Theos-Talk Archives (February 2010 Message tt00156)

The quote is from *Annie Besant* and can be found in Ross' book on Krotona.

MKR
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MKR. - I think a great number of readers would like a reference documenting
these words as coming from Radha Burnier:

"As is natural, any serious trouble in the TS always arises in the ES, and
spreads outward through the larger organism."*

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen <
global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

>
>
> Dear MKR
>
> My views are:
>
> 1,
> Do you have some suggestion so to adequately improve of the Constitution
> and Rules of the TS?
>
> Constitution and Rules of The Theosophical Society or what is called Full
> Text Of The International Rules And Regulations (
> http://www.theosophyforward.com/2009/06/full-text-of-the-international-rules-and-regulations-memorandum-of-association/)
>
> 2.
> MKR. - I think a great number of readers would like a reference documenting
> these words as coming from Radha Burnier:
> "As is natural, any serious trouble in the TS always arises in the ES, and
> spreads outward through the larger organism."
>
> I ask because this is - most clearly - a deviation from the original
> program given by the Founders and H. P. Blavatsky on whether ES should
> 'boss' TS or not.
> Try to carefully read the below official article by H. P. Blvatsky. This
> read it carefully.
>
> - - - - - - - -
> H. P. Blavatsky said in A Puzzle from Adyar:
> To this I, the âHead of the Esoteric Section,â answer:
> 1. Mr. Bertram Keightleyâs letter, though containing the truth, and nothing
> but the truth, was never intended for publication, as a sentence in it
> proves. Therefore the acting Editor had no right to publish it.
> 2. Fellows of the E. S. having to be first of all Fellows of the
> Theosophical Society, what does the sentence âFellows known to be members of
> the E.S.ââwho stand accused by Mr. Harte (or even by some idiotic reports
> afloat in the Society) of âarbitrary and underhand proceedingsââmean? Is not
> such a sentence a gross insult thrown into the face of honourable menâfar
> better Theosophists than any of their accusersâand of myself?
> 3. What were the silly reports? That the âBritish or the American Section,â
> and even the âBlavatsky Lodgeâ of the Theosophical Society wanted to âboss
> Adyar.â For this is what is said in The Theosophist in the alleged
> âdisclaimerâ:â
>
> Mr. Keightley tells this Commissioner that he must not believe âthat the
> Esoteric Section has any, even the slightest, pretension to âbossâ the
> Theosophical Society or anything of the kind.â Again he says: âWe are all,
> H.P.B. first and foremost, just as loyal to the Theosophical Society and to
> Adyar as the Colonel can possibly be.â And yet again Amen! But before I
> reproduce the acting editorâs further marvellous comments thereon, I claim
> the right to say a few words on the subject. Since, as said, the letter was
> never meant to be paraded in printâchiefly, perhaps, because qui sâexcuse
> sâaccuseâit is no criticism to show that it contains that which I would
> describe as a meaningless flapdoodle, or, rather, a pair of them, something
> quite pardonable in a private and hastily written letter, but quite
> unpardonable and grotesque when appearing as a published document.
> 1st. That the E.S. had never any pretensions to âboss the T.S.â stands to
> reason: with the exception of Col. Olcott, the President, the Esoteric
> Section has nothing whatever to do with the Theosophical Society, its
> Council or officers. It is a Section entirely apart from the exoteric body,
> and independent of it, H.P.B. alone being responsible for its members, as
> shown in the official announcement over the signature of the
> President-Founder himself.* It follows, therefore, that the E. S., as a
> body, owes no allegiance whatever to the Theosophical Society, as a society,
> least of all to Adyar."
> ...
> "ââââââââââ
> * [Ref. is here to Col. Olcottâs Official Announcement in Lucifer Vol. III,
> October 15th, 1888, p. 176. It may be found in Volume X of the present
> Series.âCompiler.] "
> http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm
>
> M. Sufilight
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MKR
> To: theos-talk
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:37 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Autonomy of TS National Societies or Sections
>
> From time to time, the question of autonomy of the National Sections in the
> TS has come up in the minds of the members. A century ago, there were
> bitter
> internecine quarrels among members of the American Section. A large number
> of members appealed to Annie Besant who was International President to
> interfere in the matters of the American Section. By the way, the quarrels
> led to her suspending the ES for a year in the USA and stated âAs is
> natural, any serious trouble in the TS always arises in the ES, and spreads
> outward through the larger organism.â [Does this ring a bell when we
> consider what has been going on since the start of the nomination process
> for the International President by the General Council members all of whom
> are high level ES and Masonic Members?]
>
> In response to the appeal, she clarified the autonomy of the National
> Sections which is helpful to understand the constitution of the TS which
> was
> crafted with the advise from wise Founders whose tool the TS is. I am
> adapting Besantâs response.
>
> A National Society or Section, is autonomous, and no appeal lies to the
> General Council. An appeal to the President only lies if a member has been
> expelled from the TS by his National Society or if a rule has been passed
> contrary to the Constitution of the TS; the member can be reinstated in the
> TS, or his expulsion confirmed by the President; or the President can
> declare invalid a rule which contravenes the Constitution.
>
> I find nothing in the Constitution which permits an appeal to the General
> Council by a dissident minority within a National Society, the bylaws of
> the
> TS in America cannot give to the General Council a power of interference
> with an autonomous National Society, the freedom of which is guaranteed by
> the Constitution.
>
> In passing, we have seen messages regarding the issues in Brazil and only
> members there have the authority to decide how the section is operated.
>
> MKR
>
> There is no religion higher than Truth
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