Theos-Talk Archives (August 2009 Message tt00167)

Richard,

My model has always pointed to string and M theories as a partial  
confirmation of its fractal involved cosmic spacetime in all its phases.

It also does not deny that all BEC's (above absolute zero degrees K)  
in physical spacetime (if such things actually exist) -- like all  
energy fields in cosmic and physical spacetime -- would be  
essentially conscious at their zero-points of origin.

However, I don't think any of such theories go far enough in  
explaining what aspect of a substantial BEC (if such energetic things  
can really exist in metric spacetime) is conscious.

In my view, subjective consciousness and objective energy are direct  
opposites of each other (with respect to all their qualities and  
potential quantities)...  IOW consciousness is a static quality of  
unconditioned non-metric absolute SPACE, located everywhere... While  
all localized forms of energy are quantities of overall manifest  
spacetime -- starting from the initial highest order (spiritual)  
cosmic fields -- on down through its four four outer and four inner  
phase changes, to its lowest order analogous and corresponding  
physical hyperspacetime (and its corresponding lowest order material)  
spacetime fields)... All logically shown in the symbolic cross  
sectional diagram of the 3-D cross section of the overall  
multidimensional cosmic fractal involved hyperspherical geometry.  See:
http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Cyclic-paths-cosmogenesis.jpg  (I  
hope you can wrap your mind around this, and can visualize where all  
current physics theories have missed the boat. ;-)

Thus, in my ABC model, there is a fundamental disagreement with all  
physical theories that are based on renormalized mathematics -- 
although some are getting closer (but still wallowing offshore;-).

 From the standpoint of the overall cosmos, as covered by this  
theory... Starting from the first moment of cosmogenesis, there are  
infinite manifest spatial dimensions or fractal iterations.  Thus, in  
order for this system to be holographic -- (such that all its  
information or intelligence is contained in each zero-point  
singularity) -- aLL its mathematics must be based on the fundamental  
equation zero=infinity (0=°).

This is the only way that both consciousness and matter-energy can be  
conserved eternally...

And, it follows that the cosmos must exist forever as a cyclically  
manifest and unmanifest entity -- along with infinite other potential  
universes originating, at their overall gravitational and  
electrodynamic field source, on different angles of spherical spin  
axes -- so that we cannot see, measure, or even imagine their  
physical/material natures... Although I would assume that all their  
fundamental laws of physics are identical -- since they originate  
from the sane absolute zero-point.  Thus, their variations could be  
as infinitely diverse as the differences between all the stars,  
galaxies, planets (and their inhabitants) in our universe.

So, I claim, in accord with the ABC fractal field geometry, that  
consciousness can only be a fundamental quality of the BEC's ZP  
center of origin of its singularity... Since, in spite of your saying  
that a physical BEC (above absolute zero) has no metric, it still  
would exist as a limited field of matter-energy within the  
directional and time metric of physical spacetime.  Therefore it has  
a physical 3-d metric within the volume of the overall spacetime  
gravitational field.

Besides, I think a BEC, as the condition of a fundamental particle  
field close to (but not at) absolute zero, is simply a supposition  
based on the mathematics that does not really describe the true  
metaphysical and physical nature of the field.  This could very well  
be due to the phony renormalization of all the mathematics to avoid  
infinite or zero answers... Which, in the ABC model, is the  
fundamental nature of all reality, and the only explanation that  
justifies the holographic paradigm -- which is an essential aspect of  
all QFT, LQG, string, F and M brane theories as they approach closer  
to merging with relativity and QM and becoming a "final" theory of  
everything.

But, they are not there yet -- since their mathematics can only reach  
as far as the finite limits of the lowest order physical realm of  
overall cosmic reality -- which stretches into infinity at the zero- 
point of pure or supreme cosmic consciousness.

Best wishes,
Leon
http://dzyanmaster.wordpress.com/

On Aug 18, 2009, at 8/18/096:05 PM, yanniru@aim.com wrote:

