Theos-Talk Archives (August 2009 Message tt00058)

Dear Robert,
although I am not the supervisor of karma, I guess it not one singel factor, 
but a combination of individual karma, group karma, national karma and world 
karma.
As a result of the first Jesuit 30 years war against Germany (70% of the 
people were killed) the atomization among the rest was usual.

Both Hartmann and Steiner stated around 1900 often how difficult it was to 
overcome the atomization and get the individuals for a common higher task.
I personally need no compassion, I just show the situation as it is.

In fact, anyone who does with his hands practical work is automatically 
attacked by those who think that theosophy means to sit and chat, chat, chat 
over decades and than as a reward after 30 years of sitting and chatting 
comes the Master and gives knowledge, insight and wisdom. That is really 
believed by adults!! It's not from the comendy channel, it's from 
theosophical lodges!!

Here you have the reason, why Leaders in the past were attacked (and must be 
attacked, not to forget).
When members do not accept a leader because they live under the delusion 
that they can get the teachings from their higher self or from published 
books as the new age mania is also, then no leader will enter such a group, 
also the great ones are always in need to get active workers.

But they seek men and women who can think and not hypocrites of the John 
Algeo kind, who parrot-like repeat phrases like "Be not concerned about 
theosophy. Theosophy cannot be destroyed." and such misunderstanding or 
better half knowledge. Such a half knowledge which leads to wrong decisions 
of the members is more dangerous than no knowledge.
I once talked with a theosphical librarian who did not care for the books, 
but allowed that large parts being given away, sold, destroyed. He quoted 
Algeo, not to be concerned, the masters care for the books and collect them 
in Tibet. Very nice, but I am in Germany and need to study them here and we 
have not the time to begin each decade anew from Adam and Eve.

That is the reason why HPB and masters stated several times, that they will 
rather destroy their TS or such lodges which begin to teach pseudo 
theosophy.
That was the case for example with the theosophcial groups in Germany. 
Several times there were appeals from within and from without to stop the 
wrong way and turn to the right way.
They did not want to listen and so karma was forced to smash then. Sad. More 
sad that they did not learn their lesson and repeat their of errors of 80 
years agao, which are the same errors as 2,000 years ago. One wonders, why 
karma always them now so long to pervert the teachings.

New bad karma is created each day, because the old wrong astral tracks are 
followed instead of the life spending, uplifting right path.

When a leader comes in and assembles those who are ready, good karma is 
created. When the members remain true to the teacher and his/her teachings 
(as teacher and teachings are one and the same thing, there is no true 
teaching without a true teacher), good karma is created and the world gets 
better.

Therfore, action is needed and not lamenting about wrong leaders.
If we are all true to the cause, we need not worry about leaders.
A group true to the cause get's automatically a good leader.

Frank





----- Original Message ----- 
From: robert_b_macd
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Swine flu propaganda in 1976



Hi Frank,

With all that drive and determination, it is a wonder that you haven't 
attracted help. Could it be that brusque German charm? Seriously, practical 
theosophy is the only way out of the mess that the Movement is in. You point 
out how so much more could be done with a little help. Inevitably, depending 
on the nature of the work, that work falls to a very few in any theosophical 
centre. Some people are fit for the type of work to be done, others are not. 
Perhaps we need more groups each doing something different so as to engage 
the imagination and energies of a greater number.

Griping at our leaders may not be the best use of our energies. As you point 
out, we get the leaders we deserve. But, as Blavatsky, Olcott and Judge 
demonstrated, it only takes 3 to create a Movement. If you don't like the 
leadership you have, then start a new lodge, make sure it is independent, 
and then you can practice theosophy as you like. What the griping has done 
is to show that there are theosophists who are unhappy with the leadership 
at various levels. What we need is a practical and theosophical way forward, 
not more griping. However, as most members are probably supportive of the 
leadership, some hard decisions will have to be made for those who have lost 
confidence.

