
large can be brought back to its original  lines. It is through an Esoteric 
Section alone--i.e., a group in which all  the members, even if 
unacquainted 
with one another, work for each  other, and by working for all work for 
themselves-- that the great  Exoteric Society may be redeemed and made to 
realize that in union and  harmony alone lie its strength and power. The 
object 
of this Section,  then, is to help the future growth of the Theosophical 
Society as a whole  in the true direction, by promoting brotherly union at 
least 
among the  few.
>>>>All know that this end was in view when the Society  was established, 
and even in its mere unpledged ranks there was a  possibility for 
development 
and knowledge, until it began to show want  of real union; and now it must 
be saved from future dangers by the united  aim, brotherly feeling, and 
constant exertions of the members of this  Esoteric Section. Therefore, 
anyone 
who has signed the pledge without  realizing this is earnestly recommended 
to 
reconsider his position,  and to withdraw unless he is prepared to devote 
himself to the carrying  out of this purpose. Once offered the grand 
example 
of practical  altruism, of the noble lives of those who_ learn to master 
the 
great  knowle_dge but to help others, and who strive to acquire powers but 
to  
place them at the service of their fellow-men, the whole _theosophical  
community may yet be steered into action, and led to follow the example  
set 
before them.
>>>>The Esoteric Section is thus "set  apart" for the salvation of the 
whole Society, and its course from its  first steps will be an arduous and 
uphill work for its members, though a  great reward lies behind the many 
obstacles once they are  overcome.
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>>>>
>>>>M. Sufilight asks and  comments:
>>>>I ask your compassionate hearts as honest Seekers  after Truth :
>>>>
>>>>Do you my dear readers  understand that, the Esoteric Section was 
according to H. P. Blavatsky  created in 1888 so that "the Theosophical 
Society 
at large can be  brought back to its original lines"; the lines openly 
deviated from in  1884?
>>>>
>>>>Did this imply turning it towards  a more or less blurred or openly 
declared political involvement à la A. O.  Hume - National Congress of 
India? I 
would clearly say no, and no a  thousand times!
>>>>
>>>>Did this imply  asserting a Messiah in the flesh as the World Teacher 
of the Age (The  Maitreya) as a dogma or propagandized doctrine to follow? 
I 
would  clearly say no, and no a thousand  times!
>>>>
>>>>Did this imply rejecting the  view that "No Theosophist should be 
silent when he hears evil reports or  slanders spread about the Society, or 
innocent persons, whether they_ be  h_is colleag_ues or outsiders. " (The 
Key to 
the Theosophist, 2ed.,  1890, p. 250)? I would clearly say no, and no a 
thousand  times!
>>>>
>>>>Did it only imply this with  reagard to physically present humans or 
did it also imply it with regard  deceased ones? I would clearly say both 
issues count, because people not  living in the physical are present in our 
 

universe!
>>>>
>>>>M.  Sufilight
>>>>
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