Theos-Talk Archives (February 2010 Message tt00123)

I hold it to be a very funny one.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
_www.charlescosimano.com  

 
In a message dated 2/11/2010 9:44:21 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
global-theosophy@stofanet.dk writes:

 
 
 
I hold this to be a false accusation.

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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010  4:13 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to its  
original lines!

It is rather hard to ask one of the Masters anything as  they tend to be 
high on something in Morya's pipe and give really strange  answers.

Chuck the Heretic

www.charlescosimanowww.charl

In a message dated 2/10/2010 10:01:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
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Dear Cass and  friends

My views are:

A new Esoterical School might be necessary  or a good and compassionate. 
Remember that we emply agents in various  groups and organisations. But I 
find, that another Theosophical Society  following the original lines would 
be a 
much better idea, - well provided  that the present Theosophical Society is 
not able to show us that they  still follow the original lines given by the 
Masters, and why their lines  or program are better than the original one.

Such a Knowledge is  esoterical knowledge. And that kind of Knowledge is 
not, (so I have been  told here at Theos-talk), officially claimed by the 
leaders Theosophical  Society today. An example: Try to ask the Master 
whether 
they consider  their Himalayan group to be an elite group. Do you think 
that 
the Masters  Himalayan group will reveal all and everything esoterical to  
ever_yone?

M. Sufilight

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From: Cass Silva 
To: 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 09,  2010 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back  to its 
original lines!

I hope you are not suggesting that new  esoteric schools be formed? What 
knowledge is so esoteric that it can now  only be shared by an elite group?

Cass

>
>From: Morten  Nymann Olesen <_ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
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>Sent: Wed, 10 February, 2010  6:18:19 AM
>Subject: Theos-World Bring the Theosophical Society back to  its original 
lines!
>
> 
>Dear friends
>
>My  views are:
>
>Sometimes one would do well in reading the words  given by H. P. Blavatsky
>about the reason for the formation of the  Esoteric Section...
>
>H. P. Blavatsky said to the members of the  Esoteric Section:
>"This degree of the Esoteric Section is probationary,  and its general 
purpose is to prepare and fit the student for the study of  practical 
occultism 
or Raj yoga. Therefore, in this degree, the  student--save in exceptional 
cases--will not be taught how to produce  physical phenomena, nor will any 
magical powers be allowed to develop in  him; nor, if possessing such 
powers 
naturally, will he be permitted to  exercise them before he has thoroughly 
mastered the knowledge of SELF, of  the psycho-physiologica l processes 
(taking place on the occult plane) in  the human body generally, and until 
he has 
in abeyance all his lower  passions and his PERSONAL SELF.
>The real Head of the Esoteric Section  is a Master, of whom H. P. 
Blavatsky is the mouthpiece for this Section.  He is one of those Adepts 
referred to 
in theosophical literature, and  concerned in the formation of the 
Theosophical Society. "
>. . . . .  . .
>"The Theosophical Society has just entered upon the fourteenth year  of 
its existence; and if it has accomplished great, one may almost say  
stupendous, results on the exoteric and utilitarian plane, it has proved a  
dead 
failure on all those points which rank foremost among the objects of  its 
original establishment. Thus, as a "Universal Brotherhood, " or even  as a 
fraternity, one among many, it has descended to the level of all  those 
Societies 
whose pretensions are great, but whose names are simply  masks,--nay, even 
SHAMS. Nor can the excuse be pleaded that it was led  into such an 
undignified 
course owing to its having been
>impeded in  its natural development, and almost extinguished, by reason of 
the  conspiracies of its enemies openly begun in 1884. Because even before 
that  date there never was that solidarity in the ranks of our Society 
which  
would not only enable it to resist all external attacks, but also make it  
possible for greater, wider, and more tangible help to be given to all its  
members by those who are always ready to give help when we are fit to  
receive it. When trouble arose, too many were quick to doubt and despair,  
and few 
indeed were they who had worked for the Cause and not for  themselves. The 
attacks of the enemy have given the Society some  discretion in the conduct 
of its external progress, but its real internal  condition has not 
improved, 
and the members, in their efforts towards  spiritual culture, still require 
that help which solidarity in the ranks  can alone give them the right to 
ask. The Masters can give but little  assistance to a Body not
thoroughly united in purpose and feeling, and  which breaks its first 
fundamental rule--universal brotherly love, without  distinction of race, 
creed 
or colour; nor to a Society, many members of  which pass their lives in 
judging, condemning, and often reviling other  members in a most 
untheosophical, 
not to say disgraceful,  manner."
>. . . . . . .
>"For this reason it is now contemplated  to gather the "elect" of the T.S. 
and to call them to action. It is only  by a select group of brave souls, a 
handful of determined men and women  hungry for genuine spiritual 
development and the acquirement of  soul-wisdom, that the Theosophical 
Society at 
large can be brought back to  its original lines. It is through an Esoteric 
Section alone--i.e., a group  in which all the members, even if 
unacquainted 
with one another, work for  each other, and by working for all work for 
themselves-- that the great  Exoteric Society may be redeemed and made to 
realize 
that in union and  harmony alone lie its strength and power. The object of 
this Section,  then, is to help the future growth of the Theosophical 
Society 
as a whole  in the true direction, by promoting brotherly union at least 
among the  few.
>All know that this end was in view when the Society was  established, and 
even in its mere unpledged ranks there was a possibility  for development 
and knowledge, until it began to show want of real union;  and now it must 
be 
saved from future dangers by the united aim, brotherly  feeling, and 
constant exertions of the members of this Esoteric Section.  Therefore, 
anyone who 
has signed the pledge without realizing this is  earnestly recommended to 
reconsider his position, and to withdraw unless  he is prepared to devote 
himself to the carrying out of this purpose. Once  offered the grand 
example of 
practical altruism, of the noble lives of  those who learn to master the 
great knowledge but to help others, and who  strive to acquire powers but 
to 
place them at the service of their  fellow-men, the whole theosophical 
community may yet be steered into  action, and led to follow the example 
set before 
them.
>The Esoteric  Section is _thus "set apart" for the salvation of the whole 
Society, and  its_ course from its first steps will be an arduous and 
uphill 
work for  its members, though a great reward lies behind the many obstacles 
once  they are overcome.
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>
>M. Sufilight asks and comments:
>I ask  your compassionate hearts as honest Seekers after Truth :
>
>Do  you my dear readers understand that, the Esoteric Section was 
according to  H. P. Blavatsky created in 1888 so that "the Theosophical 
Society at 
large  can be brought back to its original lines"; the lines openly 
deviated 
from  in 1884?
>
>Did this imply turning it towards a more or less  blurred or openly 
declared political involvement à la A. O. Hume -  National Congress of 
India? I 
would clearly say no, and no a thousand  times!
>
>Did this imply asserting a Messiah in the flesh as the  World Teacher of 
the Age (The Maitreya) as a dogma or propagandized  doctrine to follow? I 
would clearly say no, and no a thousand  times!
>
>Did this imply rejecting the view that "No Theosophist  should be silent 
when he hears evil reports or slanders spread about the  Society, or 
innocent 
persons, whether they be his colleagues or outsiders.  " (The_ Key to the_ 
Theosophist, 2ed., 1890, p. 250)? I would clearly say  no, and no a 
thousand 
times!
>
>Did it only imply this with  reagard to physically present humans or did 
it also imply it with regard  deceased ones? I would clearly say both 
issues 
count, because people not  living in the physical are present in our 
universe!
>
>M.  Sufilight
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