Theos-Talk Archives (November 2009 Message tt00137)

Yes.
But, Berzin is certainly not quite reliable.
He has written som really nasty info on his website about H. P. Blavatsky and theosophy as such (without regard for the begining of theosophy or the wisdom tradition) and connected them with Hitler and the Nazis. I have written som 15 pages with quotes and reference rejecting his non-documented views -  and derogatory remarks on HPB.

Try thede two links among others:

Kalachakra, Tantra, and Their Relation with World Peace
Alexander Berzin
September 6, 2002


Berzin wrote:
"Theosophy, the Source of Hitler's Misconceptions about Shambhala"
...
"Madame Blavatsky regarded all the esoteric teachings of the world's religions 
as one body of occult knowledge, and in the process, confused everything together. "
...
"She encountered fragments of Tibetan Buddhism at a time when European Oriental scholarship was in its infancy and hardly any translations were available. Consequently, she interpreted these fragments within the inappropriate contexts mostly of Hindu Yoga and Vedanta, mixing in freely ideas from ancient Egyptian lore and European spiritualist movements. As her interest was in psychic phenomena and mystery, she stressed the supernatural, as did other early European seekers of the occult in Tibet."
...
"They claimed that although Shambhala rejected them, they were able to contact and gain help from the mystic kingdom of Agardhi that Blavatsky had also mentioned."
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/kalachakra_world_peace/kalachakra_tantra_rel_world_peace.html?query=Blavatsky


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And Berzin flatly contradicts himself in another quote when compared with the above last paragraph:

Mistaken Foreign Myths about Shambhala
Alexander Berzin
November 1996, revised May and December 2003
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/shambhala/mistaken_foreign_myths_shambhala.html?query=Blavatsky

Berzin wrote:
She did not associate the two paths, however, with Agharti and Shambhala. In fact, she did not mention Agharti at all in her writings."

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Berzin wrote:
"Language barriers and a lack of translated materials naturally led to an initial romanticization. For example, the nineteenth-century Russian mystic Madame Blavatsky, the founder of theosophy, popularized the image of mysterious spiritual adepts sending secret teachings telepathically from Himalayan caves to especially receptive persons in the West. This image fired the imagination of many sincere seekers and led to further inflation of Tibetan masters and the types of relationship possible with them. Tibet has long stood high at the pinnacle of the "mysterious East." 

Fittingly, the first contact with Tibetan Buddhism in the United States came with another migration of Kalmyk Mongols. Displaced in Germany after the Second World War, a group of them settled in New Jersey in the early 1950s. In 1955, Geshe Wangyal, a great Kalmyk teacher, moved to America as their spiritual leader. Bursting the bubble of fantasy, he introduced many Americans, including me, to the more realistic face of Tibetan Buddhism."


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I have had it with such accusations.
He will get a private e-mail if no other person or theosophical group is willing. Maybe some of his Kalachakra robed friends will tell him, that he is quite unfair.




M. Sufilight



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:18 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Theosophy compared with "Science and the taboo of psi"


    
  Morten, 
  The link about Tibets survival problems was a good read. Younghusbands Expedition was very comical when reading of the negoiations between theTibetans the British lol! It entirely confused and humiliated the British Representatives lmao. Badmaev was the Mysterious Healer Shaman who served the Czar family and a very interesting person. Nicolas Roerich also sponsored and donated the stained glass windows that were place into the Kalachakra Temple. Amazing that this seems to be a period and [lace where that evil villain USA didn't get involved in lol! 

  Regards, 
  John 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:03:10 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
  Subject: Theos-World Theosophy compared with "Science and the taboo of psi" 

  Dear friends 

  My views are: 

  Seeking to be of service I created this e-mail, which might be useful to some Seekers and potential Seekers after Truth. 

  I found the below to be a very good video. 
  And I can only recommend, that something similar being given out as a comparative study 
  with theosophy at theosophical groups. Of course one can say that there are some important minuses in the video, but its conent are - litterally speaking - pointing very much towards an Paradigmatic change with a tremendous impact looming in the horizon. 

  "Science and the taboo of psi" with Dean Radin (95 min.) 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew 

  This video is stunning and must be a chock to watch for any ordinary Christian leader, leading scientists, politicians and especially leading journalists. 

  You can deny the truth, but it will not go away. 
  And there are more in the below links and words. 

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  From "The Conscious universe" by Dean Radin 

  "Chapter 1: Introduction 
  The psyche's attachment to the brain, i.e., its space-time limitation, is no longer as self-evident and incontrovertible as we have hitherto been led to believe.. It is not only permissible to doubt the absolute validity of space-time perception; it is, in view of the available facts, even imperative to do so. - Carl Jung, Psychology and the Occult 

  In science, the acceptance of new ideas follows a predictable, four-stage sequence. In Stage 1, skeptics confidently proclaim that the idea is impossible because it violates the Laws of Science. This stage can last from years to centuries, depending on how much the idea challenges conventional wisdom. In Stage 2, skeptics reluctantly concede that the idea is possible, but it is not very interesting and the claimed effects are extremely weak. Stage 3 begins when the mainstream realizes that the idea is not only important, but its effects are much stronger and more pervasive than previously imagined. Stage 4 is achieved when the same critics who used to disavow any interest in the idea begin to proclaim that they thought of it first. Eventually, no one remembers that the idea was once considered a dangerous heresy." 
  . . . . . . . 

