Theos-Talk Archives (February 2010 Message tt00136)

Yes, it was silly for her to do that.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
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In a message dated 2/12/2010 10:59:41 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
global-theosophy@stofanet.dk writes:

 
 
 
Dear Cass and friends

I hold your view to be against the esoterical  theosophical teachings - and 
so does H. P. Blavatsky in her Esoteric papers as  far as I can tell. 
The Masters have had groups for many years where they  only allow certain 
members to participate.
Various Chelas have also had  groups where only certain members are allowed.

Are you saying that H.  P. Blavatsky was wrong when she and the others 
kicked Charles Sotheran out of  the Theosophical Society?
Are you also saying that H. P. Blavatsky was  wrong when she kicked Mabel 
Collins out of her Esoteric Section and refused to  accept everyone in her 
Esoteric Section?

Let me seek to explain  why...

1.
H. P. Blavatsky said in her Esoteric Section  papers:
"Having omitted, however, the usual precautions of the probationary  
period, I have but myself to thank; and therefore, it is but just that I  should 
also be myself the first to suffer for it at the hands of the  inexorable 
Karmic law. For this, ironclad as I have been made by daily and  almost hourly 
unjust attacks, I would have cared but very little; but that  which I 
deplore the mostââwith a bitterness few of you will ever realizeââis  the fact 
that such a number of thoroughly earnest, good, and sincere men and  women 
should be made to suffer for the guilt of the few. For, though but a  fault of 
omission on my part, still that guilt, as I feel, is due to my  neglect. 
Behold! my Karma appeared as a warning almost from the beginning of  the E.S."
...
"I had started well. Several of those whom I knew to be  entirely unfitted 
to take the pledge have been refused from the first; but I  proved unable to 
withstand their prayers when certain of them declared to me  that it was 
their âlast chance in life.â The âpledge feverâ made short work of  their 
promises. One broke her vows only four days after signing her pledge,  
becoming guilty of the blackest treachery and disloyalty to her HIGHER SELF.  And 
when I could no longer keep in the E.S. either herself or her friend, the  
two convulsed the whole Society with their calumnies and falsehoods. Then it  
was that the old wondering query, âHow is it that âpoor H.P.B.,â  
notwithstanding the Masters at her back, and her own insight, is so evidently  unable 
to know her friends from her foes?â ran once more the round of  
theosophical circles, both here and in America.
Brothers, if you will judge  from appearances, and from the worldly 
standpoint, you are right; but if you  take the trouble of looking into the inner 
causes producing outward results,  you will find that you are decidedly in 
the wrong. That you should no longer  do me injustice, let me explain what I 
mean."
.......
"[And now I  sincerely hope that you willââsome of you, at leastââlearn a 
lesson from my  weakness, and show your appreciation of this by not judging 
me too unkindly if  I now change somewhat my policy. For I have to either 
do so, or to drop the  Esoteric teachings altogether, for those at any rate, 
who will disagree with  this arrangement. To avoid repeating the mistake, 
this is what I propose  doing. Each Paper will be sent as it was hitherto, 
only it will appear as a  Supplement to the Ethics and teachings which will 
impart the rules of  Discipline and the laws of Discipleship, as in the case of 
all  Probationers."[And now I  sincerely hope that you willââsome of you, 
at leastââlearn a lesson from my  weakness, and show your appreciation of 
this by not judging me too unkindly if  I n

âSpeak not the  mysteries to the common vulgar, nor to the casual friend, 
or new disciple.  With prudent eye to the possible consequences, keep locked 
within your breast  the teachings received, until you find a listener who 
will understand your  words and sympathize with your aspirations.â
This does not mean that you  are at liberty to repeat what you have learned 
to anyone whom you believe to  answer that descriptio_n, but that you can 
exchange views with your  co-disciples who are pledged as you are yourself."