Perhaps a petition is needed from the membership demanding a theosophical 
conference take place charting a new future for theosophy where co-operation 
between the leadership of the various Societies is made mandatory. This is 
already happening voluntarily, to some extent, at local levels. This will 
force the various leaders to face the lies of the past in order to move 
forward. This might even appeal to the "can't we all just get along" type of 
theosophist who is not into making waves. Or there might be other avenues 
that disaffected members could explore. Certainly, your example of hard and 
solitary work is one such avenue, although the lonely battle may not be to 
everyone's taste or abilities.

Whatever theosophists do chose to do, you are right that griping about 
leaders is not "practical theosophy". We need to get beyond that.

Thanks Frank,

Robert Bruce

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <ringding2009@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> you ask me about my work.
> I give you some examples.
> Writing reader's letters to the press, tv and radio stations, universities
> and websites defending HPB and theosophy, when falsely attacked or in
> promoting the teachings to give an alternative view to any topic I find it
> is represented in a manner contrary to the teachings of ancient wisdom.
> Holding lectures, if invited.
> Speak to student of religious science of universities on request (which 
> btw,
> ended with headaches, as they were just laughing and did not understood 
> one
> iota, the mention of the term karma let them rofl and no explanation made
> them wiser).
> Translation of relevant paragraphs to any topic, which met current topics
> and sent them around via email to multiplicators (present example the 
> virus
> debattes).
>
> Speaking out to authorities, writing inquiries to Robert Koch institute 
> for
> example to have proofs of their lies for the record.
> Writing petitions to the parliamants, f.e., when two Tibetan lamas were in
> attempt to receive in 2003 death penalty from Chinese foreign rule.
> My petition was adopted by Bundestag parliament word by word, which 
> happens
> not too often.
>
> I help with information for dissertations.
> Supporting of civil right groups, esoteric groups, attending meetings and
> speak out.
> Re-collecting the 60plus theosophical magazines in Germany from 1884 on,
> thousands of pamphlets, thousands of books in the closer sense, probably
> hundreds of thousands in the wider sense.
>
> This is nearly all I can do without money and co-workers.
>
> Superfluous to say that my little work is aggressively attacked by the
> so-called theosophists, which feel disturbed in their cemetery and
> destruction mindset.
> Local theosophists claim that is black magic to collect newspaper 
> articles,
> in which Blavatsky is attacked. This will support the hate therein I then
> increase bad karma!
> A theosophist in good standing will not read, nor listen to newspaper
> articles which are critical.
> Contrast this with the temporarily closing of the I.G. in London on 
> master's
> orders because they left a newspaper article about theosophy unnoticed.
>
> He, who collects books, must be insane, according to the steadfest
> convictions of local theosophists, which shows, that I do not understand
> HPB, no wonder, because I am too young!
> Theosophy is a spiritual thing and has NOTHING to do with physical books, 
> so
> I am a black magician.
> There were also public requests to destroy the rest of the libraries, as 
> it
> is claimed that HPB ordered that no theosophist is allowed to have more 
> than
> 100 books!!
> A person, who possesses more than 100 books, receive the attention of the
> Masters and as a forfeit they send diseases to help the person to get back
> to the right way.
> The right way is to sit on the sofa and make the most idiotic claims of
> superiodity and importance and the soon arrival of the Masters as reward 
> for
> lazyness.
>
> Of course I have a vision of what more could be done if there where
> co-workers, money and an organziation in the back.
> The more as I have studied later on, after I was puzzled about my visions,
> Katherine Tingley's big plans for a world center in Germany.
> And I notice the hints of Gottfried de Purucker, who has started his
> unification movement in 1931, claiming that the forces of the dark side
> could only be hold in check when all theosophists would work together,
> multiply their energies and would speak to the world with one voice.
>
> This failed so far and the result is the present world condition, where 
> the
