Theos-Talk Archives (August 2009 Message tt00023)

I don't know what the solution is but as a start the TS lodges could strongly and publicly protest against the Irak War, Afghanistan occupation, mandatory death sentencing, etc.  It would seem that theosophists would need to get involved in the politics of the world - didn't HPB write to the media?

Cass

ps I also think it is about time that Adyar stood up for theosophy against the Vatican's continual attack upon Theosophy as being devil worshippers!  The Vatican knows that the TS is a toothless and silent tiger.

Cass

From: robert_b_macd <robert.b.macdonald@hotmail.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 6:06:32 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Swine flu propaganda in 1976
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>Hi Frank,
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>Your post brings up some questions in my mind.
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>How do you fight the NWO? If the NWO is about information and control, then how do you fight that? If we look at cancer as an example of a NWO disease, how do we fight it? Big Pharma, naturally, does not want to cure cancer. They want to be able to treat it with costly drugs over the lifetime of the patient, maximize profit, and financially enslave the populace so that it is unable to look elsewhere for help. What can the theosophist do to break this cycle?
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>It is not enough to make the information available, you have to make the populace believe that the information is valuable so that they will take the time to research it for themselves. This is the great failure of our time, people look for micro-wave answers for the problems of our time. The fact that the microwave can cook meals almost instantly seems a great thing. However, what it does to the food many people do not know nor do they want to know. We take the easy path, increasing the poisons in our systems.
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>How do you get people to start doing the hard work that is necessary in order to move ahead? You don't even have to change everyone, merely the five per cent. It is this five per cent, the cream of the middle class that the dark forces have always feared. They are the reason that the dark forces are working hard to create a two class system, rich and poor. If this five per cent does not wake up, we are all in for some tough times ahead. Giving money for cancer research feeds the Big Pharma Cancer Demon. Trying to educate others one on one, doesn't work most of the time, people are not interested, in fact it is almost another way of feeding the Cancer Demon, the harder you push the further away you push them. Those who try to publicly educate others are marginalized and made to look foolish through the huge Media Conglomerates. In an effort to help, they only make matters worse. Then, how do you change the mindset of the average individual? When you
 preach it is invariably to the converted, how do you reach the unconverted? Is there anyway to do this?
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>Cancer is one of the many religions of our time. Yet as a group, theosophists seem to have a higher percentage of members capable of seeing beyond the dogmatism of this religion and able to protect themselves. This is a quality of mind. How do we get others to share in this quality of mind? We need moderate Christians, moderate Jews, moderate Buddhist, Hindus, Moslems, all being able to find a home in the Theosophical Movement so that they can begin to share in this quality of mind. It is they who have more influence with their co-religionists and who over time can begin to change things around. So, how as a Movement do we include others? Sorry Frank, but I do think organizational questions are important at a deeper level. At its basis it is about how one person relates to another. Theosophy should be creating self-reliance and leadership abilities, not blind followers. If we are not doing this as well as we might, then what can we offer to our fellow
 man? It may be too late for this cycle, but there will be future cycles and we will have to learn Brotherhood at some point. How do we reach out to others and affect Humanities quality of mind?
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>Organizations are about how we relate to one another. Clearly, as individuals we can bypass the organizational apparatuses and appeal directly to one another, but a good organization is conducive to growth. More members mean more people learning how to question and grow. In the end this will lift all mankind. When people stop investing time and energy into the many Religious Demons of our time, then we will have successfully won those battles. People must learn to turn their minds away from these Demons, turn to the Spirit. How do we do this?
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>Robert Bruce
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>--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <ringding2009@ ...> wrote:
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>> Thanks, Cass, I was not aware of this comment.
>> 
>> As cant and hypocricy about "freedom" (which is the terror of the lower 
>> self, as HPB would put it) and "democracy" (which is in no way of the 
>> people, from the people, nor for the people, but rather a big theater 
>> orchestrated by foreign rule behind the curtain) are ruling in the USA since 
>> around 100 years or more, theosophy has no place there.
>> 
>> It was in 1913, with the tricky launch of the FED, if not earlier, then with 
>> entering two wars against a country, with which the American people had 
>> never had any quarrel before (compare Katherine Tingley about it), that the 
>> theosophic spirit of the high-minded founding fathers was killed.
>> 
>> This spirit reminds one on the true Prussia. After the first Jesuit 30 years 
>> war, Prussia became the most modern state in the world. Religious tolerance, 
>> so that the persecuted huguenots of France could flee in large numbers to 
>> Prussia), first compulsory schooling for all in the world, freedom for 
>> science and arts, which led to German Idealism, the highest concentration of 
>> high-minded and spiritual leaders in music (Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, 
