Theos-Talk Archives (January 2010 Message tt00024)

Dear friends

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Now Dan Brown the author of "The Da Vinci Code" a few month back released another of his strange books named "The Lost Symbol" covering aspects of Masonry and a 33rd Mason. And therefore the Masonry and Sct. Germain issue might be interesting to write a bit about. Also when some persons find the Count of Sct. Germain to be interesting and even involved with Masonry. 

The Lost Symbol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Symbol

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1.

The Portrait of John King - 1875:
http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/images/johnking.jpg

H. P. Blavatsky said:
"* It implies that the "Central point" is not limited to one individual, however perfect. That the Principle (God) is in Humanity, and Humanity, as all the rest, is in it, like drops of water are in the Ocean, the four ends being toward the four cardinal points, hence losing themselves in infinity."

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" The Swastica is certainly one of the oldest symbols of the Ancient Races. In our century, says Kenneth R. H. Mackenzie (Royal Masonic Cyclopodia) it (the Swastica) "has survived in the form of the mallet" in the Masonic Fraternity. Among the many "meanings" the author gives of it, we do not find, however, the most important one, masons evidently not knowing it."
(Secret Doctrine Vol. II, p. 556)

" Interpreted with the help of merely the symbolical key, Enoch is the type of the dual nature of man - spiritual and physical. Hence he occupies the centre of the astronomical cross (given by Eliphas Levi from a secret work), which is a six-pointed star, "the Adonai.""
(Secret Doctrine Vol. II, p. 533)


M. Sufilight says:
And we know that Enoch was Edris or Idris or the hidden Master of the Masters also known as Khidr or Kizr in the Middle East and Manu, Elias, Thoth, Enoch, Varuna, Hizir, Khadir, Hermes, Pir Badar, or Raja.
Khidr is mentioned in the misunderstood Quran. And Enoch in the dangeorus Bible. Etc. etc.


2.
ALICE A. BAILEY and her TIBETAN

Alice A. Bailey said claimed that Count St. Germain was guardian of Masonry:
""The Masonic Movement when it can be divorced from politics and social ends and from its present paralyzing condition of inertia, will meet the need of those who can, and should, wield power. It is the custodian of the law; it is the home of the Mysteries and the seat of initiation. It holds in its symbolism the ritual of Deity, and the way of salvation is pictorially preserved in its work. The methods of Deity are demonstrated in its Temples, and under the All-seeing Eye the work can go forward. It is a far more occult organization than can be realized, and is intended to be the training school for the coming advanced occultists."
(AAB The Externalization of the Hierarchy, p. 511)

Alice A. Bailey said :
"These three grades of appreciation or of comprehension of the initiatory process are hinted at in the Masonic Work. The ceremonial aspect can be related to the degrees of Entered Apprentice and of Fellow Craft, plus certain little-practiced degrees, as for instance that of Mark Mason degree and one or two others; these are expansions of the implied teaching. The initiations, covered by the term symbolic representation, find their first hint in the sublime third degree, that of Master Mason, in the Holy Royal Arch and in one or two succeeding degrees; the higher degrees of the Scottish Rite constitute a vague and nebulous attempt to hold before the Masons of the world those expansions of consciousness and of growth into the Light which are experienced in the remaining higher initiations - those subject to the process called illumination through revelation."
(AAB The Rays and the Initiations, p. 533)

Alice A. Bailey said:
""In politics, for instance, the two-party system is based upon a correct premise, but it is not at present a satisfactory system because of human stupidity."
(AAB Discipleship in the New Age, vol. II, p. 220)

Alice A. Bailey said:
"Within the United Nations is the germ and seed of a great international and meditating, reflective group - a group of thinking and informed men and women in whose hands lies the destiny of humanity. This is largely under the control of many fourth ray disciples, if you could but realise it, and their point of meditative focus is the intuitional or Buddhic plane - the plane upon which all hierarchical activity is today to be found"
(AAB The Rays and the Initiations, p. 614)


3.
FOSTER BAILEY

Foster Bailey was a 32 degree Mason of the Scottish Rite, a Judge and married to Alice A. Bailey, who herself claimed that the Hierarchy had chosen HER among others to forward some teachings given to her by the Tibetan, which the theosophist know as Djuwal Kuhl or D.K. Foster Bailey (A 32 degree Mason of the Scottish Rite). His book "The Spirit of Freemasonry" are being sold by Lucis Trust on their website today Jan. 2010.

