Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00488)

ruptured or raptured?????????ÂÂ lol

Cass


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>From: "Augoeides-222@comcast.net" <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, 27 July, 2009 3:21:24 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar
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>HELP! I've been ruptured and I didn't even get to see God!!! 
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@yahoo. com> 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:40:53 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
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>and so say all of us, for he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good fellow, and so say all of us. lol 
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>Cass 
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>ps My friend Norma has posted his views below on the rapture 
>If you are worried about friends and relatives who are god-damned unsaved sinners, and who might be perturbed when you are raptured, take a look at "raptureletters. com". 
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>You can file a form letter there, with a list of email addresses. A "deadman switch" will send your parting words to that list of addresses within 24 hours after the rapture. 
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>I am intrigued by the possibilities. 
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>"Dear John: Told you so! Neener neener." 
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>"Hey Frank: You wouldn't listen. Now you are sorry. To hell with you." 
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>"My beloved family of reprobates: I weep for your unrepentance. I've gone to the bosom of Abraham." 
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>"Susie: I've been raptured. Call my lawyer for a surprise." 
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>"Mom: I've been raptured. Beneath my bed is a small box. It is locked. Please throw it away without looking inside. Love you." 
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>I am also intrigued by some technical issues: 
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>The Star Trek "transporter" seems to also transport the clothing worn by those transported. I've wondered why. Seems like an unnecessary complication. Presumably one will not need clothing in heaven. I've never heard of a laundry machine in heaven, for one thing (unless they do this by beating their clothes on rocks by the stream, as was done in the old country). So, I suppose that a pile of loose clothing will be dumped on the spot of each individual's rapture. 
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>Unless heaven is one big nudist colony, (a staggering thought), I suppose one is issued one's bedsheet upon arrival. But this doesn't remove the laundry issue. On the other hand, I suppose one does not sweat in heaven, or roll around beneath greasy cars, or walk behind mules. So maybe laundry is a non-issue. 
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>What about bugs? Specifically symbiotic gut bacteria. If the Star Trek transporter didn't bother to transport those too, the troops would soon get ill on the other side. Another complication. How does the rapture handle this issue? 
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>- - Just asking. 
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>- - Norma Posy 
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>A Postscript Note: A "deadman switch" is a device requiring action upon demand. Every locomotive has one. When the beep sounds, slap the big red button. If the button is not slapped, the locomotive engineer is presumed dead (or unconscious or asleep, or perhaps he just jumped off the train â or got raptured ??), and brakes are applied automatically. 
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>I presume an "email deadman switch" works by expecting a log-in once every 24 hours or something like that. 
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>The obvious flaw with this scheme is that the responsible "dead man", whose absense will trigger those emails, can only assume he will be raptured along with the rest. 
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>>From: Antonio < spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk > 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>>Sent: Sunday, 26 July, 2009 1:47:07 PM 
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
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>>there is so much you dont know, so many questions you have. the fact is if you can't connect the pieces of the puzzle for what they are it is because you choose to live in iggnorence. I have seen how everything fits together and how everything will unfold and i know most of the people in this email group are in for a surprise!! but i have little more to say on the matter. 
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>>--- On Sun, 26/7/09, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com> wrote: 
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>>From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com> 
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>>Date: Sunday, 26 July, 2009, 3:04 AM 
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>>What truth and/or change aren't people ready for? 
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>>Why and what do you need to be saved from? 
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>>Cass 
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>>>From: Antonio <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> 
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>>>Sent: Saturday, 25 July, 2009 6:36:59 PM 
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>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
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>>>No it is not important, nothing has come of it. People are not ready for the truth and for change. People want to talk politics and who one this and who lost this and whos attacking who and just wasting precious time in fighting. Its so petty and has made me look on Theosophy as a lost cause at least through the majority of the group that congragate here and chat pure nonsense. People arent willing to change, stuck in their psychological mind frames that do little to create love peace and harmony in this world. I have tried to extend an olive branch i have tried to envoke change and have been ridiculed and laughed at and offered very little support or encouregment. At the end of the day this whole email group is not ever going to achieve anything of significance other then to let its members air their frustrated opinions. 
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>>>The fact is so much is happening in fornt of our very eyes and people just turn a blind eye to it all and focus on less important matters so as not to deal with the veru real and more frightening reality that lay ahead. This is why i have no more patience and time for most of the people in this group. 
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>>>Also i dont assume nothing i am telling you. You have to wait like the rest of us. To see what the future holds and unless you accept maitreya, the new world order will not become a new golden age but a new world order dictatorship, plain and simple and for that we all have to wait, however not for that much longer at all! 
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>>>End of. 
