Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00133)

Dear Brad and friends

My views are:

Okay.
The Chaldean Kabala are central to most of Volume I of the Secret Doctrine written by H. P. blavatsky. Thus it is of great interest to little me. I recognize my knowledge of it is small, yet I find it important because  this version of the Kabala might be able to explain the wisdom teachings much more clearly than the Western Hebrew Kabala. Especially interesting is Blavatsky comparison between the Chaldean Kabala and the Hebrew Kabala. -

Here we have a diagram of it from H. P. Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine:
http://www.global-theosophy.net/IMAGES2/Blavatsky_kabala.jpg

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Let me add...

Try to read the text connected with the diagram in the Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky, vol. 1 p. 200.
It will tell you, that the Jewish doctrine on the Kabalah are inaccurate and filled with faults when viewed from an esoteric point of view, and that the eastern doctrine is the proper the best known availbale in writing today. In writing. (The Secret Doctrine, vol. 1, p. 200 - http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/SDVolume_I.htm )


The author Idries Shah emphasised the following in his famous book "The Sufis":
THE EIGHT SEPHIROTH
The Jews religious teachings about the Kabalah originates from the Middle East or the East from The 'Faithful Brothers of Basra' or as they are known 'Ikhwan al Safa', the 'Sincere Brethren'. 'Ikhwan al Safa' were a special esoteric group of Sufi's or early theosophists. The original eight Sephiroth elements of the Cabala was changed to teen by a Jew around the middle of the 11th century. All this according to an earlier edition of the Jews very own "The Jewish Encyclopaedia" from 1905.

Yet we also know that the Kabala is older than this.


THE KABALAH AND THE KABALISTS by Blavatsky
"Lastly, the profane reader should learn the difference between the Kabalah and the Kabalistic works, before he is made to face other arguments. For the Kabalah is no special volume, nor is it even a system. It consists of seven different systems applied to seven different interpretations of any given Esoteric work or subject. These systems were always transmitted orally by one generation of Initiates to another, under the pledge of the Sodalian oath, and they have never been recorded in writing by any one. Those who speak of translating the Kabalah into this or another tongue may as well talk of translating the wordless signal-chants of the Bedouin brigands into some particular language. Kabalah, as a word, is derived from the root Kbl (Kebel) "to hand over," or "to receive" orally. It is erroneous to say, as Kenneth Mackenzie does in his Royal Masonic CyclopÃdia, that "the doctrine of the Kabalah refers to the system handed down by oral transmission, and is nearly allied to tradition"; for in this sentence the first proposition only is true, while the second is not. It is not allied to "tradition" but to the seven veils or the seven truths, orally revealed at Initiation. Of these methods, pertaining to the universal pictorial languages--meaning by "pictorial" any cipher, number, symbol, or other glyph that can be represented, whether objectively or subjectively (mentally)--three only exist at present in the Jewish system.13 Thus, if Kabalah as a word is Hebrew, the system itself is no more Jewish than is sunlight; it is universal.
    On the other hand, the Jews can claim the Zohar, Sepher Yetzirah (Book of Creation), Sepher Dzeniuta, and a few others, as their own undeniable property and as Kabalistic works."
    (http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/KabalahAndTheKabalists.htm) 


H. P. Blavatsky said:
"One word more and I have done. I am repeatedly asked to show my authority--book, page and verse--for the esoteric doctrine of the "Septenary." This is like saying to one in the midst of a desert prove to me that water is full of infusoria when there is no microscope to be got. Better than any one, those who make such a claim upon me, know that outside of the few places where secret MSS. are stored for ages, no esoteric doctrines were ever written and plainly explained; otherwise they would have lost long ago their very name. There is such a thing as an "unwritten" Kabbala, as well as a written one, even in the West. Many things are orally explained, and always have been. Nevertheless, hints and allusions to it are numerous and scattered throughout the exoteric scriptures, and the classification depends, of course, on the school that interprets it, and still more upon personal intuition and conception. The question is not whether there are three, five or seven colours in the rays of the spectrum, for every one knows there are in fact and nature, but one--the colourless white. And, though Science discerns very plainly seven prismatic rays as clear as are the seven notes in the scale; yet, one has heard of very great men of science who insisted there were only four or five until it was found out that they were colour-blind."
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/Tetragrammaton.htm

"THE SECRET BOOKS OF âLAM-RIMâ AND DZYAN 
The Book of Dzyanâfrom the Sanskrit word âDhyÃnaâ (mystic meditation)âis the first volume of the Commentaries upon the seven secret folios of Kiu-te, and a Glossary of the public works of the same name. Thirty-five volumes of Kiu-te for exoteric purposes and the use of the laymen may be found in the possession of the Tibetan Gelugpa Lamas, in the library of any monastery; and also fourteen books of Commentaries and Annotations on the same by the initiated Teachers.
Strictly speaking, those thirty-five books ought to be termed âThe Popularised Versionâ of the Secret Doctrine, full of myths, blinds, and errors; the fourteen volumes of Commentaries, on the other handâwith their translations, annotations, and an ample glossary of Occult terms, worked out from one small archaic folio, the Book of the Secret Wisdom of the World*âcontain a digest of all the Occult Sciences. These, it appears, are kept secret and apart, in the charge of the Teshu-Lama of Shigatse. The Books of Kiu-te are comparatively modern, having been edited within the last millennium, whereas, the earliest volumes of the Commentaries are of untold antiquity, some fragments of the original cylinders having been preserved. With the exception that they explain and correct some of the too fabulous, and to every appearance, grossly-exaggerated accounts in the Books of Kiu-teâ âproperly so calledâthe Commentaries have little to do with these. They stand in relation to them as the Chaldaeo-Jewish Kabalah stands to the Mosaic Books."
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"âWho is in possession of the true knowledge?â is asked. âThe great Teachers of the Snowy Mountain,â is the response. 
These âgreat Teachersâ have been known to live in the âSnowy Rangeâ of the HimÃlayas for countless ages. "
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v14/mb_007.htm





M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brad Crawford 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:15 AM
  Subject: Theos-World Re:Light


    
  Morten,
  I was looking on a theosophical site which quoted Dr. Purucker as stating that the Astral Light was the sixth, most gross, of the seven Principles, or the Etheric
  realm. I don't know just why I thought it important enough to bring up, I guess it cleared up some intellectual difficulties in my own attempts to ,sort-of, 
  conceptualize certain differences beween Hermetic teachings and theosophical teachings, I studied as a young person.

  What are your interests regarding Chaldean qabalah? Is this of particular interest to you, have you studied it to any extent? Also, you specified Chaldean, I
  believe ?

  brad

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