Theos-Talk Archives (November 2009 Message tt00155)

Naturally, the hard problems of consciousness can never be explained by physical mathematics or experimental empirical evidence...

So, maybe we should look more closely at my infinite dimensional, fractal geometric, holographic theory of cosmogensis** -- that starts with both potential consciousness and â[ matter (infinite spin momentum) being fundamental qualities of unconditioned zero-point absolute space at zero degrees K -- and located everywhere in the Planck vacuum of the total initial hyper-spherical (toroidal double helix spiral vortex) space-time field on the physical plane...

All the rest follows by simple deduction (based on fundamental cyclic law, harmonic fractal geometry, and electrodynamics -- until the physical phase level is reached and symmetry breaks -- when mathematical end experimental physics takes over... And perhaps finds that there are multiple dimensions on the physical level of total cosmic space-time... Although, I doubt they will ever be able to prove it experimentally or with their renormalized math -- based on the assumption that zero-point space, while having infinite spin momentum or G-force of potential energy (of which this entire universe is only a small part) has no real existence. ;-)  

But, rather than call this model "panpsychism," I prefer Serge Patlavsky's nomenclature, "pan experientialism"... Since all particle-wave forms at any frequency-energy phase level -- although they each have a ZP center of potential awareness and will -- can't think or act intentionally.

To clarify some of your objections and misinterpretations... I consider that subjective consciousness (awareness, will, qualia, etc.) must be absolutely stationary relative to the modulated wave interference patterned information it must detect, holographically reconstruct, and discriminate between the subtlest frequency differences of the images it perceives. This image information is carried by wave interference patterns on the radiant energy fields of both mind and memory.   

The only aspect of total space that could maintain such a perfectly static state, and still be located everywhere at every possible central point of view of the surrounding spherical universe -- would be the absolute zero-point at the center of the spin momentum singularity which underlies and generates all radiant electromagnetic, information carrying fields and each of their particle (spherical standing wave) forms.

This is also the basis of the holographic universe -- since not only would every zero-point singularity contain all the infinite structural information of the entire universe -- but all such radiant fields, located everywhere, would interpenetrate each other... And, thus, would also be inductively resonant with each other, as well as with all their individual fractal involved harmonic fields... Which, in the overall cosmos, would range in frequencies between zero and infinite. Thus, all the higher order fields with harmonic frequency phase orders greater than the electromagnetic spectrum on the physical plane (frequency phase order level) would be entirely invisible to all sentient beings and to our subtlest physical measuring instruments.

Therefore, pure observer consciousness, located everywhere in every particle, composite form, and sentient being, at their exact center of gravity -- is not a function if its surrounding spin momentum (G--force or potential energy)... Nor can it be, in itself, particulate in nature, no matter what higher order field it functions on... Since it exists eternally timeless and dimensionless (as the subjective aspect of mother-father absolute space) outside of all such physical space and time -- beyond even the highest frequency-energy dimensions postulated by the most advanced superstring (M) theories... Which, like all of quantum physics, can only deal with substantial energy fields and their material forms within the EM spectrum, plus the finite compacted fields they postulate in the Planck (false) vacuum, along with their possible higher order harmonic fields surrounding every material form.

Beyond that -- only âthought experimentsâ can explain the subtlest causal nature of total realty.  Such intuitive introspection will show us that there is no need for a big bang or a big crunch... Since, as entropy constantly increases, after the primal beginnings of all fields and forms -- the continuous universal expansion will eventually lead -- after they each complete their inherent cycles of physical existence -- to resolving back into their original spin momentum âsingularityâ of the primordial absolute space ... And, then, to return again, on the next cycle of universal manifestation, involution, evolution, and dissolution.  

Thus, cycles, within cycles, within cycles, ad infinitum -- would have to be the fundamental law of nature.  