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2.
H. P. Blavatsky said in  her Esoteric Section papers:
"The Masters can give but little assistance to  a Body not thoroughly 
united in purpose and feeling, and which breaks its  first fundamental ruleââ
universal brotherly love, without distinction of race,  creed or colour; nor to 
a Society, many members of which pass their lives in  judging, condemning, 
and often reviling other members in a most  untheosophical, not to say 
disgraceful, manner.
For this reason it is now  contemplated to gather the âelectâ of the T.S. 
and to call them to action. It  is only by a select group of brave souls, a 
handful of determined men and  women hungry for genuine spiritual 
development and the acquirement of  soul-wisdom, that the Theosophical Society at 
large can be brought back to its  original lines. It is through an Esoteric 
Section aloneââi.e., a group in  which all the members, even if unacquainted 
with one another, work for each  other, and by working for all work for 
themselvesââthat the great Exoteric  Society may be redeemed and made to realize 
that in union and harmony alone  lie its strength and power. The object of 
this Section, then, is to help the  future growth of the Theosophical Society 
as a whole in the true direction, by  promoting brotherly union at least 
among the few."
.......
"As to the  relations of the Masters to this Section, it may be further 
said,  paradoxically, that with Them everything is possible and everything  
impossible. They may or may not communicate personally on the outer plane with  
a member, and those who are continually wishing to receive âordersâ or  
communications directly from Them on this plane, either phenomenally or  
otherwise, will in all probability be disappointed. The Masters have no desire  
to prove Their power or give âtestsâ to anyone whatever. And the fact that a 
 member has concluded that a crisis of some kind or other is at hand, when, 
 according to his wise opinion, the Master or Masters ought to speak and  
interfere personally, is no sound r_eason for such an outward  interference."
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3.
H. P. Blavatsky said in  her Esoteric Section papers:
"NOTICE
Members of the E.S.T. receiving  this Instruction will understand from its 
receipt that they have passed out of  the First Probationary Degree of the 
E. S. T. into the Second Probationary  Degree. The students in the Second 
Degree must not discuss this Instruction  with anyone still in the First 
Degree; they must remain absolutely silent upon  it, except to such persons as may 
be notified to them as belonging to the  Second or Third Degrees by Annie 
Besant or William Q. Judge. Any breach of  this rule of silence will be an 
absolute bar to receiving any further  Instructions.M
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Do you think that the Masters  would reveal all their teachings to the 
vulgar when in a group among the  chelas?

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Cass  Silva 
To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ 
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _ 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010  1:13 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its  
original lines!

No, on the contrary Morten, I don't believe in any  elite group being set 
up within an organization as this promotes division of  its members into the 
'blessed' and the 'unclean'. I have no problem with study  groups formed 
around esoteric ideas but these should be open to  all.