>> Handel), arts (Anton von Werner, Weidenbach), architects (Schinkel, 
>> Knobelsdorff) , politics (Stein, Hardenberg, Steuben), poetry (the Brothers 
>> Grimm, Busch, Schiller, Goethe, Kleist, Fontane, Brentano, Nicolai), 
>> philosophy-mysticis m (Hegel, Kant, Fechner, Zollner) , the first 
>> administrative court system in the world, where oridinary citizens could 
>> suit unjust officials, even the king, and where able to win (think of the 
>> famous windmill suit against the king, compare it with your changes today in 
>> "democracy" to win a law suit against officials), inventors, researchers in 
>> such a mass unparalleled in world history.
>> 
>> No recorded history in the world has such an output of spiritual energy and 
>> new inventions as in th period of 1871-1900 in Prussia.
>> No wonder England and USA felt it necessary to defame Prussia and Germany 
>> and plot two world wars without reason and rationality - "to safe 
>> Christianity" (HPB would say - Jesuitism).
>> 
>> In an address in 1898 to members of the Universal Brotherhood Katherine 
>> Tingley postulates the need of the German scientific learning for the 
>> Theosophical Movement.
>> KT's postulate was obviously overheard. Instead incoorperate the German 
>> spirit into organized theosophy, most theosophists helped to destroy the 
>> spirit in Germany.
>> 
>> It seems to Germany it was necessary to lost the wars on the physical plane 
>> to bring the German spirit out to heal the world.
>> Note the recent hero scientists Dr. Hamer with his Germanic New Medicine 
>> against the cancer conspiracy and Dr. Stefan Lanka who fights as a 
>> virologist against the virus lie.
>> Both speak out. Both fight for truth against the dark lodge.
>> They are as original thinkers theosophists, although they may not even have 
>> heard of the term.
>> There is a revolution in it. And the brothers of the shadow know it.
>> 
>> The point is that with the advent of the internet the dark forces are not 
>> able anymore to suppress all this important information.
>> 
>> So in the last analysis the dark forces got a Pyrric victory. The German 
>> spirit is still alive.
>> 
>> Even when theosophists fail to do their homework and are satisfied with 
>> quarrels about posts and forget the main work, the great ones must and will 
>> find new ways to bring the theosophical truths to the world. When 
>> theosophical groups flop and begin to work for the brothers of the shadow, 
>> masters will help to crush them.
>> 
>> Each group has the leader it deserves.
>> Most theosophists do not want a leader with higher knowledge as they have.
>> So they get no leader.
>> 
>> A true leader comes in, when there are two or three together in right 
>> spirit.
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: Cass Silva
>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Swine flu propaganda in 1976
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>> Thomas Paine returned to America in 1802, and for the next seven years he 
>> lived in poverty and isolation. The great and fearless soul of Thomas Paine 
>> went to its own place on June 8, 1809, the year that Abraham Lincoln was 
>> born.
>> The founding of the American Republic, which obviously formed part of the 
>> work of the Theosophical Movement, was an attempt to prepare a place where 
>> thought might be free from dogmatic religious prejudice and bigotry. From 
>> the moment of its conception, the United States has had a leading role in 
>> the great drama of human evolution. Washington and Paine were the creators 
>> of this Republic, Abraham Lincoln its preserver. Americans of the present 
>> and coming generation will be either its regenerators or its destroyers.
>> The "moment of choice" for this country will, from all indications, end in 
>> 1975. Between now and then the American people must decide whether their 
>> country will go forward or backward. In her Five Messages to the American 
>> Theosophists H.P.B. told us that our Karma as a nation had brought Theosophy 
>> home to us. In the Fourth Message, written just before her death, she gave 
>> us the method by which this country might be saved.
>> Be Theosophists, work for Theosophy! Theosophy first and Theosophy last; for 
>> its practical realization alone can save the Western world from that selfish 
>> and unbrotherly feeling that now divides race from race, one nation from the 
>> other; and from that hatred of class and social considerations that are the 
>> curse and disgrace of so-called Christian peoples. Theosophy alone can save 
>> it from sinking entirely into that mere luxurious materialism in which it 
>> will decay and putrefy as civilizations have done. In your hands, brothers, 
>> is placed in trust the welfare of the coming century; and great as is the 
>> trust, so great also is the responsibility.
>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>> COMPILER'S NOTE: The "Great Theosophists" series ended with the above 
>> article.
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>> Next article:
>> Studies in the Theosophical Movement--
>> Precursors of H.P.B.'s Mission
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>> >
>> >From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ ...>
>> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>> >Sent: Monday, 3 August, 2009 11:19:42 AM
>> >Subject: Theos-World Swine flu propaganda in 1976
>> >
>> >
>> >Rare CBS docu, never shown again:
>> >http://www.dailymot ion.com/video/ x9mh9f_swine- flu-1976- propaganda_ 
>> >webcam
>> >
>> >What did theosophists do in 1976 to protect the truth?
>> >Were they almost in coma like in 2009, while the dark forces have 
>> >multiplied
>> >their power since 1976?
>> >
>> >Today the dark forces work mainly through the "universities" .
>> >Someone said, that many theosophists are academics.
>> >What does all this mean?
>> >Is there a conspiracy within the Theosophical Movement, which forces the
>> >attention of the members to quarrel about organizations and posts instead 
>> >of
>> >fighting the battle against the dark forces?
>> >
>> >What would HPB do today with the dark NWO forces and their virus lies?
>> >And what would HPB do with the theosophists?
>> >And what would the theosophists do with HPB today, if she were here in the
>> >physical?
>> >Would they again kick her in the ass as they did in 1885 at Adyar?
>> >
>> >Frank
>> >
>> >
>> >
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