Re: Theos-World Are the Jesuits inside the Vatican still at it?
Dec 09, 2009 09:09 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen
Thanks.
Please disregard my previous e-mail.
Yes. I agree the Vatican are not really very much concerned if the talk are about - self-criticism or about whether someone inside the Vatican misue their powers or influence or performs bad misdeeds. This seems quite obvious.
Cass wrote:
". I do think that Theosophists (through Adyar) should denounce all these scandals, but will it ever happen - I think not."
Perhaps. I will however not seek to "denounce" the wrong activities, but rather just simply clearly tell people why one as a theosophists are in opposition to the Church false doctrines and activities - and do it by providing examples so the problems will be obvoius to all.
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About Masons and Masonic Lodges
The various Mason Lodges today have a the Bible as their main teaching although they will pretend that it is not so. There are in fact secret militant Lodges today. And most of them disallows women, almost like the Vatican. So I will not paint the picture more bright than it is about the Masons. The Catholic Church have after all kept its doctrines and have only very reluctantly changed their to obvious mistakes, like rejecting the doctrine of Heliocentrism. Yet even so, there are real esoteric Masonic groups, but they do most often not use the name "Mason" or similar.
Blavatsky was not a Mason in 1877.
http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/esoterica/blavatsky_hp/blavatsky_hp.html
Freemasonry even writes:
"According to Blavatsky, "The Aryan Race was bom and developed in the far North, though after the sinking of the Continent of Atlantis its tribes emigrated further south into Asia."37"
FOOTNOTE: 37. Blavatsky, Secret Doctrine, vol. 2, p. 812. The Northern lands were the legendary Nordic homeland of Thule, a name later used by the protoNazi group, the Thule Society, which will be discussed below. "
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/hitler_occult.html
M. Sufilight says:
I hold the above quote to be false because of the following words by H. P. blavatsky...
Blavatsky said in Secret Doctrine vol. II, p. 249:
"The Aryan races, for instance, now varying from dark brown, almost black, red-brown-yellow, down to the whitest creamy colour, are yet all of one and the same stock â the Fifth Root-Race â and spring from one single progenitor, called in Hindu exotericism by the generic name of Vaivasvata Manu: the latter, remember, being that generic personage, the Sage, who is said to have lived over 18,000,000 years ago, and also 850,000 years ago â at the time of the sinking of the last remnants of the great continent of Atlantis * (See the Root and Seed Manus further on), and who is said to live even now in his mankind. (Vide at the end of this Stanza, "THE PRIMEVAL MANUS OF HUMANITY.")"
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/SDVolume2.htm
Blavatsky said in Secret Doctrine vol. II, p. 768:
"The Aryan race was born and developed in the far north, though after the sinking of the continent of Atlantis its tribes emigrated further south into Asia. Hence Prometheus is son of Asia, and Deukalion, his son, the Greek Noah â he who created men out of the stones of mother earth â is called a northern Scythe, by Lucian, and Prometheus is made the brother of Atlas and is tied down to Mount Caucasus amid the Snows. *
* Deukalion is said to have brought the worship of Adonis and Osiris into PhÅnicia. Now the worship is that of the Sun, lost and found again in its astronomical significance. It is only at the Pole where the Sun dies out for such a length of time as six months, for in latitude 68Â it remains dead only for forty days, as in the festival of Osiris. The two worships were born in the north of Lemuria, or on that continent of which Asia was a kind of broken prolongation, and which stretched up to the Polar regions. This is well shown by de Gebelin's "Allegories d'Orient," p. 246, and by Bailly; though neither Hercules nor Osiris are solar myths, save in one of their seven aspects."
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/SDVolume2.htm
It seen that the Aryan race was born at the 68Â latitude. That is either north-America or Greenland or Northern Russia depending on how far Atlantis was strecthing in those days. And this will not make it into a Thule. And their origin might not be the right place to search after the Masters of Wisdom. Especially when Blavatsky several times pointed out that they in her time and through many centuries had lived beyond the Snowy Mountains of Himalaya, somewhere in Tibet, and even pointed to Shi-Gatse and Shimla as places where they travelled. And Blavatsky did never identify the Aryan Race with the Germans.