Cass

>
>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_global-theosophy@global-thgl_ (mailto:global-theosophy@stofanet.dk) _>
>To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ 
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
>Sent: Fri, 12 February, 2010  3:02:36 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back  to its 
original lines!
>
> 
>Dear Cass
>
>My  views are:
>
>So you agree with me, that a secretive Esoteric  Group, which requires 
approval before membership or opportunity to be taught  is achived, might be a 
helpful idea?
>
>Some might consider the  Secret Dcotrine to be a Bible. I would however 
say, that it is quite false to  compare them to have anything in common since 
the Bible is turned into  something infallible, whereas the Secret Doctrine 
never have claimed to be  infallible or to be a Bible of any dead-letter or 
narrowminded dogmatic and  fanatical interpretation.
>
>As I see it, we also have to keep the  following in mind...
>
>The compassionate theosophist and the Sufi  operates through the use of 
DESIGNs and MEASURINGs. Each teaching, book,  lecture, e-mail etc. etc. is a 
DESIGN. After such a DESIGN has been presented,  to the receiver(s) of it, 
the message, reacts on the individual in various  ways. Depending on the 
reaction and the impact the message has or have - the  Initiate or Initiates 
MEASURES the receiver(s). After a while a new DESIGN  will be presented, maybe 
by another person or by other means. This teaching  about DESIGN and 
MEASURING is ages old. HPB talked a bit about it. The Sufis  are called the 
Designers, and sometimes also masons, i.e. the Eastern  compassionate masons.
>
>Taken from A CURRICULUM OF A  SCHOOL
>"Man has few alternatives in his search for truth. He may rely  upon his
>unaided intellect, and gamble that he is capable of perceiving  truth or 
even
>the way to truth. This is a poor, but an attractive,  gamble. Or he can
>gamble upon the claims of an individual or  institution which claims to 
have
>such a way. This gamble, too, is a  poor one. Aside from a very few, wo/men
>in general lack a sufficiently  developed perception to tell them:"
>
>1. Not to trust their own  unaided mentation;
>
>2. Who or what to  trust.
>
>"There are, in consequence, two main schools of thought  in this matter. 
Some
>say 'Follow your own promptings'; the other says:  'Trust this or that
>intuition'. Each is really useless to the ordinary  wo/man. Each will help
>him use up his time."
>
>"The bitter  truth is that before man can know his own inadequacy, or the
>competence  of another man or institution, he must first learn something
>which will  enable him to perceive both. Note well that his perception 
itself
>is a  product of right study; not of instinct or emotional attraction to  
the
>individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This is 'Learning  How To
>Learn."
>
>"All this means, of course, that we are  postulating here the need for
>preparatory study before school work  takes place. We deny that a man can
>study and properly benefit from  school work until he is equipped for it: 
any
>more than a person can  study space-navigation unless he has a grasp of
>mathematics.  "
>
>"This is not to say that a man (or a woman) cannot have a  sensation of
>truth. But the unorganized and fragmented mind which is  most people's
>heritage tends to distort the quality and quantity of  this sensation,
>leading to almost completely false conclusions about  what can or should be
>done."
>
>"This is not to say,  either, that man cannot take part in studies and
>activities which  impinge upon that portion of him which is connected with 
a
>higher life  and cognition. But the mere application of special techniques
>[often to  everyone, regardless of their current state and requirements] 
will
>not  transform that man's consciousness. It will only feed into,  and
>disturb, more or less permanently, centers of thought and feeling  where it
>does not belong. Thus it is that something which should be a  blessing
>becomes a curse. Sugar, shall we say, for a normal person is  nutritionally
>useful. To a diabetic, it can be  poison."
>
>"Therefore, before the techniques of study and  development are made
>available to the student, he must be enabled to  profit by them in the
>direction in which they are supposed to lead, not  in short-term 
indulgence."
>
>"Thus our curriculum takes two  parts: the first is in the providing of
>materials of a preparatory  nature, in order to equip the individual to
>become a student. The  second is the development itself."
>
>"If we, or anybody else,  supply such study or preparatory material
>prematurely, it will only  operate on a lower level than it could. The 
result
>will be harmless at  best. At worst, it will condition, train, the mind of
>the individual to  think and behave in patterns which are nothing less than
>automatic. In  this latter way one can make what seem to be converts,
>unwittingly play  upon emotions, on lesser desires and the conditioning
>propensity; train  people to loyalty to individuals, found and maintain
>institutions which  seem more or less serious or constructive. But no real
>progress towards  knowledge of the human being and the other dimension in
>which he partly  lives will in fact be made... ... ...."
>
>Taken partly from:  "Learning How to Learn" by the Afghan sufi-author  
Idries
>Shah
>
>M. Sufilight
>
>----- Original  Message ----- 
>From: Cass Silva 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com  
>Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:00 AM
>Subject: Re:  Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original  lines!
>
>>From what HPB said, we are given only what we can absorb  and assimilate. 
No point in giving us esoteric knowledge that we are not ready  for. The 
Secret Doctrine is not unlike the Bible in that it was written for  both 
exoteric and esoteric students, so whatever level the reader is at, it  provides  
guidance.
>
>Cass
>
>Cass
>
>>
>>From:  Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
>>To:  theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>Sent: Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:58:47  AM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to  its 
original lines!
>>
>> 
>>Dear Cass and  friends
>>
>>My views are:
>>
>>A new  Esoterical School might be necessary or a good and compassionate. 
Remember  that we emply agents in various groups and organisations. But I 
find, that  another Theosophical Society following the original lines would be 
a much  better idea, - well provided that the present Theosophical Society 
is not able  to show us that they still follow the original lines given by 
the Masters, and  why their lines or program are better than the original  
one.
>>
>>Such a Knowledge is esoterical knowledge. And that  kind of Knowledge is 
not, (so I have been told here at Theos-talk), officially  claimed by the 
leaders Theosophical Society today. An example: Try to ask the  Master whether 
they consider their Himalayan group to be an elite group. Do  you think 
that the Masters Himalayan group will reveal all and everything  esoterical to 
everyone?
>>
>>M.  Sufilight
>>
>>----- Original Message -----  
>>From: Cass Silva 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com  