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>>>--- On Fri, 24/7/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote: 
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>>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> 
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>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>>>Date: Friday, 24 July, 2009, 11:29 AM 
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>>>What is rubbish? 
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>>>So It is in fact not important, that you write e-mails here at theos-talk to tell me and others about that view of yours? 
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>>>Why do you assume, that I need to wait? 
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>>>----- Original Message ----- 
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>>>From: Antonio 
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>>>Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 12:24 PM 
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>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
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>>>Its all rubbish mate. 
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>>>The new world order is real and so is the anti christ and so is maitreya... 
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>>>you will see lol just wait be patient and be silent ;) 
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>>>Soon come!! 
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>>>--- On Fri, 24/7/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote: 
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>>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> 
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>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>>>Date: Friday, 24 July, 2009, 10:20 AM 
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>>>Dear Antonio 
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>>>My views are: 
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>>>Nobody aught to merely believe what others tell them. The promoters aught to make their case valid in the eyes of the listeners. 
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>>>It is said, that one can cheat one self into the belief, that the promotion of the arrival of a Messiah is the highest aim to seek. I wonder why such an emotional agenda aught to be the highest or even an important aim to seek. 
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>>>But there was never any founder of TS who talked about any Maitreya to arrive past 1975. 
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>>>There was only a talk about a Torchbearer and a Disciple who might arrive. And that cannot be the same as a Maitreya, but only an agent from the Masters. 
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>>>The original founders of TS are mentioned here: 
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>>> http://www.katinkah esselink. net/blavatsky/ articles/ v1/y1875_ 023.htm 
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>>>H. P. Blavatsky wrote: 
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>>>" In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-Vidya; and that, like the once-mysterious sources of the Nile, the source of all religions and philosophies now known to the world has been for many ages forgotten and lost to men, but is at last found." 
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>>> http://www.phx- ult-lodge. org/SDVolume_ I.htm 
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>>>Now you tell me what kind of Gupta-Vidya teaches an emotional oriented Messiah doctrine, which kills self-reliance within people, and kills the idea of meditation on the Divine with in each human? 
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>>>Silence is also an answer. 
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>>>(Most Alice A. Bailey followers are given the view that their Higher Self is floating somewhere above their head in the aura. - And that God is a male, dualistic and apart from them. To the theosophist, the only real messiah is a non-physical one within their own selves.) 
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>>>Do you still agree with B. Creme that Sathya Sai Baba is a cosmic Avatar? 
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>>>Why should we agree that Sai Baba is a cosmic Avatar? 
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>>>Share International says: 
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>>>"Sai Baba and Maitreya both embody the same energy--what we call the Christ principle, the energy of Love --- Sai Baba at the cosmic level, Maitreya at the planetary level." 
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>>> http://www.share- international. org/maitreya/ Ma_others. htm 
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>>>Silence is also an answer. 
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>>>3. 
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>>>The following I write to correct a common mistake, which some promote these days... 
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>>>on the page you mentioned we have false claim on what the Object of the TS was. 
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>>>( http://www.inplains ite.org/html/ maitreya. html ) 
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>>>If people would do more research they will discover, that the objects given on your page were not written like this, when the TS was founded. The emphasis upon study of Eastern literatur is omitted by the website you are referring to. This formulation of the objects omtting emphasis on the eastern literature only became valid after H. P. Balvatsky died in 1891. 
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>>>Try here on the original Objects of the TS: 
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>>> http://www.theosoci ety.org/pasadena /gfkforum/ ourdir.htm 
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>>> http://www.theosoci ety.org/pasadena /gfkforum/ ourdir.htm# Preamble% 20of%20the% 20T.S. (Preamble) 
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>>>And in 1891 before H. P. Blavatsky died.... 
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>>>(The magazine "The Theosophist" , Jan. 1891) 
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>>> http://home1. stofanet. dk/theos- octagon/ts_ constitution_ rules.HTM 
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>>>Please do not ommit emphasis on comparative study of eastern literature. 
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>>>Will you at least correct that mistake? And do you understand why it is an important mistake? 
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>>>I will friendly suggest, that you did the effort of making a comparative study of Idries Shah's books with Bailey's and B. Creme's teachings. You might learn something form it. 
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>>>HPB said: "We cull the good we find in each."...I.e. each system of thought. 
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>>>(I could suggest first to read these books by Idries Shah: "The Way of the Sufi", "The Sufis", "Learning How to Learn", and perhaps also "The Manipulated Mind : Brainwashing, Conditioning and Indoctrination" by Denise Winn, and "Battle for the Mind" by William Sargent.) 