One aim of the Theosophical Soceity was at its begining:
"Whatever may be the private opinions of its members, the society has no dogmas to enforce, no creed to disseminate. It is formed neither as a Spiritualistic schism, nor to serve as the foe or friend of any sectarian or philosophic body. Its only axiom is the omnipotence of truth, its only creed a profession of unqualified devotion to its discovery and propagation. In considering the qualifications of applicants for membership, it knows neither race, sex, color, country nor creed."
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/gfkforum/ourdir.htm#Preamble%20of%20the%20T.S.
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Wikipedia says about Masons:
"Regular Freemasonry requires that its candidates believe in a Supreme Being, but the interpretation of the term is subject to the conscience of the candidate. This means that men from a wide range of faiths, including (but not limited to) Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism, etc. can and have become Masons."
...
"Since the adoption of Anderson's constitution in 1723, it has been accepted as fact by regular Masons that only men can be made Masons. Most Grand Lodges do not admit women because they believe it would violate the ancient Landmarks. While a few women, such as Elizabeth Aldworth, were initiated into British speculative lodges prior to 1723,[61] officially regular Freemasonry remains exclusive to men."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry
Blavatsky wrote:
"MASONS AND JESUITS"
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v4/y1882_035.htm
Blavatsky wrote Isis Unveiled, vol. II, p. 349-350:
"Who was, in fact, the first operative Mason of any consequence? Elias Ashmole, the last of the Rosicrucians and alchemists. Admitted to the freedom of the Operative Masons' Company in London, in 1646, he died in 1692. At that time Masonry was not what it became later; it was neither a political nor a Christian institution, but a true secret organization, which admitted into the ties of fellowship all men anxious to obtain the priceless boon of liberty of conscience, and avoid clerical persecution.* Not until about thirty years after his death did what is now termed modern Freemasonry see the light. It was born on the 24th day of June, 1717, in the Apple-tree Tavern, Charles Street, Covent Garden, London. And it was then, as we are told in Anderson's Constitutions, that the only four lodges in the south of England elected Anthony Sayer first Grand Master of Masons. Notwithstanding its great youth, this grand lodge has ever claimed the acknowledgment of its supremacy by the whole body of the fraternity throughout the whole world, as the Latin inscription on the plate put beneath the corner-stone of Freemasons' Hall, London, in 1775, would tell to those who could see it. But of this more anon. "
.......
"Throughout the whole of antiquity, where, in what land, can we find anything like this Order or anything even approaching it? We owe a place to the Jesuits in this chapter on secret societies, for more than any other they are a secret body, and have a far closer connection with actual Masonry â in France and Germany at least â than people are generally aware of. The cry of an outraged public morality was raised against this Order from its very birth."
.......
"Says Mackenzie: "The Order has secret signs and passwords, according to the degrees to which the members belong, and as they wear no particular dress, it is very difficult to recognize them, unless they reveal themselves as members of the Order; for they may appear as Protestants or Catholics, democrats or aristocrats, infidels or bigots, according to the special mission with which they are entrusted. Their spies are everywhere, of all apparent ranks of society, and they may appear learned and wise, or simple or foolish, as their instructions run. There are Jesuits of both sexes, and all ages, and it is a well-known fact that members of the Order, of high family and delicate nurture, are acting as menial servants in Protestant families, and doing other things of a similar nature in aid of the Society's purposes. We cannot be too much on our guard, for the whole Society, being founded on a law of unhesitating obedience, can bring its force on any given point with unerring and fatal accuracy." *"
* "Royal Masonic CyclopÃdia," p. 369.
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/Isis_Unveiled.htm
M. Sufilight says:
And now people are going to tell us that the new saints of the day named Opus Dei is a mirage, which does not exist?
It is here we disagree. The Supreme Being cannot be a personal God. If one supports the belief of a personal male God there will never be any ending of the strifes between the worlds religions; hence no Universal Fellowship.
There is no compassion in keeping people down in mere belief in an eternal Hell and Pain as well as "Just War", - and on top of it reject the use of reason and wisdom.
I do hope I have made my views perfectly clear.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Cass Silva
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Are the Jesuits inside the Vatican still at it?
I was making the simple point that the Vatican are not concerned when it comes to the average person without any political power. HPB was the voice of harsh criticism towards the attrocities they committed in the past and in the present. I do think that Theosophists (through Adyar) should denounce all these scandals, but will it ever happen - I think not.
