Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
Feb 02, 2010 03:58 PM
by MarieMAJ41
IMHO, many of the members of the GC and ES can be viewed as examples of what is NOT theosophical, and therefore serve as valid examples for others as well. It is not just by correct action that a child can be taught, but also by incorrect action. So all members can serve as examples for each other. Leaders such as Radha, especially, must have large egos in order to do the work that is required, for international leadership. So along with great opportunity comes great opportunity to display ones human frailities. Let us watch, then let us act, according to our own inner light.
-----Original Message-----
From: preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@yahoo.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:45 am
Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
MKR,
Yes, one does have to be a worker at Adyar to reside there. Additionally, one may reside there if one is going to attend the School of the Wisdom, or one is going to do some research in the Library.
One may also reside there if one's family member works there. By that count then, I was not given permission to reside at Adyar even though my mother, Mrs Radha Muthiah, was and is still working at Adyar during the last Convention.
And why, MKR, was Preethi Muthiah, a worker-member of the TS and Adyar, asked to move out the premises of Adyar? Solely because she "made the mistake" of telling the President the difference between right and wrong, between corruption and purity. Now tell me, by what count would you call what Preethi did in May 2009 untheosophical or unright or illegal or unspiritual?
So, the point really is, MKR, that when one does what is Theosophically correct, one can still be asked to leave the TS and kicked out on to the road, solely because what one is saying hurts the President's ego.
In fact, if you look at HPB's (I do hope you remember who she is) diagram of what the spiritual path looks like, one who knows the difference between right and wrong must help his brother standing on a lower rung of the ladder to know that difference. So per HPB Preethi would be right, wouldn't she? But per Mrs Radha Burnier, Preethi is wrong. But Preethi is not the President of the TS. Mrs Radha Burnier is. So what is an untheosophical President who is so PERSONAL she forgets about being correct, ethically and spiritually, doing as President of the TS?
Consequently, if she cannot even set right her own life, how does she hope to lead the others placed under her by Life to the right path? The state of affairs regarding the ES members' plight is even worse, because she is supposed to be their spiritual guide. And if you read the Upanishads, MKR, you will know that having upright ethics is ESSENTIAL to the Spiritual Path. There are several reasons for that...
Fraternally
Preethi
--- On Wed, 27/1/10, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com> wrote:
From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 January, 2010, 4:29 PM
Thanks for the info.
It was my understanding that one has to be a worker at Adyar to reside
there. You may be aware of the current rules.
mkr
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:05 AM, preethi muthiah
<seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com>wrote:
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> MKR,
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> The rules are different for Indians and Foreigners.. .Foreigners do have to
> get their GS's approval to reside at Adyar.
>
> If you went back a few decades, you would see why this is followed. During
> John Coats' time, we sometimes had even hippies residing at Adyar. People
> would go to Adyar and smoke, drink and do many other things contrary to the
> spiritual atmosphere at Adyar.
>
> I was not there at that time, but these are things I have heard when I
> queried the President's unwillingness to allow some people -- members or
> otherwise -- to enter and reside on campus.
>
> So, when Mrs Burnier became President, she set out these rules as to what
> may be done to screen out any unwanted elements from entering and residing
> on campus at Adyar. I do appreciate that move, for I do believe -- as she
> does and many others too -- that the spiritual atmosphere in Adyar must be
> preserved...
>
> But when taken to the extreme, it means that Mrs Burnier then uses that
> very privilege she introduced to move out or prevent anyone from entering
> Adyar who is not good for her own ego...this rule has now taken away from
> the openness and regeneration that is needed for Adyar to survive as a
> spiritual centre.
>
> Fraternally
>
> Preethi
>
> --- On Tue, 26/1/10, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>> wrote:
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> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Tuesday, 26 January, 2010, 8:03 PM
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> When I was a member of the Indian Section and attended the conventions, the
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> process was very simple. If you are uptodate on your dues, then you are
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> allowed to register and attend. No one asked me about my allegiance to
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> anyone nor was I asked about how many meetings I have attended.
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> I doubt if the process has changed. With the large number of Indian members
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> attending the convention, which is to be expected, anything else would be
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> impractical.
>
> MKR
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:22 AM, preethi muthiah
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> <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com>wrote:
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> > Dear Katinka and Martin,
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> >
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> > That is precisely the point...what or who would Mrs Radha Burnier call a
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> > member in good standing? The way I have seen her function for 16 years as
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> > resident-member- worker (strictly in that order), the ones she calls
> members
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> > in good standing are those who are good for her ego, even if they are bad
>
> > for the Movement...she encourages inefficiency and gossip and slander,
> all
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> > because the ones who do that also run to her calling her "Amma"...and run
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> > behind her willing to do anything -- whether right or wrong -- to please
> and
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> > satisfy her.