Foster Bailey signed himself:
"Foster Bailey 32-degree" 
("The Spirit of Freemasonry" p. 135)

Foster Bailey (A 32 degree Mason of the Scottish Rite):
"We will regard the so-called higher degress as extensions and elucidations of the three degrees of the Blue Lodge."
("The Spirit of Freemasonry" p. 14)

"Masonry was never confined to the white race. It always has been universal. To be anti-Catholic, anti-Jew or anti-black man is un-Masonic and detrimental to the Order."
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"Students of the teachings of Walter Leslie Wilmshurst (1867-1939) agree that he had a more profound understanding of the deeper spiritual values of Masonry than any man of his day in England."
("The Spirit of Freemasonry" p. 143)

(((Try MASONIC INITIATION - by Walter Leslie WILMSHURST 1867-1939 - Chapter IV -
He says here: "Accordingly the Gospels, the Epistles, and the Apocalypse are found to teem with Masonic imagery and allusions to spiritual building."
http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/Wilmshurst_masonic_initiation_fr.html )))


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4.
H. S. Olcott:
"The Count de Saint-Germain and H.P.B. -
Two Messengers of the White Lodge" (1905)
http://www.theosophical.ca/adyar_pamphlets/AdyarPamphlet_No90.pdf

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5.

H. P. BLAVATSKY


HPB said:
"That bastard foundling of Freemasonry, the 'Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite,' which is unrecognized by the Blue Lodges was the enunciation, primarily, of the brain of the Jesuit Chevalier Ramsay." ( Isis Unveiled, vol. II, p.390 - 1877)

HPB said:
"I have never written in all my life on politics, of which I know nothing. I take no interest in political intrigues, regarding them as the greatest nuisance and a bore, the most false of all systems in the code of ethics. I feel the sincerest pity for those diplomats who, being honourable men, are nevertheless obliged to deceive all their lives, and to embody a living, walking LIE."
(Blavatsky Collected Wrintings, vol. X, p. 293, 1889)

"A respected member of our Society, residing in Russia, possesses some highly important documents about the Count de Saint-Germain, and for the vindication of the memory of one of the grandest characters of modern times, it is hoped that the long-needed but missing links in the chain of his chequered history, may speedily be given to the world through these columns."
(Blavatsky Collected Wrintings, vol. III, p. 129, 1881)


HPB said:
"It sounds very grand, no doubt, to be a thirty-second degreeist, and an "Ineffable" one into the bargain; but read what Robert B. Folger, M. D., Past Master thirty-third, says himself in his The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, in Thirty-Three Degrees: "In reference to the other degrees, ive or six in number, which are additional, those (with the exception of the Thirty-third, which was manufactured at Charleston) were all in the possession of the Grand Orient before, but were termed, like a great many others, 'obsolete'."" 
(Blavatsky Collected Wrintings, vol. I, p. 308-310, 1878)