Cass
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>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tue, 8 December, 2009 6:03:11 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Are the Jesuits inside the Vatican still at it?
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>Yes.
>I am aware of that.
>But that has nothing to do with the question I forwarded about who Cass referred to as being concerned about the issue.
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Augoeides-222@ comcast.net
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:48 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Are the Jesuits inside the Vatican still at it?
>
>Morten,
>I may be mistaken but I think cass is recalling the scandel about the clandestine "P-2" Lodge in Italy and Britian that caused a widespread scandle more than 10 years ago.
>John
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>Sent: Monday, December 7, 2009 8:20:09 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Are the Jesuits inside the Vatican still at it?
>
>Dear Cass and friends
>
>My views are:
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>Yes. I have heard of and seen through the main parts of the below info. Some of it is not quite true though.
>
>But, the intention with my previous question was that you would let me and others know:
>Who is it that are concerned about those hanging under the bridge you mentioned? The Jesuits or the Catholics or the so-called theosophists?
>
>The theosophists have agents, which are not members of the Theosophical Society or any of its more or less promising offshoots.
>They have as Blavatsky said to remain hidden else "our scheme is liable to miscarry by announcing it to the dishonorable company of Jesus"
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>Are there anything particular you want me to write my views about?
>
>M. Sufilight
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Cass Silva
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:32 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Are the Jesuits inside the Vatican still at it?
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>I can't recall the names of those involved, but a whistleblower on the vatican's paylist was found murdered and he was strung from one of the bridges that crosses the Thames. There are others that have been persecuted. Have found a wiki link which you might find interesting.
>Cass
>
>Vatican & Jesuit Order
>* Charles Chiniquy - (1809â1899) He exposed the Jesuits as the assassins of President Lincoln during the 1880s.
>* Charles Chiniquy collection
>* Josà Rizal - (1861-1896)
>* joserizal.ph
>* Emmett McLoughlin - (1907-????) "Irishman, who exposed the Roman hierarchy as responsible for the excessive crime among Roman Catholic peoples, in forbidding the public school system to teach about the Inquisition, and for carrying out the assassination of Abraham Lincoln." (book: "Vatican Assassins", 2001)
>* Hiram Dukes - (1914-1990)
>* Avro Manhattan - (1914-1990) author
>* toresearch: "He was educated at the Sorbonne and the London School of Economics. During World War Two he was jailed in Italy for refusing to serve Mussolini's army. Later during the war, he operated a radio station called "Radio Freedom" broadcasting to nations occupied by the Axis Powers. For this service he was made a Knight of Malta. His friends included H.G. Wells, Pablo Picasso, George Bernard Shaw and scientist Marie Stopes." [1]
>* to research: "His aristocratic roots meant that he was a Knight of the House of Savoy as well as a Knight Templar and a Knight of the Order of Mercedes." [2]
>* Books linked here: 911:Vatican_ &_Jesuits# Literature
>* Malachi Martin - (1921â1999), a former Jesuit who authored critical books on the Jesuits and the Vatican.
>* Jack Chick - (1924-) comic author, and critic of the Catholic Church
>* Edmond Paris - author
>* Alberto Rivera - (1936-1997. multiple assassination attempts, murdered ) ex-Jesuit general 1997 who told the public about the Jesuit infiltration actions.
>* multiple articles on chick.com (do a search on "Alberto Rivera")
>* assassination info
>* small article
>* google-links
>* todo: Nuri Rivera
>* Tupper Saussy - (1936-2007) artist/musician/ author. Author of "Rulers Of Evil: Useful Knowledge about Governing Bodies".
>* "Finding the lost" (2001), article on his discovery of the Jesuit/Masonic mafia influences in the US.
>* Milton William Cooper (Bill Cooper, lured and shot by police men, murdered) - (1943-2001), author, shortwave broadcaster,
>* audio clip
>* video: The Hour of Our Time - The Legacy of William Cooper
>* video: William Cooper - Behold a pale horse lecture
>* Walter Veith
>* official site (Total Onslaught video series)
>* Jim Arrabito - (1950-1990, murdered?), artist and evangelist
>* "On September 2, 1990, while returning from a photography trip in Alaska, Jim and two of his sons (Tony and Joey) were killed in a plane crash which also took the lives of the pilot and a young missionary from New Zealand."
