Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
Jan 27, 2010 07:53 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen
Preethi wrote:
"But when taken to the extreme, it means that Mrs Burnier then uses that very privilege she introduced to move out or prevent anyone from entering Adyar who is not good for her own ego...this rule has now taken away from the openness and regeneration that is needed for Adyar to survive as a spiritual centre."
Maybe the following view could be helpful:
The Constitution and Rules aught maybe to have an article saying something about who are allowed to enter TS Adyar and other compunds etc. and who are not, and what ethics (versus assumptions) are being used and by whom when such a decision is being made. Those who disallow people to enter a given compund aught to provide credible documentation about why.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: preethi muthiah
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
MKR,
The rules are different for Indians and Foreigners...Foreigners do have to get their GS's approval to reside at Adyar.
If you went back a few decades, you would see why this is followed. During John Coats' time, we sometimes had even hippies residing at Adyar. People would go to Adyar and smoke, drink and do many other things contrary to the spiritual atmosphere at Adyar.
I was not there at that time, but these are things I have heard when I queried the President's unwillingness to allow some people -- members or otherwise -- to enter and reside on campus.
So, when Mrs Burnier became President, she set out these rules as to what may be done to screen out any unwanted elements from entering and residing on campus at Adyar. I do appreciate that move, for I do believe -- as she does and many others too -- that the spiritual atmosphere in Adyar must be preserved...
But when taken to the extreme, it means that Mrs Burnier then uses that very privilege she introduced to move out or prevent anyone from entering Adyar who is not good for her own ego...this rule has now taken away from the openness and regeneration that is needed for Adyar to survive as a spiritual centre.
Fraternally
Preethi
--- On Tue, 26/1/10, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com> wrote:
From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 26 January, 2010, 8:03 PM
When I was a member of the Indian Section and attended the conventions, the
process was very simple. If you are uptodate on your dues, then you are
allowed to register and attend. No one asked me about my allegiance to
anyone nor was I asked about how many meetings I have attended.
I doubt if the process has changed. With the large number of Indian members
attending the convention, which is to be expected, anything else would be
impractical.
MKR
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:22 AM, preethi muthiah
<seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>
> Dear Katinka and Martin,
>
> That is precisely the point...what or who would Mrs Radha Burnier call a
> member in good standing? The way I have seen her function for 16 years as
> resident-member- worker (strictly in that order), the ones she calls members
> in good standing are those who are good for her ego, even if they are bad
> for the Movement...she encourages inefficiency and gossip and slander, all
> because the ones who do that also run to her calling her "Amma"...and run
> behind her willing to do anything -- whether right or wrong -- to please and
> satisfy her.
>
> So the question I am asking is simply put this: Who or what is a good
> member of the TS? And when onwards has the Cause become secondary to the ego
> of the functionary head of the TS?
>
> By the way, the rules of the TS define any member who has been paying
> regular fees and attending TS meetings as a member in good standing...or at
> least that is how I understand it...
>
> And yes, Katinka, I have been at Adyar since 1994 till 2009, and am quite
> aware of the politics and ego games that go on in allowing anyone at all to
> reside at Adyar...
>
> Fraternally
>
> Preethi
>
>
> --- On Sun, 24/1/10, Martin <Mvandertak@yahoo. com <Mvandertak% 40yahoo.com> >
> wrote:
>
> From: Martin <Mvandertak@yahoo. com <Mvandertak% 40yahoo.com> >
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Sunday, 24 January, 2010, 4:19 PM
>
>
>
>
> Reminds me of an experience I had at "the Maitreya Institute" in Amsterdam:
>
> The door was open so I went inside and had a look at all the statues and
> paintings of "buddha's". Must have taken me half an hour ( I also filmed
> some of the building inside ). Then a tibetan nun entered the meditation
> room, where I was making pictures, I looked at her and felt her heart, which
> truly was amazing. Then I observed her mind and there the trouble started.
> She looked at me a said, we are all about compassion. At the same time a
> monk appeared behind my back.who grabbed me around my body. I had another
> look at the nun, who I saw looking at a picture of a dark buddha. Here is
> what I did...I hit the monk on his head and told him never to attack me
> again and to the nun I said the same. But I didn't attack you, the nun
> said...yes you did I said: with your mind...she apologized and started to
> cry...
>
> The monk was ok, I didn't hit him too hard, and I went out of the
> building...
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: wagnerian1 <wagnerian1@ yahoo. com>
>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>
>
> Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 7:34:20 AM
>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
>
> Mmmmkay. Because you're doing all this world-shaking, complicated,
> delicate, high-stakes decision making at a Theosophy Convention. Give me a
> break.
>
> Do Theosophy in your local group, and in your daily life, and if somebody
> wants to play secret club then by all means let them. What exactly are you
> wanting to do at Convention that someone isn't letting you do? How are they
> able to allow or disallow you do something? Are there armed guards involved?
> Shouting matches? Cold shoulders? Theosophists, Buddhists, etc. are all good
> at passive aggressive manipulation LOL Maybe there needs to be a good
> shouting and cursing match to get everything out in the open so that Those
> you serve can help Work on it too. Maybe words have lots of power, but the
> power isn't always obvious from the superficial meaning.
>
> Who wants to stay at some boring ol' Headquarters anyway? Who wants to
> burden the Society with your upkeep, just because you "pay dues"? Why does
> the Society owe anyone room and board?
>
> I could go on and on.....
>
> --Clint
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Martin <Mvandertak@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > " I guess it's to ensure that 'members of good standing' only get to
> attend. Which Radha obviously does not think you are. "
>
> >
>
> > Meaning she is discriminating on "caste" and in violence of the
> objectives of the TS...
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> > From: Spirituality <mail@...>
>
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>
>
> > Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 4:10:15 PM
>
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
>
> >
>
> > Hi Preethi,
>
> >
>
> > Actually, it's not a given that every TS member can automatically stay at
> the Adyar Centre. For international members there's a lot of bureaucratic
> hassle to be able to stay there. People don't just have to prove they are
> members, they have to have the explicit approval of their national section
> to be able to stay over.
>
> >
>
> > At least, that was the procedure for Dutch members when I went to Adyar
> ten years ago.
>
> >
>
> > I guess it's to ensure that 'members of good standing' only get to
> attend. Which Radha obviously does not think you are.
>
> >
>
> > Just because we pay a bit for its upkeep, does not mean it's a hotel at
> which every member automatically has admittance.
>
> >
>
> > Katinka Hesselink
>
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