> lie rules.
> The virus lie, the vaccinate lie, the CO2 lie, the moon landing lie, the
> nuclear energy lie, the free press lie, the war lies, the democracy lie, 
> the
> 911 lie, the Afghanistan lie, the Iraq lie, the Vietnam lie, the Korea 
> lie,
> the holo lie, the pyramid lies, the bible lies, the cancer/chemo theraphy
> lie, the forest dieback lie, the meat lie, and thousands of lies more 
> which
> are spread on a daily basis in the mass medias and believed by the masses,
> who are held without real eduction and who are not able to think.
>
> Robert, you are right, when you state that people must research and think
> for themselves.
> I as a little man can only saw and appeal to think for themselves.
>
> Internet is a good way a reach people. Attempts to create a homepage 
> failed
> so far with some untrustworthy helpers. A run a homepage and add new
> articles is a task which would need many hands.
> But I send email news around and I know that they are not unnoticed by
> people who are important multiplicators.
>
> Yes, the demons rule in medicine, egyptology, politics, biology, religion,
> press, economy - everyhwhere.
> If I would have three, five, ten or twenty co-workers I could stir up
> Germany and bring the country back to her spiritual mission.
> Steiner said in 1917, that WWI could have been prevented, had there been 
> 50
> or so spiritual co-workers as the dark side had also but 50 or so workers
> who launched the war.
> Samdhong Rinpoche said, Tibet will be free, when 50 or 60 spiritual 
> Tibetans
> would do the spiritual work, but they have them not and it may take
> centuries.
>
> If not a wonder happens, the Aryans will annihilate themselves and
> Europe-America will be destroyed as Atlantis.
> Obviously the same souls are at the trigger.
>
> Frank
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: robert_b_macd
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Swine flu propaganda in 1976
>
>
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> Your post brings up some questions in my mind.
>
> How do you fight the NWO? If the NWO is about information and control, 
> then
> how do you fight that? If we look at cancer as an example of a NWO 
> disease,
> how do we fight it? Big Pharma, naturally, does not want to cure cancer.
> They want to be able to treat it with costly drugs over the lifetime of 
> the
> patient, maximize profit, and financially enslave the populace so that it 
> is
> unable to look elsewhere for help. What can the theosophist do to break 
> this
> cycle?
>
> It is not enough to make the information available, you have to make the
> populace believe that the information is valuable so that they will take 
> the
> time to research it for themselves. This is the great failure of our time,
> people look for micro-wave answers for the problems of our time. The fact
> that the microwave can cook meals almost instantly seems a great thing.
> However, what it does to the food many people do not know nor do they want
> to know. We take the easy path, increasing the poisons in our systems.
>
> How do you get people to start doing the hard work that is necessary in
> order to move ahead? You don't even have to change everyone, merely the 
> five
> per cent. It is this five per cent, the cream of the middle class that the
> dark forces have always feared. They are the reason that the dark forces 
> are
> working hard to create a two class system, rich and poor. If this five per
> cent does not wake up, we are all in for some tough times ahead. Giving
> money for cancer research feeds the Big Pharma Cancer Demon. Trying to
> educate others one on one, doesn't work most of the time, people are not
> interested, in fact it is almost another way of feeding the Cancer Demon,
> the harder you push the further away you push them. Those who try to
> publicly educate others are marginalized and made to look foolish through
> the huge Media Conglomerates. In an effort to help, they only make matters
> worse. Then, how do you change the mindset of the average individual? When
> you preach it is invariably to the converted, how do you reach the
> unconverted? Is there anyway to do this?
>
> Cancer is one of the many religions of our time. Yet as a group,
> theosophists seem to have a higher percentage of members capable of seeing
> beyond the dogmatism of this religion and able to protect themselves. This
> is a quality of mind. How do we get others to share in this quality of 
> mind?
> We need moderate Christians, moderate Jews, moderate Buddhist, Hindus,
> Moslems, all being able to find a home in the Theosophical Movement so 
> that