When science can accept this and comprehend that nothing comes from nothing -- and that (1) absolute space and its nonlinear spin (angular) momentum is the source of all linear motion of matter-energy, that (2) subjectivity or absolute one pointed (and stationary relative to the perceived information) observer/responder consciousness (awareness-will) is a fundamental quality of that primal zero-point space, and that (3) all cosmic information is contained in its eternal singularity  -- they will finally be able to answer al the hard and easy problems of conscious, mind and memory.

Best wishes,

Leon Maurer
**HOW IT ALL BEGAN
http://tinyurl.com/astrobiocoen


 On Nov 16, 2009, at 11/16/099:47 AM, Philip Benjamin wrote:

Hi, Richard:

 "Implications of a conjectured multiverse string theory in 26 dimensions"  is certainly scholarly. At first glance, however, it does not seem to either define 'consciousness' or solve the problems of linking it with any live organism. Since all organisms are equally subject to the same string "conjectures", even if genetics is invoked, panpsycism is the logical conclusion for which there is no empirical evidence. I will go through it more leisurely. Thanks for your note.
 
Nice to hear from you. All the best
 
Philip
___________
 
 
"IMPLICATIONS OF A CONJECTURED MULTIVERSE STRING THEORY IN 26 DIMENSIONS" is really a scholarly review.

> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:57:08 +0000
> From: yanniru@aim.com
> To: medinuclear@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Quantum Mechanics & panpsychism (reviewed)
>
> Phillip,
>
> We have exchanged many emails in the past and so I think you might
> be interested in a paper I recently posted in Google Knol:
> http://knol.google.com/k/implications--of--a--conjectured--multiverse--
> string--theory--in--26--dimensions#
> that goes from cosmology to consciousness.
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> ---- In jcs--online@yahoogroups.com, Philip Benjamin <medinuclear@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > [Leon Maurer]
> >
> >
> >
> > "As for my own theory of mind and consciousness... It rests solely on
> > the periodic cosmogenesis of an entirely holographic universe based
> > on ZP cyclic angular momentum--governed electrodynamic processes... "
> >
> >
> > [Philip Benjamin]
> >
> >
> >
> > This sounds very good. But what is this entity you call  "consciousness"? If I undrstood you correctly, you insist that it is something 'non-physical' which only Mystics in deep zombic meditations can figure out. However, ZP, angular momentum, electrodynamics are all EM--PHYSICAL.
> >
> >
> >
> > Then, grantng your whatever--version of consciousness exists, could it be that is also physical but non--EM, possessing a granular structure as everything else in the universe you recognize?
> >
> >
> >
> > [Leon Maurer]
> >
> >
> >
> > "With both potential consciousness and matter being fundamental
> > aspects of the primal unconditioned absolute space underlying metric
> > dimensional space... And, all holographic structural and
> > consciousness information being carried as wave interference patterns
> > (on radiant, fractal involved, harmonic magnetic energy fields) that
> > is transformed/transmitted by phase conjugate adaptive resonance
> > analog processes".
> >
> >
> > [Philip Benjamin]
> >
> > Potential consciusness? Potential SOMETHING is still some THING! Ptential Energy is Energy! Your version of consciusness is always metaphysical, while energy fields are always PHYSICAL. Could it be here again your version of consciousness is non--EM physical?
> >
> >
> > [Leon Maurer]
> >
> > ... Thus, the ideal (subtle) hologram on a higher frequency phase order field transforms analogously into the material (gross) holographic image on a lower order field --
> >
> > So, what difference is that from the inherent cosmic consciousness' (upon awakening) willful creation (imagining) of the total physical universe -- that we, as "sparks" of that cosmic consciousness, live in -- and, all together (with every other sentient being) are its eyes and ears?
> >
> > Obviously, then, our joy is it's joy, and our suffering, its suffering. Isn't that enough to make us think twice before we do anything? ;--) Meditate on that.
> >
> >
> >
> > [Philip Bejamin]
> >
> > How does this change the picture? You have simply added "inherent cosmic", "hologram", "higher frequency phase" to what you identify as "consciousness". All these terms are physical. Is your theory "angular momemtum" govrned (sometimes you use spin) or is it "meditation" governed?
> >
> > My interest in looking patiently at these things is to recognnize any possibility to delineate between EM and NON--EM physicalities. What you consider as mystic or metaphysical may be spin--governed extraordinary non--EM particle processes and interactions very similar to ordinary chemistries and the chemial bonds. The major difference will be one is visible and the other invisible.
> > 
> > All the best
> >
> >
> >
> > Philip Benjamin
> >
> >
> > Leon Maurer
> > http://dzyanmaster.wordpress.com
> >
> > _____________________________________________
> > > To: jcs--online@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: leonmaurer@...
> > > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:49:23 --0400
> > > Subject: Re: [jcs--online] Re: Quantum Mechanics & panpsychism (reviewed)
> > >
> > > Ralph,
> > > As for my own theory of mind and consciousness... It rests solely on
> > > the periodic cosmogenesis of an entirely holographic universe based
> > > on ZP cyclic angular momentum--governed electrodynamic processes...
> > > With both potential consciousness and matter being fundamental
> > > aspects of the primal unconditioned absolute space underlying metric
> > > dimensional space... And, all holographic structural and
> > > consciousness information being carried as wave interference patterns
> > > (on radiant, fractal involved, harmonic magnetic energy fields) that
> > > is transformed/transmitted by phase conjugate adaptive resonance
> > > analog processes.
> > >
> > > IOW, since everything is composed of electromagnetic energy fields in
> > > various configurations, all structural information must be carried by
> > > those fields... Thus, the ideal (subtle) hologram on a higher
> > > frequency phase order field transforms analogously into the material
> > > (gross) holographic image on a lower order field -- which we
> > > (existing on that same field) can directly experience,... This is
> > > similar to the way water vapor (gas) changes to liquid (fluid) and to
> > > ice (solid)... Like; idea Ã> thought (+ creative will) Ã> material
> > > forms.
> > >
> > > So, what difference is that from the inherent cosmic
> > > consciousness' (upon awakening) willful creation (imagining) of the
> > > total physical universe -- that we, as "sparks" of that cosmic
> > > consciousness, live in -- and, all together (with every other
> > > sentient being) are its eyes and ears?
> > >
> > > Obviously, then, our joy is it's joy, and our suffering, its suffering.
> > >
> > > Isn't that enough to make us think twice before we do anything? ;--)
> > >
> > > Meditate on that.
> > >
> > > Leon Maurer
> > > http://dzyanmaster.wordpress.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 8, 2009, at 7/8/093:36 PM, Ralph Frost wrote:
> > >
> > > > ---- In jcs--online@yahoogroups.com, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Jun 16, 2009, at 6/16/0911:46 AM, Ralph Frost wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> ---- In jcs--online@yahoogroups.com, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> This letter was found sitting unfinished in my outbox, unsent when
