Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00147)

We all can understand the situation better when full facts becomes available
about all the happenings behind the scenes since early last year. My guess
is that we, ordinary members, do not know all about the planning and
execution that went in culminating the allegation that the sitting president
is physically and mentally sick, which was disproved by three independent
physicians' opinion. Don't we all see all the subsequent happenings which
culminated almost all of us losing our right to elect the president. I hope
some day we will get a full picture. I am sure that there is a lot of
information no one wants to talk about. Let us wait and see.

MKR

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:00 PM, preethi muthiah
<seeker_preethi@yahoo.com>wrote:

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>
> Dear me, MKR!
>
> How disjointed are your words below to the one you are replying to!
>
> I thought this discussion is about politics, and here you go talking about
> the internet and old age!!
>
> The question I asked is about the political atmosphere of the TS in
> particular created by a very political president and her aides.
>
> Fraternally
>
> Preethi
>
> --- On Wed, 23/12/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>> wrote:
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> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political
> involvements
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 23 December, 2009, 11:11 AM
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> This is the only forum where one can freely discuss without fear or favor.
>
> This may not sit well with aging members who grew up at the receiving end
> of
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> communication thru a medium controlled by leaders. Internet has drastically
>
> affected the communication medium. It is for the individuals to take
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> advantage of the unique opportunity that is before us.
>
> If one wants to shut their eyes to Internet, who can help. They have to
> pass
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> over and come reintroduced to the world of communication.
>
> MKR
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 8:17 PM, preethi muthiah
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> <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com>wrote:
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> >
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> >
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> > Dear all,
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> >
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> > The Theosophical Society is the most political organization in the world
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> > today. Our current President is a political person. The days when the TS
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> > functioned for purposes spiritual are coming to an end as we get more and
>
> > more political under our current President. So the walls that separated
> us
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> > from the world at large are today breaking up, such that the world within
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> > the walls and those without resemble.
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> >
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> > In those days, we as members of the TS were exhorted to be IN the world
> but
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> > not OF it...today, we are NOT in the world, but definitely OF it. :-D
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> >
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> > Are those the politics that are being discussed in this forum?
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> >
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> > Fraternally
>
> > Preethi
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> >
>
> > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Drpsionic@aol. com <Drpsionic%40aol. com> <
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> > Drpsionic@aol. com <Drpsionic%40aol. com>> wrote:
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> >
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> > From: Drpsionic@aol. com <Drpsionic%40aol. com> <Drpsionic@aol.com<Drpsionic%40aol. com>
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> > >
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> >
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> > Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political
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> > involvements
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> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
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> > Date: Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 5:53 AM
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > yes, the Theosophical Society was seriously entangled in politics during
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> >
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> > the Besant/Leadbeater madness and that is why it is avoided like the
> plague
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> >
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> >
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> > now.
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> >
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> > Chuck the Heretic
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> >
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> > www.charlescosimano .com
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> >
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> > In a message dated 12/21/2009 1:40:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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> >
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> > global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk writes:
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> >
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> > Dear friends
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> >
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> > My views are:
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> >
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> > I have learned that is one does not ask any questions... I have learned
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> >
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> > that is one does not
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> >
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> > So now I will ask this our forum with all its members, among which at
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> >
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> > least some can be called Seekers After Truth and Wisdom, aiming for an
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> >
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> > Universal Brotherhood and Sisterhood.
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> >
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> > 1.
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> >
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> > I will ask about where is the stance on politics today in the
> Theosophical
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> >
>
> > Society, and to what extend are members and the President of the
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> >
>
> > Theosophical Society allowed to involve himself or herself with political
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> > activities
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> >
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> > and political dispuites?
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> >
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> > 2.
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> >
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> > Second.
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> >
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> > ...Was The Theosophical Society entangled with politics when Annie Besant
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> >
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> > was leader of the Theosophical Society, leader of The Esoteric Section,
> and
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> >
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> >
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> > President of The Indian National Congress in 1917?
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> >
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> > I will say, that the following speech perhaos would be a good idea to
