Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00540)

The comment about the 1980 election coming from the National President
(General Secretary) of the American Section is very important for members
world-wide. It is all the more so because I have never heard of even any
rumors from anyone in all these years. If there are any facts substantiating
the comments, it is but fair that everyone is informed.

As I have stated many times before, I am just an ordinary member of TS in
America and everything I bring up is on my own initiative.

MKR

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On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:29 AM, preethi muthiah
<seeker_preethi@yahoo.com>wrote:

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> MKR,
>
> This is just curiosity again, but why do I get the feeling that you are
> purposefully taking attention away from the scenario at Adyar vis-a-vis the
> corruption practised and endorsed by the President and her relatives to
> things that happened much earlier than these revelations?
>
> Please do forgive me if I am wrong, but are you working for someone at
> Adyar who ensures that you talk against those who opposed the President
> during the recent elections, so that too much attention is NOT focused on
> the corrupt goings-on at Adyar?
>
> I am just a curious member who observes certain things that the "messenger"
> does...
>
> Preethi
> --- On Fri, 31/7/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>> wrote:
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> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Betty Bland's Statement on 1980 Election
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 7:46 AM
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> In a statement put out several weeks ago on a quaint website, Betty Bland,
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> National President of Theosophical Society in America stated:
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> +++For example, the international presidential contest in 1980, when Radha
>
> Burnier won over Rukmini Devi, was also fraught with differences of
>
> opinion.+++
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> No one has heard of any complaints regarding the 1980 election, either from
>
> Rukmini or her supporters inside TS or outside TS (there are many outside
> TS
>
> due to her long time involvement in the revival of Indian Dance and her
>
> activities for Animal Welfare in India).
>
> So this was a great surprise to me and many members around the world
> because
>
> we have never heard of this even in the gossip grape vine. Elected General
>
> Secretaries of National Sections hold important and prestigious positions
> in
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> TS. Normally members highly regard and trust them. So anything they say or
>
> put in writing is expected to be truthful and backed up with verifiable
>
> facts.
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> Having made the statement, is it unreasonable for dues paying members to
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> expect details behind the statement. I wrote to Betty on June 3 inquiring
>
> about it. To this day, there is no response.
>
> When a theosophical leader heading the second largest TS section, makes
> such
>
> statements, keeping silent only affects the opinion members have in their
>
> leader and in turn reflects on TS. Since the motto of TS is There is no
>
> religion higher than Truth, it also negatively affects the TS.
>
> I hope we will hear from Betty soon. Continued silence cannot help her or
>
> TSA.
>
> MKR
>
> visit www.theosophy. net
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM, jasonsriram <jasonsriram@ yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> >
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> >
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> > MK
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> >
>
> > Maybe it is just a case of "see it happened before". However, I agree
> with
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> > your assessment that there was no case of claims of either electioneering
> or
>
> > false or misleading statements from either party as I recall in 1980. In
>
> > fact I was in Adyar in 1980 and have no recollection of rancour or
> ongoing
>
> > spatting as is occurring now.
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> >
>
> > In 1976 she (Rukmini) was nominated to be President of India, a post she
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> > declined. I spoke with her in 1981 about it and she stated she declined
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> > because she had "no interest in political life". So I really doubt that
> it
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> > was anything other that an unwanted result from a post she felt she was
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> > qualified for.
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> >
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> > If Betty can disclose more on the source of her information I would be
> very
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> > interested to know more on this.
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> >
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> > Jason
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> >
>
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>, MKR
>
>
> > <mkr777@...> wrote:
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> > >
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> > > Six weeks ago, Betty Bland, President (National Secretary) of TS in
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> > America,
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> > > in a cyberspace write-up stated:
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> > > .
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> > > +++
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> > > Although no one is contesting the outcome of the 2008 presidential
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> > election,
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> > > the problem remains that the machinations of the international
> elections
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> > are
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> > > unsound. For example, the international presidential contest in 1980,
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> > when
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> > > Radha Burnier won over Rukmini Devi, was also fraught with differences
> of
>
> > > opinion.
>
> > > +++
>
> > > .
>
> > > The comments coming from the National Head of TS in America, is
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> > surprising
>
> > > and need elaboration so that members can clearly understand the
>
> > statement.
>
> > > .
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> > > Dictionary defines machinations as:
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> > > .
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> > > ** a scheming or crafty action or artful design intended to accomplish
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> > some
>
> > > usually evil end
>
> > > .
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> > > When anyone holding a high position in a spiritual organization such as
>
> > TS
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> > > makes such statements, I think members are owed an explanation backing
> up
>
> > > the statement.
>
> > > .
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> > > The second comment about the 1980 election, is even more interesting..
> I
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> > have
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> > > never seen any allegation from Rukmini Devi or her supporters inside TS
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> > or
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> > > outside TS about anything questionable about the 1980 election.
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> > > RukminiDevi, whose husband George
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> > > Arundale was President succeeding Annie Besant, is very widely known in
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> > > India and around the world due to her long active involvement in TS and
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> > her
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> > > other outside activities. If there was any problem whatsoever with the
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> > 1980
>
> > > election, we would have heard them loud and clear soon after the
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> > election. I
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> > > have not heard of any allegation or complaint. I do not know what
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> > > information Betty Bland is privy to that ordinary members around the
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> > world
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> > > are ignorant of. When such public statements are made, it is not
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> > > unreasonable for members ask for substantiation.
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> > > .
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> > > Several weeks ago, I wrote an open letter to Betty requesting
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> > clarification.
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> > > We have not heard anything so far.
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> > > .
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> > > The above situation does not help anyone. Already, level of trust many
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> > > members have in the TS leaders is very low. This was the result of the
>
> > > election campaign and post election ultra secret attempt by general
>
> > council
>
> > > members to disenfranchise members world-wide and seize the power to
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> > appoint
>
> > > the president.
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> > > .
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> > > I hope soon we will get some response substantiating the above
>
> > statements.
>
> > > Due to the nature of the statements, by keeping silent, the questions
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> > > surrounding the statements, are not going to go away.
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> > > .
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> > > MKR
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> > > .
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> > > Visit www.theosophy. net
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