Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00095)

Dear all,

The Theosophical Society is the most political organization in the world today. Our current President is a political person. The days when the TS functioned for purposes spiritual are coming to an end as we get more and more political under our current President. So the walls that separated us from the world at large are today breaking up, such that the world within the walls and those without resemble.

In those days, we as members of the TS were exhorted to be IN the world but not OF it...today, we are NOT in the world, but definitely OF it. :-D

Are those the politics that are being discussed in this forum?

Fraternally
Preethi

--- On Tue, 22/12/09, Drpsionic@aol.com <Drpsionic@aol.com> wrote:

From: Drpsionic@aol.com <Drpsionic@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political involvements
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 5:53 AM







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      yes, the Theosophical Society was seriously entangled in politics during  

the Besant/Leadbeater madness and that is why it is avoided like the plague  

now.

 

Chuck the Heretic

 

www.charlescosimano .com  



In a message dated 12/21/2009 1:40:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,  

global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk writes:



Dear friends



My views are:



I have learned that is one does  not ask any questions... I have learned 

that is one does  not



So  now I will ask this our forum with all its members, among which at 

least some  can be called Seekers After Truth and Wisdom, aiming for an 

Universal  Brotherhood and Sisterhood.



1.

I will ask about where is the stance  on politics today in the Theosophical 

Society, and to what extend are members  and the President of the 

Theosophical Society allowed to involve himself or  herself with political activities 

and political  dispuites?



2.

Second.



...Was The Theosophical Society  entangled with politics when Annie Besant 

was leader of the Theosophical  Society, leader of The Esoteric Section, and 

President of The Indian National  Congress in 1917?



I will say, that the following speech perhaos would  be a good idea to keep 

in mind, before answering this question. I give a minor  excerpt of it in 

the below.



The Preidential Address Delivered  By

ANNIE BESANT 

At The Thirty Second Indian

National  Congress

Held At Calcutta

26th December 1917

"The Great War, into the  whirlpool of which Nation after Nation has been 

drawn, has entered on its  fourth year. The rigid censorship which has been 

established makes it  impossible for any outside the circle of Governments to 

forecast its duration,  but to me, speaking for a moment not as a 

politician but as a student of  spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For the true 

object of this War is to  prove the evil of, and to destroy, autocracy and 

the enslavement of one Nation  by another, and to place on sure foundations 

the God-given Right to Self-Rule  and Self-Development of every Nation, and 

the similar right of the Individual,  of the smaller Self, so far as is 

consistent with the welfare of the larger  Self of the Nation. The forces which 

make for the prolongation of  autocracy-the rule of one-and the even deadlier 

bureaucracy- "The Great War, into the  whirlpool of which Nation after Nation 

has been drawn, has entered on its  fourth year. The rigid censorship which 

has been established makes it  impossible for any outside the circle of 

Governments to forecast its duration,  but to me, speaking for a moment not as 

a politician but as a student of  spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For 

the true object of this War is to  prove the evil of, and to destroy, 

autocracy and the enslavement of one Nation  by another, and to place on sure 

foundations the God-given Right to Self-Rule  and Self-Development of every 

Nation, and the similar right of the I

Autocracy and bureaucracy must perish utterly, in East and West, and, in  

order that their germs may not re-sprout in the future, they must be  

discredited in the minds of men. They must be proved to be less efficient than  the 

Governments of Free Peoples, even in their favourite work of War, and  

their iron machinery-which at first brings outer prosperity and success-must  be 

shown to be less lasting and effective than the living and flexible  

organisations of democratic Peoples. They must be proved failures before the  

world, so that the glamour of superficial successes may be destroyed for ever.  

They have had their day and their place in evolution, and have done their  

educative work. Now they are out-of-date, unfit for survival, and must vanish 

 away."

.......

"Since 1885, the Congress has constantly protested  against the 

ever-increasing military expenditure, but the voice of the  Congress was supposed to be 

the voice of sedition and of class ambition,  instead of being, as it was 

the voice of educated Indians, the most truly  patriotic and loyal class of 

the population."

.......

"LOSS OF BELIEF IN  THE SUPERIORITY OF WHITE RACES



The undermining of this belief dates  from the spreading of the Arya Samaj 

and the Theosophical Society. Both bodies  sought to lead the Indian people 

to a sense of the value of their own  civilisation, to pride in their past, 

creating self-respect in the present,  and self-confidence in the future. 

They destroyed the unhealthy inclination to  imitate the West in all things, 

and taught discrimination, the using only of  what was valuable in western 

thought and culture, instead of a mere slavish  copying of everything. Another 

great force was that of Swami Vivekananda,  alike in his passionate love 

and admiration for India, and his exposure of the  evils resulting from 

Materialism in the West. "

.......

"In the adapted  words of a Christian Scripture, it passionately cries: 

"What shall it profit a  Nation if it gain the whole world and lose its own 

Soul? What shall a Nation  give in exchange for its Soul?" "

.......

"This may seem strong  language, because the plain truth is not usually put 

in India. But this is  what every Briton feels in Britain for his own 

country, and what every Indian  should feel in India for his. This is the Freedom 

for which the Allies are  fighting; this is Democracy, the Spirit of the 

Age. "

.......

"And from_  that union shall arise the mightiest Empire, or rather 

Commonwealth, that the  world has ever known, a Commonwealth that, in God's good 

time, shall put an  end to War."



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3.

Third.

Is it fair to  say that The Theosophical Society today year 2009 still is 

entangled with  politics because it still highlights Annie Besant as a great 

spiritual  leader?



Seeking the Truth



M. Sufilight



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