> they can begin to share in this quality of mind. It is they who have more
> influence with their co-religionists and who over time can begin to change
> things around. So, how as a Movement do we include others? Sorry Frank, 
> but
> I do think organizational questions are important at a deeper level. At 
> its
> basis it is about how one person relates to another. Theosophy should be
> creating self-reliance and leadership abilities, not blind followers. If 
> we
> are not doing this as well as we might, then what can we offer to our 
> fellow
> man? It may be too late for this cycle, but there will be future cycles 
> and
> we will have to learn Brotherhood at some point. How do we reach out to
> others and affect Humanities quality of mind?
>
> Organizations are about how we relate to one another. Clearly, as
> individuals we can bypass the organizational apparatuses and appeal 
> directly
> to one another, but a good organization is conducive to growth. More 
> members
> mean more people learning how to question and grow. In the end this will
> lift all mankind. When people stop investing time and energy into the many
> Religious Demons of our time, then we will have successfully won those
> battles. People must learn to turn their minds away from these Demons, 
> turn
> to the Spirit. How do we do this?
>
> Robert Bruce
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <ringding2009@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Cass, I was not aware of this comment.
> >
> > As cant and hypocricy about "freedom" (which is the terror of the lower
> > self, as HPB would put it) and "democracy" (which is in no way of the
> > people, from the people, nor for the people, but rather a big theater
> > orchestrated by foreign rule behind the curtain) are ruling in the USA
> > since
> > around 100 years or more, theosophy has no place there.
> >
> > It was in 1913, with the tricky launch of the FED, if not earlier, then
> > with
> > entering two wars against a country, with which the American people had
> > never had any quarrel before (compare Katherine Tingley about it), that
> > the
> > theosophic spirit of the high-minded founding fathers was killed.
> >
> > This spirit reminds one on the true Prussia. After the first Jesuit 30
> > years
> > war, Prussia became the most modern state in the world. Religious
> > tolerance,
> > so that the persecuted huguenots of France could flee in large numbers 
> > to
> > Prussia), first compulsory schooling for all in the world, freedom for
> > science and arts, which led to German Idealism, the highest 
> > concentration
> > of
> > high-minded and spiritual leaders in music (Beethoven, Mozart, Bach,
> > Handel), arts (Anton von Werner, Weidenbach), architects (Schinkel,
> > Knobelsdorff), politics (Stein, Hardenberg, Steuben), poetry (the 
> > Brothers
> > Grimm, Busch, Schiller, Goethe, Kleist, Fontane, Brentano, Nicolai),
> > philosophy-mysticism (Hegel, Kant, Fechner, Zollner) , the first
> > administrative court system in the world, where oridinary citizens could
> > suit unjust officials, even the king, and where able to win (think of 
> > the
> > famous windmill suit against the king, compare it with your changes 
> > today
> > in
> > "democracy" to win a law suit against officials), inventors, researchers
> > in
> > such a mass unparalleled in world history.
> >
> > No recorded history in the world has such an output of spiritual energy
> > and
> > new inventions as in th period of 1871-1900 in Prussia.
> > No wonder England and USA felt it necessary to defame Prussia and 
> > Germany
> > and plot two world wars without reason and rationality - "to safe
> > Christianity" (HPB would say - Jesuitism).
> >
> > In an address in 1898 to members of the Universal Brotherhood Katherine
> > Tingley postulates the need of the German scientific learning for the
> > Theosophical Movement.
> > KT's postulate was obviously overheard. Instead incoorperate the German
> > spirit into organized theosophy, most theosophists helped to destroy the
> > spirit in Germany.
> >
> > It seems to Germany it was necessary to lost the wars on the physical
> > plane
> > to bring the German spirit out to heal the world.
> > Note the recent hero scientists Dr. Hamer with his Germanic New Medicine
> > against the cancer conspiracy and Dr. Stefan Lanka who fights as a
> > virologist against the virus lie.
> > Both speak out. Both fight for truth against the dark lodge.
> > They are as original thinkers theosophists, although they may not even
> > have
> > heard of the term.
> > There is a revolution in it. And the brothers of the shadow know it.