>* video:A fascinating comparison of ancient religious symbolism
>* video:Jesuit Order Occult History
>* video:The Inroads of Spiritualism
>* video:The Babylonian Connection
>* video:James Arrabito John the Revelator
>* video:Home from the Heavens
>* Richard Bennett (Ex-Jesuit Priest)
>* google-links
>* archive.org works
>* video's
>* video: Vatican Control Through Civil Law
>* Eric Jon Phelps - secret society researcher (Jesuit Order / Vatican / masonic cults)
>* interviews and book excerpts
>* google video's
>* youtube video's
>"Throughout history, the Jesuit Order has been tied together with war and genocide, being formally removed from many countries, including France and England. As researchers claim the Jesuits are the real spiritual controllers of the New World Order, author Phelps has also called for the Order's banishment in this country. However, with more than 28 major universities from coast to coast, the Order has created a strong political and financial foothold here, including secret control of the CFR and control of many banks like Bank of America and the Federal Reserve banking system, making Phelps' call for banishment a difficult if not improbable task." [3]
>* C.T. Wilcox - author and actor
>* Book: "Transformation of the Republic", 2006
>* "an expose of Vatican and Jesuit intrigues and interference into the political structure of the United States and Europe. It contains shocking revelations and fully authenticated documentation, much of it hidden for almost 100 years, to support the conclusion that the United States has been transformed from a beacon of light and hope into an empire with beast-like tendencies and that the world is headed for a Vatican led and instigated cataclysm while it sleepwalks towards the edge."
>* J. Crowley - "Irishman, who, at the turn of the Twentieth Century warned of the Jesuitsâ conspiracy to destroy the bulwark of Americaâs popular liberties â the Public School System â furthering the quest of "making America dominantly Catholic." Authoring The PopeâChief of White Slavers, High Priest of Intrigue, Crowley also warned of the Jesuitsâ power in Washington, D.C. and their plan to use American political and military might to restore the Popeâs Temporal Power in Rome and extend its influence around the world. This was accomplished during the Second Thirty Yearsâ War (World War I and World War II â 1914-1945) and the public schools were destroyed by Supreme Court decisions handed down by a Chief Justice who was an arch-conspirator in the Kennedy Assassination, Earl Warren." (book: "Vatican Assassins", 2001)
>* "Papal Despotism" (Chapter VIII of Romanism)
>* more info
>* Gerard Bouffard - former Catholic Archbishop of Guatemala and Vatican insider. (contracted bone cancer)
>"Besides painting a dark picture of the Black Pope in Rome, Bishop Bouffard claims the evil power of the Jesuits extends throughout the world, including solid infiltration of the U.S. government, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and major religious organizations. "
>* Thomas Richards - a former Roman Catholic who is warning Americans about the evil Vatican and Jesuit hierarchy trying to destroy America.
>* podcast (Nov. 07, 2006)
>* Bill Hughes - author of The Enemy Unmasked and The Secret Terrorists, telling listeners that the Vatican through the Jesuit Order are the real spiritual controllers of the New World Order.
>* podcast (Oct. 17, 2006)
>* Bobby G. Limeta
>* Madelin Murrey O'Hair - " Just before O'Hair, and her family, was to go to New York, to protest the Pope, she and her family disappeared without a trace. Again the media silence was deafening."
>* toresearch:
>* Category:Anti- Catholicis
>* Slats Grobnik
>* Richard Bennett (short bio)
>* Stan West
>* Ralph Moss
>* Tony Alamo
>* alamoministries. com
>Labor Zionism
>Labor Zionism is a Jesuit controlled masonic network, backed by mainly the Ashkenazi Jews, like the Rothschild family.
>For more see: Labor Zionism
>* Barry Chamish (1952), author and lecturer who exposes the Vatican-Jesuit schemes to try and destroy Israel and its Jewish citizens.