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>>>M. Sufilight 
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>>>From: Antonio 
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>>>Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:57 PM 
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>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
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>>> http://www.inplains ite.org/html/ maitreya. html 
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>>>Just one of a mountain of sites, like i say people should do their research before they make assumptions. 
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>>>--- On Thu, 23/7/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote: 
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>>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> 
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>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>>>Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 9:32 PM 
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>>>Please tell me and others where this was predicted? 
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>>>----- Original Message ----- 
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>>>From: Antonio 
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>>>Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:26 PM 
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>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
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>>>Do your research, 
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>>>Maitreya was predicted by one of the creators of Theosophy! 
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>>>--- On Thu, 23/7/09, Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de> wrote: 
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>>>From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de> 
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>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>>>Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 12:24 PM 
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>>>o my good human, how do you know that? 
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>>>Are you a clairvoyant? 
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>>>Is is not possible that these negative connotations are in your mind only? 
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>>>You can believe what you what regardless, how childish and foolish it is. 
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>>>In Amercia it seems normal that adult males are more infantile than European females. 
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>>>You can also believe that Maitreya comes together with Michael Jackson. 
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>>>I just say that all these psychic degenerations and atavisms are not theosophy. 
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>>>This information is to protect the innocent and to give impulse to the discrimination power. 
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>>>My information was not meant to heal fools. 
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>>>Frank 
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>>>----- Original Message ----- 
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>>>From: Antonio 
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>>>Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:58 AM 
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>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
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>>>Hi, 
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>>>Your reply is filled with so much anger , frustration and negative connotations. 
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>>>Why would you stop such a beautiful thing from happening. 
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>>>It is obvious Maitreya is on the verge of coming into the world. 
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>>>In true star trek fashion....resisten ce is futile. 
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>>>I would never stop anyone who tries to teach that sharing, love and connected minds is the way forward for humanity. 
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>>>I never block anyones attempts at positive change. 
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>>>Personally i am looking forward to the Kalki world teacher. 
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>>>I am loosing patience with those that constantly beat down the idea of something positive because they fear change or try to repress something benevolent which comes into our realities. 
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>>>Just my opinion. 
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>>>--- On Wed, 22/7/09, Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de> wrote: 
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>>>From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de> 
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>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>>>Date: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 4:10 PM 
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>>>The maitreya fools feel often synchronizing energy - since the 1970'ies. 
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>>>The only problem is that all this flapdoodle happens in their twisted minds only and not in reality. 
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>>>Suffering mankind is not helped one iota with idiotic nonsense, emotional outbursts and neurotic conditions. 
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>>>HPB wanted the kernel of an international group of Jedi warriors, who fight practical and active against the dark forces, which recently do not meet with resistance, because the theosophists so dramatically fail their mission. Failure, incomptence and mental onanism is their only business. They can chat all day long about their bad leaders, though each group has the leader which it earns. 
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>>>Instead waiting for better leaders theosophists should pull themselves together, built an united organization and defend suffering mankind against the dark forces. 
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>>>These altruistic actions would automatically lead to new leaders, but where is no call, no leaders comes and ULT like coma is the result. 
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>>>Brain death is not the natural condition for theosophists, it is the recently degenerated form. 
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>>>The new age babble of Triangle, Arcance, Creme or some Captain of a Star ship do not help - except the degenerated selfishness of its followers. 
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>>>Superfluos that all these is pseudo stuff and has nothing to do with true theosophy. 
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>>>Strange that you belong allegdly to a TS Lodge. 
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>>>If I were responsible I would kick people with such sick views out by return - in full accordance with the TS first object. 
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>>>Frank 
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>>>From: rialto9000 
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:18 PM 
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>>>Subject: Theos-World kalki the world avatar 
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>>>i belong to a ts lo9dge in kingston ny ny state.we discssed the coming of kalki the world teacher and his purpose on earth of new dawn coming soon.theforth incarnation of the buhha and the completion of his teachings on earth.master eritea has hinted at the new dawnwithin our lifetimes aPPARENTLY and i think the ts should c oncentrate on basic swtreet cred theosophy on the strret where it 100 percentin real time.our lodge is a 100 percent on the street in very real terms and ius highly respected as a lodge .omega point is a very real elevation of human global consciousness and its happening now all over the world.kalki asour lodge feels is near to realization globally and the physical ,psychic, mental,and spiritaul forces are coordinated and ssythisizing to a synergistic synthisis in sycronicity of unified consciousness/ .we feel forces are syc ronizing to a unified omege point very soon.the ts should not fight amounst itself but prepare for the new 
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>>>in very practical ways on the street where it counts and kalki the forth incarnation of the b uhhda is very real and a bright hope for the future. thank you, jonathan e rowley. 
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