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:54 PM
>>Subject: Re:  Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its 
original  lines!
>>
>>I hope you are not suggesting that new esoteric  schools be formed? What 
knowledge is so esoteric that it can now only be  shared by an elite  group?
>>
>>Cass
>>
>>>
>>>From:  Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
>>>To:  theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>Sent: Wed, 10 February, 2010  6:18:19 AM
>>>Subject: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society  back to its 
original lines!
>>>
>>>  
>>>Dear friends
>>>
>>>My views  are:
>>>
>>>Sometimes one would do well in reading the  words given by H. P. 
Blavatsky
>>>about the reason for the  formation of the Esoteric Section...
>>>
>>>H. P.  Blavatsky said to the members of the Esoteric Section:
>>>"This  degree of the Esoteric Section is probationary, and its general 
purpose is to  prepare and fit the student for the study of practical 
occultism or Raj yoga.  Therefore, in this degree, the student--save in exceptional 
cases--will not be  taught how to produce physical phenomena, nor will any 
magical powers be  allowed to develop in him; nor, if possessing such powers 
naturally, will he  be permitted to exercise them before he has thoroughly 
mastered the knowledge  of SELF, of the psycho-physiologica l processes 
(taking place on the occult  plane) in the human body generally, and until he 
has in abeyance all his lower  passions and his PERSONAL SELF.
>>>The real Head of the Esoteric  Section is a Master, of whom H. P. 
Blavatsky is the mouthpiece for this  Section. He is one of those Adepts referred 
to in theosophical literature, and  concerned in the formation of the The
osophical Society. "
>>>. . .  . . . .
>>>"The Theosophical Society has just entered upon the  fourteenth year of 
its existence; and if it has accomplished great, one may  almost say 
stupendous, results on the exoteric and utilitarian plane, it has  proved a dead 
failure on all those points which rank foremost among the  objects of its 
original establishment. Thus, as a "Universal Brotherhood, " or  even as a 
fraternity, one among many, it has descended to the level of all  those Societies 
whose pretensions are great, but whose names are simply  masks,--nay, even 
SHAMS. Nor can the excuse be pleaded that it was led into  such an 
undignified course owing to its having been
>>>impeded in  its natural development, and almost extinguished, by reason 
of the  conspiracies of its enemies openly begun in 1884. Because even 
before that  date there never was that solidarity in the ranks of our Society 
which would  not only enable it to resist all external attacks, but also make 
it possible  for greater, wider, and more tangible help to be given to all 
its members by  those who are always ready to give help when we are fit to 
receive it. When  trouble arose, too many were quick to doubt and despair, and 
few indeed were  they who had worked for the Cause and not for themselves. 
The attacks of the  enemy have given the Society some discretion in the 
conduct of its external  progress, but its real internal condition has not 
improved, and the members,  in their efforts towards spiritual culture, still 
require that help which  solidarity in the ranks can alone give them the right 
to ask. The Masters can  give but little assistance to a Body not
>>thoroughly united in  purpose and feeling, and which breaks its first 
fundamental rule--universal  brotherly love, without distinction of race, creed 
or colour; nor to a  Society, many members of which pass their lives in 
judging, condemning, and  often reviling other members in a most 
untheosophical, not to say disgraceful,  manner."
>>>. . . . . . .
>>>"For this reason it is  now contemplated to gather the "elect" of the 
T.S. and to call them to action.  It is only by a select group of brave souls, 
a handful of determined men and  women hungry for genuine spiritual 
development and the acquirement of  soul-wisdom, that the Theosophical Society at 
large can be brought back to its  original lines. It is through an Esoteric 
Section alone--i.e., a group in  which all the members, even if unacquainted 
with one another, work for each  other, and by working for all work for 
themselves-- that the great Exoteric  Society may be redeemed and made to 
realize that in union and harmony alone  lie its strength and power. The object of 
this Section, then, is to help the  future growth of the Theosophical 
Society as a whole in the true direction, by  promoting brotherly union at least 
among the few.
>>>All know that  this end was in view when the Society was established, 
and even in its mere  unpledged ranks there was a possibility for development 
and knowledge, until  it began to show want of real union; and now it must 
be saved from future  dangers by the united aim, brotherly feeling, and 
constant exertions of the  members of this Esoteric Section. Therefore, anyone 
who has signed the pledge  without realizing this is earnestly recommended to 
reconsider his position,  and to withdraw unless he is prepared to devote 
himself to the carrying out of  this purpose. Once offered the grand example 
of practical altruism, of the  noble lives of those who learn to master the 
great knowledge but to help  others, and who strive to acquire power_s but to 
place them at the service of  their fellow-men, the whole theosophical 
community may yet be steered into  action, and led to follow the example set 
before them.
>>>The  Esoteric Section is thus "set apart" for the salvation of the whole 
Society,  and its course from its first steps will be an arduous and uphill 
work for its  members, though a great reward lies behind the many obstacles 
once they are  overcome.
>>>_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://www.katinkah_ 
(http://www.katinkah/)  esselink. net/blavatsky/ articles/  v7/yxxxx_ 019.htm
>>>
>>>M. Sufilight asks and  comments:
>>>I ask your compassionate hearts as honest Seekers  after Truth :
>>>
>>>Do you my dear readers understand  that, the Esoteric Section was 
according to H. P. Blavatsky created in 1888 so  that "the Theosophical Society at 
large can be brought back to its original  lines"; the lines openly 
deviated from in  1884?
>>>
>>>Did this imply turning it towards a more  or less blurred or openly 
declared political involvement à la A. O. Hume -  National Congress of India? I 
would clearly say no, and no a thousand  times!
>>>
>>>Did this imply asserting a Messiah in  the flesh as the World Teacher of 
the Age (The Maitreya) as a dogma or  propagandized doctrine to follow? I 
would clearly say no, and no a thousand  times!
>>>
>>>Did this imply rejecting the view that  "No Theosophist should be silent 
when he hears evil reports or slanders spread  about the Society, or 
innocent persons, whether they be his colleagues or  outs_iders. " (The Key to the 
Theosophist, 2ed., 1890, p. 250)? I would clearly  say no, and no a 
thousand times!
>>>
>>>Did it only  imply this with reagard to physically present humans or did 
it also imply it  with regard deceased ones? I would clearly say both 
issues count, because  people not living in the physical are present in our  
universe!
>>>
>>>M.  Sufilight
>>>
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