> Leon,
>
> In string theory cosmic consciousness is provided by the BEC nature  
> of the compact dimensions.
> As you may know BECs are not metric and have the collective  
> properties required for consciousness.
> As such they do not have a spherical metric. I have no idea where  
> that notion came from.
> The Compact BEC is located everywhere and its singularities are the  
> source of compactification fluxes
> which are hyper-electrodynamic waves in Vafa's 12d Father  
> SuperString Theory
> I have already told you this. BECs support all consciousnesses.
>
> In fact, you even admit much the same:
>
> "The fact that all such zero-point fields (and their harmonics)  
> must originate from the same unitary medium of the underlying  
> absolute SPACE (which, at zero degrees K must act-like a BEC) -- is  
> the basis of the entanglement of both consciousness and split  
> particle-waves within any overall containing hyperspace fields  
> originating from a common zero-point singularity. "
>
> Nothing is missing from string theory, not even the Multiverse (in  
> a 26d string theory).
> It is actually a theory of everything. If your model does not agree  
> with it, your model is incorrect.
> Even the BEC at temperature extremes has been experimentally  
> verified at Brook haven
> for the case of near big bang conditions and elsewhere near  
> absolute zero and for high-temp superconductors..
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol.com>
> To: jcs-online Study forum <jcs-online@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: yanniru@aim.com
> Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 5:40 pm
> Subject: Re: [jcs-online] Re: Awareness and Space.
>
> Richard,
>
> I understand that the ZPE fields in the Planck (false) vacuum are  
> equivalent to the "compacted" fields you mention.  But since these  
> higher order spacetime dimensions have a spherical metric that is  
> based on *linear* motion -- such fields are NOT equivalent to the  
> zero-point *non-linear* spin momentum or singularity itself --  
> (which spin momentum, only, is congruent with the conscious zero- 
> point of absolute space at the field's common center of origin).   
> Unfortunately all those theories leave out completely, the source  
> of consciousness from their equations, thus they cannot understand  
> or integrate their models with the mechanisms of consciousness.
>
> Obviously, consciousness, as pure subjectivity or awareness-will,  
> can have no motion in dimensional space, nor can it have any metric  
> of time or measure of change in itself.... That's the only way it  
> can act as an absolute comparative reference point relative to the  
> modulated wave interference patterned information carried by the  
> highest frequency-energy order hyperspace fields.  Remember that  
> the  conscious zero-point singularity (as well as all the harmonic  
> hyperspacetime fields that surround it, interpenetrate each other,  
> and radiate indefinite distances) -- is located everywhere, and are  
> integral aspects or parts of a totally interconnected holographic  
> universe.
>
> The fact that all such zero-point fields (and their harmonics) must  
> originate from the same unitary medium of the underlying absolute  
> SPACE (which, at zero degrees K must act-like a BEC) -- is the  
> basis of the entanglement of both consciousness and split particle- 
> waves within any overall containing hyperspace fields originating  
> from a common zero-point singularity.
>
> That and all other so called "non intuitive" aspects of a  
> holographic universe can be easily (with some meditative  
> practice;-) visualized intuitively -- with the help of the  
> illustrations linked from the web-published "ABC holographic theory  
> of cosmogenesis, mind and consciousness" at:
> http://dzyanmaster.wordpress.com/
>
> Best wishes,
> Leon Maurer
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 8/17/095:08 AM, yanniru@aim.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Leon,
>>
>> I contend that your ZPE space
>> is the subspace of compactified dimensions in string theory
>> namely the 8d compact manifold of Vafa's 12d Father Theory.
>> It has all the properties you mentioned.
>> John aka Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol.com>
>> To: jcs-online@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2009 4:08 pm
>> Subject: Re: [jcs-online] Re: Awareness and Space.
>>
>> c
>> On Aug 10, 2009, at 8/10/094:42 AM, ramesam wrote:
>>
>> > In the Experiment, if you observe critically:
>> >
>> > At the very first instance, one will be aware of "Awareness" ONLY.
>> > The attribution of space like characteristics and descriptors are
>> > secondary impositions [when one starts acting from memory (mind)]
>> > and tries capturing what was felt in terms that are familiar. This
>> > does not make Awareness = space.
>>
>> Yes it does. That is, if we append the word "empty" or "absolute"
>> before the word "space".
>>
>> What you think you are observing in the experiment is actually the
>> dimensional space that can contain objects (which you can see when
>> your eyes are open). This is the space (we can call our "mind
>> field") that also can contain the images of imagination or memory
>> (which are also objective "things" since they have perceivable
>> dimensions that exist in time and space).
>>
>> However, since you must observe that dimensional spacetime (and be
>> aware of it) from an absolutely unconditioned singular point of view
>> -- the real timeless and dimensionless or "empty" space that you 
>> observe it from (whether with closed or open eyes) -- is the zero-
>> point of the unconditioned absolute SPACE that has no qualities or
>> quantities other than pure awareness.
>>
>> It is this absolute SPACE "singularity" that is the source of all
>> multidimensional spacetime surrounding every point of observation.
>> Therefore you CANNOT BE the "wide open space" that, although empty of
>> things, has infinite dimensions of space and time... But you MUST BE
>> that unconditioned (static) zero-point (pure) vacuum of absolute
>> SPACE -- which is the "rootless root" (or infinite spin momentum
>> source) of all dimensional space and time... Existing, on the plane
>> of physical matter, as an electromagnetic field-surfaced hologram,
>> with each viewpoint everywhere, being its exact center.
>>
>> Meditate on that... And you will ultimately realize who and what you
>> really are, always were, and forever will be (even if you forget it
>> while your mind is temporarily occupied with other important or
>> unimportant things to do or think about during this short  
>> lifetime. ;-)
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Leon Maurer
>> http://dzyanmaster.wordpress.com/
>>
>> >
>> > regards,
>> > raemsam
>> >
>> > --- In jcs-online@yahoogroups.com, Jelke Wispelwey <wispj@...>  
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Leon,
>> >>
>> >> I read all of your posts with interest (in fact I keep them in a
>> >> special folder) but most of it is beyond my level of  
>> education. :-(
>> >>
>> >> One of your ideas that puzzled me is your equating space and
>> >> awareness. But then I came upon an experiment (maybe one
>> >> of Douglas Harding's?) that explained it:
>> >>
>> >> Close your eyes and tell me what you see. Most people will say: "I
>> >> don't see a thing!" True enough. Yet there is awareness of an
>> >> unlimited empty space together with an I-sense. How else could I
>> >> say: "I see no-thing"? I.o.w. there is space without any boundery
>> >> like a brain-box or a body (just look!), there is awareness of
>> >> that space and a sense of 'I'. All together without any
>> >> separation! (If separated, they would be 'things' and we agreed
>> >> that we don't see any things). Conclusion: Wide-open Aware Space
>> >> is what I AM.
>> >>
>> >> Of course, no imagination allowed when doing this experiment.
>> >>
>> >> Jelke.
>> >
>>
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