Theos-Talk Archives (February 2010 Message tt00101)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@...> wrote:
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> One would also expect the President of the TS and Head of the ES to >know how to use words cautiously. As for the words I am repeatedly >pointing to, could you please take the August 2009 issue of the >Theosophist and look through the Watch Tower?

I don't have it and in any case I did not accuse her of casteism. I was cautioning people not to jump to conclusions without any evidence.


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Huh?! I am afraid this is how you may have read the President's article as well. Where did I say she was not capable of making mistakes? In fact, I stated she could be wrong.


>Half the problem in the TS originates from the fact that the >President has been raised to the level of a demi-god (how >disrespectful is that!!!!!) rather than a human being..

And the other half could be due to people throwing mud at her all the time trying to make her look less than human. It works both ways.


> I ask you: Can you respect her for a change, Viswanath?

You got it.


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> --- On Mon, 8/2/10, sadhak1008 <whyviswanath@...> wrote:
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> From: sadhak1008 <whyviswanath@...>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Brahmin Caste Issue
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, 8 February, 2010, 7:53 AM
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> Unless the President stated that 'Brahmins are superior' or something similar to that, it depends on what she actually said and the context. Nobody has posted the statement she made, so nobody knows and she remains innocent until proven otherwise.
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> The point also is that all the religions from India have emphasized giving up meat eating. Not only Krishnamurti, but also Ramana Maharshi and others. Patinathar was not a Brahmin by birth but after his realization he begged forgiveness for having consumed meat in his previous lives. If the president spoke in that context, she would not be superiorizing any caste but rather pointing to a religious (call it superior if you like) way of living. That would certainly fall within her legitimate role.
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@ ...> wrote:
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> > And you might also add that more and more Brahmins are taking to meat-eating, smoking, drinking of alcohol these days...
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> > The point I am making is why did the President of the Theosophical Society make a statement in the Watch Tower that superiorizes Brahmins? Can the Theosophical Society afford to become casteist?
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> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Brahmin Caste Issue
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> > Traditionally Brahmins not only do not eat meat, but do not eat eggs and are
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> > > As far as I know, one of the supposed requirements for the WT to manifest
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> > > of the last century the odds were that a Brahmin body was more likely to
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> > > > The President of the Theosophical Society in an article called The
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