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> >
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> > So the question I am asking is simply put this: Who or what is a good
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> > member of the TS? And when onwards has the Cause become secondary to the
> ego
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> > of the functionary head of the TS?
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> >
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> > By the way, the rules of the TS define any member who has been paying
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> > regular fees and attending TS meetings as a member in good standing...or
> at
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> > least that is how I understand it...
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> >
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> > And yes, Katinka, I have been at Adyar since 1994 till 2009, and am quite
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> > aware of the politics and ego games that go on in allowing anyone at all
> to
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> > reside at Adyar...
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> >
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> > Fraternally
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> >
>
> > Preethi
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> >
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> >
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> > --- On Sun, 24/1/10, Martin <Mvandertak@ yahoo. com <Mvandertak%
> 40yahoo.com> >
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> > wrote:
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> >
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> > From: Martin <Mvandertak@ yahoo. com <Mvandertak% 40yahoo.com> >
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> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
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> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
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> > Date: Sunday, 24 January, 2010, 4:19 PM
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> >
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> > Reminds me of an experience I had at "the Maitreya Institute" in
> Amsterdam:
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> >
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> > The door was open so I went inside and had a look at all the statues and
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> > paintings of "buddha's". Must have taken me half an hour ( I also filmed
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> > some of the building inside ). Then a tibetan nun entered the meditation
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> > room, where I was making pictures, I looked at her and felt her heart,
> which
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> > truly was amazing. Then I observed her mind and there the trouble
> started.
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> > She looked at me a said, we are all about compassion. At the same time a
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> > monk appeared behind my back.who grabbed me around my body. I had another
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> > look at the nun, who I saw looking at a picture of a dark buddha. Here is
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> > what I did...I hit the monk on his head and told him never to attack me
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> > again and to the nun I said the same. But I didn't attack you, the nun
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> > said...yes you did I said: with your mind...she apologized and started to
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> > cry...
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> >
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> > The monk was ok, I didn't hit him too hard, and I went out of the
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> > building...
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> >
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> > ____________ _________ _________ __
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> >
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> > From: wagnerian1 <wagnerian1@ yahoo. com>
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> >
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> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> >
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> >
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> > Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 7:34:20 AM
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> >
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> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
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> >
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> > Mmmmkay. Because you're doing all this world-shaking, complicated,
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> > delicate, high-stakes decision making at a Theosophy Convention. Give me
> a
>
> > break.
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> >
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> > Do Theosophy in your local group, and in your daily life, and if somebody
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> > wants to play secret club then by all means let them. What exactly are
> you
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> > wanting to do at Convention that someone isn't letting you do? How are
> they
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> > able to allow or disallow you do something? Are there armed guards
> involved?
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> > Shouting matches? Cold shoulders? Theosophists, Buddhists, etc. are all
> good
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> > at passive aggressive manipulation LOL Maybe there needs to be a good
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> > shouting and cursing match to get everything out in the open so that
> Those
>
> > you serve can help Work on it too. Maybe words have lots of power, but
> the
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> > power isn't always obvious from the superficial meaning.
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> >
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> > Who wants to stay at some boring ol' Headquarters anyway? Who wants to
>
> > burden the Society with your upkeep, just because you "pay dues"? Why
> does
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> > the Society owe anyone room and board?
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> >
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> > I could go on and on.....
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> >
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> > --Clint
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> >
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> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Martin <Mvandertak@ ...> wrote:
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> > >
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> > > " I guess it's to ensure that 'members of good standing' only get to
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> > attend. Which Radha obviously does not think you are. "
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> > >
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> > > Meaning she is discriminating on "caste" and in violence of the
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> > objectives of the TS...
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> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
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> >
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> > > From: Spirituality <mail@...>
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> >
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> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> >
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> >
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> > > Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 4:10:15 PM
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> >
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> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Hi Preethi,
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Actually, it's not a given that every TS member can automatically stay
> at
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> > the Adyar Centre. For international members there's a lot of bureaucratic
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> > hassle to be able to stay there. People don't just have to prove they are
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> > members, they have to have the explicit approval of their national
> section
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> > to be able to stay over.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > At least, that was the procedure for Dutch members when I went to Adyar
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> > ten years ago.
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> > >
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> > > I guess it's to ensure that 'members of good standing' only get to
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> > attend. Which Radha obviously does not think you are.
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> >
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> > >
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> > > Just because we pay a bit for its upkeep, does not mean it's a hotel at
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> > which every member automatically has admittance.
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> > > Katinka Hesselink
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