> keep
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> >
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> > in mind, before answering this question. I give a minor excerpt of it in
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> >
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> > the below.
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> >
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> > The Preidential Address Delivered By
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> >
>
> > ANNIE BESANT
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> >
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> > At The Thirty Second Indian
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> >
>
> > National Congress
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> >
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> > Held At Calcutta
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> >
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> > 26th December 1917
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> >
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> > "The Great War, into the whirlpool of which Nation after Nation has been
>
> >
>
> > drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid censorship which has
> been
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> >
>
> > established makes it impossible for any outside the circle of Governments
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> > to
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> >
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> > forecast its duration, but to me, speaking for a moment not as a
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> >
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> > politician but as a student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For
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> > the true
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> >
>
> > object of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy, autocracy and
>
> >
>
> > the enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on sure
> foundations
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> >
>
> > the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every Nation,
> and
>
> >
>
> > the similar right of the Individual, of the smaller Self, so far as is
>
> >
>
> > consistent with the welfare of the larger Self of the Nation. The forces
>
> > which
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> >
>
> > make for the prolongation of autocracy-the rule of one-and the even
>
> > deadlier
>
> >
>
> > bureaucracy- "The Great War, into the whirlpool of which Nation after
>
> > Nation
>
> >
>
> > has been drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid censorship
> which
>
> >
>
> > has been established makes it impossible for any outside the circle of
>
> >
>
> > Governments to forecast its duration, but to me, speaking for a moment
> not
>
> > as
>
> >
>
> > a politician but as a student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure.
> For
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > the true object of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy,
>
> >
>
> > autocracy and the enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on
>
> > sure
>
> >
>
> > foundations the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of
> every
>
> >
>
> > Nation, and the similar right of the I
>
> >
>
> > Autocracy and bureaucracy must perish utterly, in East and West, and, in
>
> >
>
> > order that their germs may not re-sprout in the future, they must be
>
> >
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> > discredited in the minds of men. They must be proved to be less efficient
>
> > than the
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> >
>
> > Governments of Free Peoples, even in their favourite work of War, and
>
> >
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> > their iron machinery-which at first brings outer prosperity and
>
> > success-must be
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> >
>
> > shown to be less lasting and effective than the living and flexible
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> >
>
> > organisations of democratic Peoples. They must be proved failures before
>
> > the
>
> >
>
> > world, so that the glamour of superficial successes may be destroyed for
>
> > ever.
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> >
>
> > They have had their day and their place in evolution, and have done their
>
> >
>
> > educative work. Now they are out-of-date, unfit for survival, and must
>
> > vanish
>
> >
>
> > away."
>
> >
>
> > .......
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> >
>
> > "Since 1885, the Congress has constantly protested against the
>
> >
>
> > ever-increasing military expenditure, but the voice of the Congress was
>
> > supposed to be
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> >
>
> > the voice of sedition and of class ambition, instead of being, as it was
>
> >
>
> > the voice of educated Indians, the most truly patriotic and loyal class
> of
>
> >
>
> > the population."
>
> >
>
> > .......
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> >
>
> > "LOSS OF BELIEF IN THE SUPERIORITY OF WHITE RACES
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> >
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> > The undermining of this belief dates from the spreading of the Arya Samaj
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> >
>
> > and the Theosophical Society. Both bodies sought to lead the Indian
> people
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> >
>
> > to a sense of the value of their own civilisation, to pride in their
> past,
>
> >
>
> > creating self-respect in the present, and self-confidence in the future.
>
> >
>
> > They destroyed the unhealthy inclination to imitate the West in all
> things,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > and taught discrimination, the using only of what was valuable in western
>
> >
>
> > thought and culture, instead of a mere slavish copying of everything.
>
> > Another
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> >
>
> > great force was that of Swami Vivekananda, alike in his passionate love
>
> >
>
> > and admiration for India, and his exposure of the evils resulting from
>
> >
>
> > Materialism in the West. "
>
> >
>
> > .......
>
> >
>
> > "In the adapted words of a Christian Scripture, it passionately cries:
>
> >
>
> > "What shall it profit a Nation if it gain the whole world and lose its
> own
>
> >
>
> > Soul? What shall a Nation give in exchange for its Soul?" "
>
> >
>
> > .......
>
> >
>
> > "This may seem strong language, because the plain truth is not usually
> put
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> >
>
> > in India. But this is what every Briton feels in Britain for his own
>
> >
>
> > country, and what every Indian should feel in India for his. This is the
>
> > Freedom
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> >
>
> > for which the Allies are fighting; this is Democracy, the Spirit of the
>
> >
>
> > Age. "
>
> >
>
> > .......
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> >
>
> > "And from_ that union shall arise the mightiest Empire, or rather
>
> >
>
> > Commonwealth, that the world has ever known, a Commonwealth that, in
> God's
>
> > good
>
> >
>
> > time, shall put an end to War."
>
> >
>
> > _ (http://www.charlesc osimano.com/ )
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> >
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> > (http://whiskypedia. valeriodistefano .com/Gutenberg% 20Project%
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> > 20-%20HTML% 20-%20vol. %2004/HTML/ 1/2/8/2/12820/ 12820-h/12820- h.htm) _
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> >
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> > 3.
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> >
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> > Third.
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> >
>
> > Is it fair to say that The Theosophical Society today year 2009 still is
>
> >
>
> > entangled with politics because it still highlights Annie Besant as a
> great
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> >
>
> >
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> > spiritual leader?
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> >
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> > Seeking the Truth
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> >
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> > M. Sufilight
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> > _ (http://www.charlesc osimano.com/ )
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> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.
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