  "From 1981 to 1995, five different US government-sponsored scientific review committees were given the task of reviewing the evidence for psi effects. The reviews were prompted by concerns that if psi was genuine, it might be important for national security reasons. We would have to assume that foreign governments would exploit psi if they could. 
  Reports were prepared by the Congressional Research Service, the Army Research Institute, the National Research Council, the Office of Technology Assessment, and the American Institutes for Research (the latter commissioned by the Central Intelligence Agency). While disagreeing over fine points of interpretation, all five of the reviews concluded that the experimental evidence for certain forms of psychic phenomena merited serious scientific study." 
  . . . . . . . 

  "In 1987, the National Research Council reviewed parapsychology (the scientific discipline that studies of psi) at the request of the US Army. The committee recommended that the Army monitor parapsychological research being conducted in the former Soviet Union and in the United States, they recommended that the Army consider funding specific experiments, and most significantly, they admitted that they could not propose plausible alternatives to the "psi hypothesis" for some classes of psi experiments. Dr. Ray Hyman, a psychology professor at the University of Oregon and long-term skeptic of psi phenomena, was chairman of the National Research Council's review committee on parapsychology. He stated in a 1988 interview with the Chronicle of Higher Education, that "Parapsychologists should be rejoicing. This was the first government committee that said their work should be taken seriously." 

  In early 1989, the Office of Technology Assessment issued a report of a workshop on the status of parapsychology. The end of the report stated that "It is clear that parapsychology continues to face strong resistance from the scientific establishment. The question is - how can the field improve its chances of obtaining a fair hearing across a broader spectrum of the scientific community, so that emotionality does not impede objective assessment of the experimental results? Whether the final result of such an assessment is positive, negative, or something in between, the field appears to merit such consideration." 

  In 1995, the American Institutes for Research reviewed formerly classified government-sponsored psi research for the CIA at the request of the U. S. Congress. Statistician Jessica Utts of the University of California, Davis, one of the two principal reviewers, concluded that "The statistical results of the studies examined are far beyond what is expected by chance. Arguments that these results could be due to methodological flaws in the experiments are soundly refuted. Effects of similar magnitude to those found in government-sponsored research . have been replicated at a number of laboratories across the world. Such consistency cannot be readily explained by claims of flaws or fraud.. It is recommended that future experiments focus on understanding how this phenomenon works, and on how to make it as useful as possible. There is little benefit to continuing experiments designed to offer proof..." 

  Surprisingly, the other principal reviewer, skeptic Ray Hyman, agreed: "The statistical departures from chance appear to be too large and consistent to attribute to statistical flukes of any sort.. I tend to agree with Professor Utts that real effects are occurring in these experiments. Something other than chance departures from the null hypothesis has occurred in these experiments." 
  " 

  . . . . . . 
  "Beginning in the 1880s and accumulating ever since, a new form of scientifically valid evidence appeared - empirical data produced in controlled, experimental studies. While not as exciting as folklore and anecdotes, from the scientific perspective these data were more meaningful because they were produced according to well-accepted scientific procedures. Scores of scientists from around the world had quietly contributed these studies. " 

  . . . . . . . 
  "The eventual scientific acceptance of psychic phenomena is inevitable. " 
  . . . . . . . 

  "As acceptance grows, the implications of psi will become more apparent. But we already know that these phenomena present profound challenges to many aspects of science, philosophy and religion (Chapter 18). These challenges will nudge scientists to reconsider basic assumptions about space, time, mind, and matter. Philosophers will rekindle the perennial debates over the role of consciousness in the physical world. Theologians will reconsider the concept of divine intervention, as some phenomena previously considered to be miracles will probably become subject to scientific understanding." 
  http://www.deanradin.com/Chapter1.html 

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  Despite the program officially was closed down 1995. The conclusions and results are stille there. 

  It is known, that parapsychological research or PSI research have been and/or are going on in countries like USA, Great Brittain, France, Germany, Japan, China, Vietnam, Izrael, Italy, 
  Hungary, Roumania, Bulgary, Russia, Ukraine (more than 30 countries in 
  the world). (Taken from Russian politician, V.N. Lopatin, head of the parliamentary comission on information ) 
  Try for instance: 
  http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/09/mind_reading?currentPage=all 

  Also the video - Dean Radin: The Global Consciousness Project (about 9/11 etc.) 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnvJfkI5NVc&feature=related 

  Berzin the author on Buddhism have written something quite interesting about Kalachakra and Parapsychology versus Russia: 
  http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/shambhala/russian_japanese_shambhala.html 

  It seems quite certain that at least some politicians or persons with influence on politics takes parapsychology to be more than just superstition or science fiction. (And that the journalists seems to be very much out of touch with this reality.) 

  What do you think about it all? 

  M. Sufilight 

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