> > > >>>> written, but still pertinent to current threads on panpsychism.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Leon,
> > > >
> > > > You asked many good questions in your last post. Thank you. I may
> > > > address more of them later, but for now, primarily, I heard your
> > > > central request for an account of:
> > > >
> > > > Implementing longer--term memory in the ordered water model.
> > > >
> > > > In the "ordered water" trial theory of consciousness, the neurology
> > > > is seen as secondary to and dependent upon the underlying
> > > > respiration reaction. Taking a closer look at this somewhat odd,
> > > > but also old notion it turn out that the energy flow in the
> > > > neurology does indeed have it's origin in respiration -- that
> > > > respiration is primary and neurology is secondary. Focusing in
> > > > closer on the respiration reaction itself, here simplified to:
> > > >
> > > > organics + oxygen => carbon dioxide + water + energy flow
> > > >
> > > > it also turns out that there are some 10^20 water molecules per
> > > > second being formed (body--wide). This investigator has noticed that
> > > > this incredible internal structural flux presents us with several
> > > > intriguing opportunities to account for some of our various
> > > > *feelings*, impressions and potentially, even our thoughts as being
> > > > "scribbled in the ordered water".
> > > >
> > > > Surprisingly, when one considers the plus--plus--minus--minus
> > > > ~tetrahedral structure of a water molecule, it turns out that,
> > > > within an enfolding field, each water molecule can form in one of
> > > > at least six different orientations (or states). This leads to the
> > > > awareness that for n--molecules forming sequentially in any one
> > > > given respiration site, those n--molecules can form in 6^n different
> > > > patterns (contrasted to the familiar 2^n model). Twelve molecules
> > > > yield 6^12 or 2 billion options. Eighteen molecules support 10^14
> > > > possible associations.
> > > >
> > > > Interestingly enough, given just this small a start, it is not all
> > > > that difficult to envision that repeating vibrational patterns in
> > > > our surroundings actually ought to have a strong tendency to
> > > > "scribble out" similar, repeating patterns in the sequences of
> > > > water molecules concurrently forming at respiration sites. That's
> > > > not magic, it's just physics. Stronger, more coherent signals ought
> > > > to influence more respiration sites. So the quaint imagery works,
> > > > by itself, for free, as if balancing on a knife's edge.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, with slight effort we have awareness of a wonderful
> > > > ongoing flux of water molecules which orient via the influences of
> > > > surroundings into patterns reflective of our experience within the
> > > > local surroundings âÂ" all ahead of any new neural activity.
> > > >
> > > > Then comes the logical question of getting ordered water patterns
> > > > to persist. The short answer is "bound later layers are persistent".
> > > >
> > > > That is, âÂÃresearch showsâÂÃ
> > > >
> > > > http://jn.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/6/2770
> > > >
> > > > that committing something to longer term memory does involve some
> > > > protein synthesis. In the process of linking amino acids together
> > > > to form protein, water molecules serve as scaffolding and become
> > > > âÂÃbound waterâÂà on the surface and within the newly formed
> > > > protein matrix.
> > > >
> > > > The bound water is persistent. Driving off the bound water takes a
> > > > lot more energy than is available at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit.
> > > >
> > > > So, letâÂÃs say weâÂÃre inside a respiring cell and lots of the
> > > > recently created water molecules are in similar ordered water
> > > > stacks and the call goes out to form a protein? Which sort of
> > > > patterns in the ordered water are most likely to get incorporated
> > > > into the bound water layer of the newly formed protein?
> > > >
> > > > Logic and statistics reply that it should be the ordered water
> > > > stacks present in the higher concentration.
> > > >
> > > > Replicate that over many adjacent respiration sites and cells.
> > > > Then, perhaps, interconnect various cells containing the same or
> > > > similar ~ordered water pattern. Then, later, when the same
> > > > vibrational sequence generates even lower concentrations of the
> > > > same/similar ordered water stacks thereâÂÃs no sense, necessarily,
> > > > to re--make that protein/bound water stack again so then, if the
> > > > thought dawns on you, the whole Christmas tree really ought to
> > > > light up... or else, generally, the signal activates previously
> > > > developed cyclic âÂÃgel--solâÂÃ/reactive/interactive/creative cycles.
> > > >
> > > > It turns out, then, that scribbling experience into patterns in
> > > > ordered water and then getting those patterns to persist in a form
> > > > to serve as longer--term memory is all quite natural.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Ralph Frost
> > > >
> > > > http://www.magnetictetrahedra.com/phpshow.php Debye diagrams
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > PS. With the linkage into protein synthesis, particularly here
> > > > entangled with structural coding in the ordered water "bound"
> > > > layer, hopefully, when you consider habituation, association,
> > > > learning, and neural plasticity, etc., you begin to see and feel
> > > > connections. The more repetitions; the more protein synthesis;
> > > > (more bound water); the stronger the memory/reaction pattern. I
> > > > think it's pretty clear in the ordered water model. Maybe it is in
> > > > the other competing trial theories as well. Perhaps advocates or
> > > > other trial theories can flesh out how the connections are
> > > > similarly strengthened, say, in the neuronal, or in the
> > > > microtubular, or in the semiotic, or in the cellular, or ....
> > > >




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