H. P. Blavatsky said:
"If you will kindly refer to my Isis Unveiled (Vol. II, p. 394), you will find me saying: "We are under neither promise, obligation, nor oath, and therefore violate no confidence"-reference being made to Western Masonry, to the criticism of which the chapter is devoted; and full assurance is given that I have never taken "the regular degrees" in any Western Masonic Lodge. Of course, therefore, having taken no such degree, I am not a thirty-third degree Mason. In a private note, also in your most recent editorial, you state that you find yourself taken to task by various Masons, among them one who has taken thirty-three degrees-which include the "Ineffable"-for what you said about me. My Masonic experience-if you will so term membership in several Eastern Masonic Fraternities and Esoteric Brotherhoods-is confined to the Orient. But, nevertheless, this neither prevents my knowing, in common with all Eastern "Masons," everything connected with Western Masonry (including the numberless humbugs that have been imposed upon the Craft during the last half century)"
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"Let no one object to this assertion which is a well-established fact. I take the opportunity of reminding the Masonic Gentlemen who might read this, that, as far as esoteric Masonry is concerned, nearly all its secrets have disappeared since Elias Ashmole and his immediate successors. If they try to contradict us, we will tell them, as Job did: "Thine own mouth condemneth thee and not I: yea, thine own lips testify against thee" (xv, 6).
Our greatest secrets used to be taught in the Masonic lodges the world over. But their Grand Masters and Gurus perished one after the other, and what remained written in secret manuscripts-like the one of Nicholas Stone, for instance, destroyed in 1720 by conscientious brethren-was reduced to ashes between the end of the XVIIth and the beginning of the XVIIIth century in England, as well as on the continent.*
Why such destruction?
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* [This is what Mackey's Encyclopaedia of Freemasonry (1929), Vol. II, p. 970, says about it:
"This manuscript is no longer in existence, having been one of those which was destroyed, in 1720, by some too scrupulous Brethren. Brother Preston (1792 edition, p. 167) describes it as 'an old manuscript, which was destroyed with many others in 1720, said to have been in the possession of Nicholas Stone, a curious sculptor under Inigo Jones.' Preston gives, however, an extract from it, which details the affection borne by Saint Alban for the Freemasons, the wages he gave them, and the Charter which he obtained from the King to hold a General Assembly. Anderson (Constitutions, 1738, p. 99) who calls Stone the Warden of Inigo Jones, intimates that he wrote the manuscript, and gives it as authority for a statement that in 1607 Jones held the Quarterly Communications. The extract made by Preston, and the brief reference by Anderson, are all that is left of the Stone Manuscript." -Compiler.] 
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Certain brethren in England have said from mouth to ear that the destruction was the result of a shameful pact between certain Masons and the Church. An aged "brother," a great Kabbalist, has just died here, whose grandfather, a renowned Mason, was an intimate friend of Count de Saint-Germain, when the latter was sent, it is said, by Louis XV, to England, in 1760, to negotiate peace between the two countries. The Count de Saint-Germain left in the hands of this Mason certain documents relating to the history of Masonry, and containing the key to more than one misunderstood mystery. He did so on the condition that these documents would become the secret heritage of all those descendants of the Kabbalists who became Masons. These papers, however, were of value to but two Masons: the father and the son who has just died, and they will be of no use to anyone else in Europe. Before his death, the precious documents were left with an Oriental (a Hindu) who was commissioned to transmit them to a certain person who would come to Amritsar, City of Immortality, to claim them. It is also told, confidentially, that the famous founder of the Lodge of Trinosophists, J. M. Ragon, was also initiated into many secrets by an Oriental, in Belgium, and some say that he knew Saint-Germain in his youth. This might perhaps explain why the author of the Tuileur général de la Franc-Maçonnerie, or Manuel de l'Initié, affirmed that Elias Ashmole was the real founder of modern Masonry. No one knew better than Ragon the extent of the loss of Masonic secrets, as he himself says:
"It is of the very essence and nature of the Mason to seek light wherever he thinks he can find it," proclaims the circular of the Grand Orient of France. "In the meanwhile," he adds, "they give the Masons the glorious title of children of light, and they leave them enveloped in darkness!" *
Thus, if Monsieur Papus copied the Masons, as we think, in his definition of the terms Adept and Initiate, he was wrong, for one does not turn towards darkness when one is already standing in the light. Theosophy has invented
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* Cours philosophique, etc., pp. 59-60. 
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nothing, has said nothing new, but simply faithfully repeats the lessons of the remotest antiquity. The terminology established some fifteen years ago in the Theosophical Society is the correct one, because in every case these terms are a faithful translation of their Sanskrit equivalents, almost as old as the latest human race. This terminology could not be modified at present, without running the risk of introducing into the theosophical teachings a chaos which would be deplorable and dangerous to their clarity.
Let us remind ourselves of these truthful words of Ragon:

Initiation had its cradle in India. It has preceded the civilizations of Asia and Greece, and in refining the mind and the customs of the people, it has furnished the basis for all civil, political, and religious laws. 

The word initiate is the same as dvija, the "twice-born" Brâhmana. It means that initiation was considered a birth into a new life, or, as Apuleius has it, it is a "resurrection to a new life," novam vitam inibat . . .* 
Except for what has been pointed out above, the lecture of Monsieur Papus on the seal of the Society is admirable, and the erudition which he displays therein is most remarkable. The Fellows of our Fraternity owe him sincere thanks for explanations which are as clear and just as they are interesting.
H. P. BLAVATSKY.
London, March, 1889."
(Blavatsky Collected Wrintings, vol. I, p. 310)
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_026.htm



6. 
M. SUFILIGHT - comments and questions

M. Sufilight says:
Now it must be pretty clear that a deviation from the theosophical terminology and teaching - especially on the Divine within each Human - will not be considered in accordance with true Masonry according to H. P. Blavatsky. Theosophy must always seek to avoid: False Masonic keys. Useless Political entanglements and becoming like HPB said a "living, walking LIE". Scottish Rites and the Jesuits teachings about Masonry.


Let me repeat:
"The terminology established some fifteen years ago in the Theosophical Society is the correct one, because in every case these terms are a faithful translation of their Sanskrit equivalents, almost as old as the latest human race. This terminology could not be modified at present, without running the risk of introducing into the theosophical teachings a chaos which would be deplorable and dangerous to their clarity.
Let us remind ourselves of these truthful words of Ragon:

Initiation had its cradle in India. It has preceded the civilizations of Asia and Greece, and in refining the mind and the customs of the people, it has furnished the basis for all civil, political, and religious laws."
(Blavatsky Collected Wrintings, vol. I, p. 310)


IN THE NAME OF COMPASSION WE ASK:
Now we can question the officially proclaimed learned Seekers from the Alice A. Bailey groups to explain and elaborate on whether Alice A. Bailey deviated from this terminology and teaching, and whether Alice A. Bailey actually gave irrefutable proof of Gupta-Vidya to the - whole world - as a Torchbearer of Truth?



> The sound of silence is also an answer.<





M. Sufilight


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