>* barrychamish. com
>* Yisroel Dovid Weiss (1956)
>* google links
>* youtube video's
>* google video's
>'Illuminati'
>* Fritz Springmeier (page removed from wikipedia) - Illuminati/secret- society researcher
>* "He has written at least 13 books. His early work focused on the relationship between Jehovah's Witnesses and Freemasonry, later books have the central theme of the organization Illuminati. He claims this organization consists of 13 bloodlines that are Lucifer's elite among humans. This organization has accumulated enormous wealth and controls the world's major corporations and governments. Its top members function like a ruling aristocracy that tries to hide its influence."
>* toresearch: framed?: "In 2003 he was sentenced to 9 years in prison for his involvement in an armed robbery in Portland, Oregon in 1997. This was allegedly done in order to get funds to promote one of his books in Japan but his participation is disputed. He is currently serving his sentence in Sheridan, Oregon."
>* John Coleman - Disinfo agent! Illuminati/secret- society researcher (wikipedia)
>* Tocheck (same person?): "John Coleman, a prominent Jesuit sociologist" [4]
>United States
>
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>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen < global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk >
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>Sent: Sun, 6 December, 2009 9:18:36 PM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Are the Jesuits inside the Vatican still at it?
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>>Sure we have such an impact or influence.
>>Development is just slow, and seems sometimes very slow to us.
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>>Cass wrote:
>>"It is those that are found hanging on Westminster Bridge that they are concerned about.
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>>I ask:
>>Would you expand a bit on why this is true in your mind?
>>
>>M. Sufilight
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Cass Silva
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 1:26 AM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Are the Jesuits inside the Vatican still at it?
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>>We can Morten because we have no social or political impact to enlighten others of their corruption and evil manipulation in the world. It is those that are found hanging on Westminster Bridge that they are concerned about.
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>>Cass
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>>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>Sent: Sat, 5 December, 2009 11:24:29 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Are the Jesuits inside the Vatican still at it?
>>>
>>>
>>>I might add the following.
>>>
>>>H. P. Blavatsky said:
>>>"
>>>It is universally known that this most important object is to antagonize Christianity and especially Jesuitism. One of our most esteemed and valued members-once an ardent Spiritualist, but who must for the present be nameless-has but recently fallen a victim to the snares of this hateful body. The nefarious designs of Jesuitism are plotted in secret and carried out through secret agencies. What more reasonable and lawful, therefore, than that those who wish to fight it should keep their own secret, likewise, as to their agencies and plans? We have among us persons in high positions-political , military, financial and social-who regard Christianity as the greatest evil to humanity and are willing to help pull it down. But for them to be able to do much and well, they must do it anonymously. The church-"Triple- headed Snake," as a well-known writer calls it-can no longer burn its enemies, but it can blast their social influence; can no longer roast
their
>>bodies, but can ruin their fortunes. We have no right to give our enemy, the church, the names of our "Fellows" who are not ripe for martyrdom, and so we keep them secret. If we have an agent to send to India, or to Japan, or China, or any other heathen country, to do something or confer with somebody in connection with the Society's general plans against missionaries, it would be foolish, nay, criminal, to expose our agent to imprisonment under some malicious pretext, if not death, and even the latter is possible in the faraway East, and our scheme is liable to miscarry by announcing it to the dishonorable company of Jesus."
>>> http://www.katinkah esselink. net/blavatsky/ articles/ v1/y1878_ 031.htm
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>>>But of course so who call themselves theosophists would like us to believe, that this was and is not a theosophical teaching today - because a new area has begun since the days of H. P. Blavatsky. - Yet, I see no reason not to mention, that I disagrees with these persons, and ask them why we aught not follow the above views?
>>>
>>>M. Sufilight
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:30 PM
>>>Subject: Theos-World Are the Jesuits inside the Vatican still at it?
>>>
>>>Dear friends
>>>
>>>My views are:
>>>
>>>One of my friends e-mailed this one on another forum. Try especially listen to the secend speaker in this video where Christopher Hitchens are telling something which aught to be carefully considered. At least that is what I think.
>>>
>>>The Catholic Church is a force for good in the world
>>> http://www.intellig encesquared. com/iq2-video/ 2009/catholic- church
>>>I do of course not agree on all what is said.
>>>But, ...any comments?
>>>
>>>- - -
>>>THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM?
>>> http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/TheosophyOr Jesuitism. htm
>>>
>>>M. Sufilight
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