Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00114)

Never underestimate the power of one really angry individual
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
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In a message dated 12/22/2009 7:11:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
mkr777@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
Looking at the past, great changes were brought by individuals.

I  represent only myself.

MKR

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 3:05 AM,  Morten Nymann Olesen <





_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _global-theosophy@global-thgl_ 
(mailto:global-theosophy@stofanet.dk) _> wrote:

>
>
>  Thank you for your answer.
> But, that did not really answer all of my  questions.
> Has there been any official words in print etc. about this  from the TS
> leaders?
>
> Well I ask, unless you as a  Heretic will claim to be an representative.
>  :-)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ 
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> To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ 
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> Sent: Tuesday, December  22, 2009 1:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and  its Political
> involvements
>
> yes, the Theosophical  Society was seriously entangled in politics during
> the  Besant/Leadbeater madness and that is why it is avoided like the  
plague
>
> now.
>
> Chuck the Heretic
>
>  www.charlescosimano  
>
> In a message dated 12/21/2009  1:40:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _global-theosophy@global-thgl_ 
(mailto:global-theosophy@stofanet.dk)   <global-theosophy%global-theogl> writes:
>
> Dear  friends
>
> My views are:
>
> I have learned that is  one does not ask any questions... I have learne
> that is one does  not
>
> So now I will ask this our forum with all its members,  among which at
> least some can be called Seekers After Truth and  Wisdom, aiming for an
> Universal Brotherhood and  Sisterhood.
>
> 1.
> I will ask about where is the stance on  politics today in the 
Theosophical
> Society, and to what extend are  members and the President of the
> Theosophical Society allowed to  involve himself or herself with political
> activities
> and  political dispuites?
>
> 2.
> Second.
>
> ...Was  The Theosophical Society entangled with politics when Annie Besant
> was  leader of the Theosophical Society, leader of The Esoteric Section,  
and
>
> President of The Indian National Congress in  1917?
>
> I will say, that the following speech perhaos would be a  good idea to 
keep
> in mind, before answering this question. I give a  minor excerpt of it in
> the below.
>
> The Preidential  Address Delivered By
> ANNIE BESANT
> At The Thirty Second  Indian
> National Congress
> Held At Calcutta
> 26th  December 1917
> "The Great War, into the whirlpool of which Nation after  Nation has been
> drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid  censorship which has 
been
> established makes it impossible for any  outside the circle of Governments
> to
> forecast its duration,  but to me, speaking for a moment not as a
> politician but as a student  of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For
> the true
> object  of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy, autocracy and
> the  enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on sure 
foundations
>  the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every Nation,  
and
> the similar right of the Individual, of the smaller Self, so far  as is
> consistent with the welfare of the larger Self of the Nation.  The forces
> which
> make for the prolongation of autocracy-the  rule of one-and the even
> deadlier
> bureaucracy- bureaucracy-<WBR>"The Great  War, into the whirlpool of 
which N
>
> has been  drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid censorship 
which
> has  been established makes it impossible for any outside the circle of
>  Governments to forecast its duration, but to me, speaking for a moment  
not
> as
> a politician but as a student of spiritual laws, to me  its end is sure. 
For
>
> the true object of this War is to prove  the evil of, and to destroy,
> autocracy and the enslavement of one  Nation by another, and to place on
> sure
> foundations the  God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of 
every
> Nation, and  the similar right of the I
> Autocracy and bureaucracy must perish  utterly, in East and West, and, in
> order that their germs may not  re-sprout in the future, they must be
> discredited in the minds of men.  They must be proved to be less efficient
> than the
> Governments  of Free Peoples, even in their favourite work of War, and
> their iron  machinery-which at first brings outer prosperity and
> success-must  be
> shown to be less lasting and effective than the living and  flexible
> organisations of democratic Peoples. They must be proved  failures before
> the
> world, so that the glamour of superficial  successes may be destroyed for
> ever.
> They have had their day  and their place in evolution, and have done their
> educative work. Now  they are out-of-date, unfit for survival, and must
> vanish
>  away."
> .......
> "Since 1885, the Congress has constantly  protested against the
> ever-increasing military expenditure, but the  voice of the Congress was
> supposed to be
> the voice of sedition  and of class ambition, instead of being, as it was
> the voice of  educated Indians, the most truly patriotic and loyal class 
of
> the  population."
> .......
> "LOSS OF BELIEF IN THE SUPERIORITY OF  WHITE RACES
>
> The undermining of this belief dates from the  spreading of the Arya Samaj
> and the Theosophical Society. Both bodies  sought to lead the Indian 
people
> to a sense of the value of their own  civilisation, to pride in their 
past,
> creating self-respect in the  present, and self-confidence in the future.
> They destroyed the  unhealthy inclination to imitate the West in all 
things,
>
> and  taught discrimination, the using only of what was valuable in western
>  thought and culture, instead of a mere slavish copying of everything.
>  Another
> great force was that of Swami Vivekananda, alike in his  passionate love
> and admiration for India, and his exposure of the  evils resulting from
> Materialism in the West. "
>  .......
> "In the adapted words of a Christian Scripture, it  passionately cries:
> "What shall it profit a Nation if it gain the  whole world and lose its 
own
> Soul? What shall a Nation give in  exchange for its Soul?" "
> .......
> "This may seem strong  language, because the plain truth is not usually 
put
> in India. But  this is what every Briton feels in Britain for his own
> country, and  what every Indian should feel in India for his._ This is the
>  Freedom
> for which the Allies are fighting; this is Democracy, the  Spirit of the
> Age. "
> .......
> "And from_ that union  shall arise the mightiest Empire, or rather
> Commonwealth, that the  world has ever known, a Commonwealth that, in 
God's
> good
> time,  shall put an end to War."
>
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> 3.
>  Third.
> Is it fair to say that The Theosophical Society today year 2009  still is
> entangled with politics because it still highlights Annie  Besant as a 
great
>
> spiritual leader?
>
> Seeking  the Truth
>
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