> >
> > The point is that with the advent of the internet the dark forces are 
> > not
> > able anymore to suppress all this important information.
> >
> > So in the last analysis the dark forces got a Pyrric victory. The German
> > spirit is still alive.
> >
> > Even when theosophists fail to do their homework and are satisfied with
> > quarrels about posts and forget the main work, the great ones must and
> > will
> > find new ways to bring the theosophical truths to the world. When
> > theosophical groups flop and begin to work for the brothers of the 
> > shadow,
> > masters will help to crush them.
> >
> > Each group has the leader it deserves.
> > Most theosophists do not want a leader with higher knowledge as they 
> > have.
> > So they get no leader.
> >
> > A true leader comes in, when there are two or three together in right
> > spirit.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Cass Silva
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Swine flu propaganda in 1976
> >
> >
> > Thomas Paine returned to America in 1802, and for the next seven years 
> > he
> > lived in poverty and isolation. The great and fearless soul of Thomas
> > Paine
> > went to its own place on June 8, 1809, the year that Abraham Lincoln was
> > born.
> > The founding of the American Republic, which obviously formed part of 
> > the
> > work of the Theosophical Movement, was an attempt to prepare a place 
> > where
> > thought might be free from dogmatic religious prejudice and bigotry. 
> > From
> > the moment of its conception, the United States has had a leading role 
> > in
> > the great drama of human evolution. Washington and Paine were the 
> > creators
> > of this Republic, Abraham Lincoln its preserver. Americans of the 
> > present
> > and coming generation will be either its regenerators or its destroyers.
> > The "moment of choice" for this country will, from all indications, end 
> > in
> > 1975. Between now and then the American people must decide whether their
> > country will go forward or backward. In her Five Messages to the 
> > American
> > Theosophists H.P.B. told us that our Karma as a nation had brought
> > Theosophy
> > home to us. In the Fourth Message, written just before her death, she 
> > gave
> > us the method by which this country might be saved.
> > Be Theosophists, work for Theosophy! Theosophy first and Theosophy last;
> > for
> > its practical realization alone can save the Western world from that
> > selfish
> > and unbrotherly feeling that now divides race from race, one nation from
> > the
> > other; and from that hatred of class and social considerations that are
> > the
> > curse and disgrace of so-called Christian peoples. Theosophy alone can
> > save
> > it from sinking entirely into that mere luxurious materialism in which 
> > it
> > will decay and putrefy as civilizations have done. In your hands,
> > brothers,
> > is placed in trust the welfare of the coming century; and great as is 
> > the
> > trust, so great also is the responsibility.
> > ________________________________
> > COMPILER'S NOTE: The "Great Theosophists" series ended with the above
> > article.
> > ________________________________
> >
> > Next article:
> > Studies in the Theosophical Movement--
> > Precursors of H.P.B.'s Mission
> >
> > >
> > >From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@>
> > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Monday, 3 August, 2009 11:19:42 AM
> > >Subject: Theos-World Swine flu propaganda in 1976
> > >
> > >
> > >Rare CBS docu, never shown again:
> > >http://www.dailymot ion.com/video/ x9mh9f_swine- flu-1976- propaganda_
> > >webcam
> > >
> > >What did theosophists do in 1976 to protect the truth?
> > >Were they almost in coma like in 2009, while the dark forces have
> > >multiplied
> > >their power since 1976?
> > >
> > >Today the dark forces work mainly through the "universities" .
> > >Someone said, that many theosophists are academics.
> > >What does all this mean?
> > >Is there a conspiracy within the Theosophical Movement, which forces 
> > >the
> > >attention of the members to quarrel about organizations and posts 
> > >instead
> > >of
> > >fighting the battle against the dark forces?
> > >
> > >What would HPB do today with the dark NWO forces and their virus lies?
> > >And what would HPB do with the theosophists?
> > >And what would the theosophists do with HPB today, if she were here in
> > >the
> > >physical?
> > >Would they again kick her in the ass as they did in 1885 at Adyar?
> > >
> > >Frank
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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