Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar
Jul 24, 2009 02:20 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen
Dear Antonio
My views are:
Nobody aught to merely believe what others tell them. The promoters aught to make their case valid in the eyes of the listeners.
It is said, that one can cheat one self into the belief, that the promotion of the arrival of a Messiah is the highest aim to seek. I wonder why such an emotional agenda aught to be the highest or even an important aim to seek.
1.
But there was never any founder of TS who talked about any Maitreya to arrive past 1975.
There was only a talk about a Torchbearer and a Disciple who might arrive. And that cannot be the same as a Maitreya, but only an agent from the Masters.
The original founders of TS are mentioned here:
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v1/y1875_023.htm
H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
" In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-Vidya; and that, like the once-mysterious sources of the Nile, the source of all religions and philosophies now known to the world has been for many ages forgotten and lost to men, but is at last found."
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/SDVolume_I.htm
Now you tell me what kind of Gupta-Vidya teaches an emotional oriented Messiah doctrine, which kills self-reliance within people, and kills the idea of meditation on the Divine with in each human?
Silence is also an answer.
(Most Alice A. Bailey followers are given the view that their Higher Self is floating somewhere above their head in the aura. - And that God is a male, dualistic and apart from them. To the theosophist, the only real messiah is a non-physical one within their own selves.)
2.
Do you still agree with B. Creme that Sathya Sai Baba is a cosmic Avatar?
Why should we agree that Sai Baba is a cosmic Avatar?
Share International says:
"Sai Baba and Maitreya both embody the same energy--what we call the Christ principle, the energy of Love --- Sai Baba at the cosmic level, Maitreya at the planetary level."
http://www.share-international.org/maitreya/Ma_others.htm
Silence is also an answer.
3.
The following I write to correct a common mistake, which some promote these days...
on the page you mentioned we have false claim on what the Object of the TS was.
( http://www.inplainsite.org/html/maitreya.html )
If people would do more research they will discover, that the objects given on your page were not written like this, when the TS was founded. The emphasis upon study of Eastern literatur is omitted by the website you are referring to. This formulation of the objects omtting emphasis on the eastern literature only became valid after H. P. Balvatsky died in 1891.
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Try here on the original Objects of the TS:
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/gfkforum/ourdir.htm
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/gfkforum/ourdir.htm#Preamble%20of%20the%20T.S. (Preamble)
And in 1891 before H. P. Blavatsky died....
(The magazine "The Theosophist", Jan. 1891)
http://home1.stofanet.dk/theos-octagon/ts_constitution_rules.HTM
Please do not ommit emphasis on comparative study of eastern literature.
Will you at least correct that mistake? And do you understand why it is an important mistake?
- - -
I will friendly suggest, that you did the effort of making a comparative study of Idries Shah's books with Bailey's and B. Creme's teachings. You might learn something form it.
HPB said: "We cull the good we find in each."...I.e. each system of thought.
(I could suggest first to read these books by Idries Shah: "The Way of the Sufi", "The Sufis", "Learning How to Learn", and perhaps also "The Manipulated Mind : Brainwashing, Conditioning and Indoctrination" by Denise Winn, and "Battle for the Mind" by William Sargent.)
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/maitreya.html
Just one of a mountain of sites, like i say people should do their research before they make assumptions.
--- On Thu, 23/7/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 9:32 PM
Please tell me and others where this was predicted?
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar
Do your research,
Maitreya was predicted by one of the creators of Theosophy!
--- On Thu, 23/7/09, Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de> wrote:
From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de>
Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 12:24 PM
o my good human, how do you know that?
Are you a clairvoyant?
Is is not possible that these negative connotations are in your mind only?
You can believe what you what regardless, how childish and foolish it is.
In Amercia it seems normal that adult males are more infantile than European females.
You can also believe that Maitreya comes together with Michael Jackson.
I just say that all these psychic degenerations and atavisms are not theosophy.
This information is to protect the innocent and to give impulse to the discrimination power.
My information was not meant to heal fools.
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar
Hi,
Your reply is filled with so much anger , frustration and negative connotations.
Why would you stop such a beautiful thing from happening.
It is obvious Maitreya is on the verge of coming into the world.
In true star trek fashion....resisten ce is futile.
I would never stop anyone who tries to teach that sharing, love and connected minds is the way forward for humanity.
I never block anyones attempts at positive change.
Personally i am looking forward to the Kalki world teacher.
I am loosing patience with those that constantly beat down the idea of something positive because they fear change or try to repress something benevolent which comes into our realities.
Just my opinion.
--- On Wed, 22/7/09, Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de> wrote:
From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de>
Subject: Re: Theos-World kalki the world avatar
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 4:10 PM
The maitreya fools feel often synchronizing energy - since the 1970'ies.
The only problem is that all this flapdoodle happens in their twisted minds only and not in reality.
Suffering mankind is not helped one iota with idiotic nonsense, emotional outbursts and neurotic conditions.
HPB wanted the kernel of an international group of Jedi warriors, who fight practical and active against the dark forces, which recently do not meet with resistance, because the theosophists so dramatically fail their mission. Failure, incomptence and mental onanism is their only business. They can chat all day long about their bad leaders, though each group has the leader which it earns.
Instead waiting for better leaders theosophists should pull themselves together, built an united organization and defend suffering mankind against the dark forces.
These altruistic actions would automatically lead to new leaders, but where is no call, no leaders comes and ULT like coma is the result.
Brain death is not the natural condition for theosophists, it is the recently degenerated form.
The new age babble of Triangle, Arcance, Creme or some Captain of a Star ship do not help - except the degenerated selfishness of its followers.
Superfluos that all these is pseudo stuff and has nothing to do with true theosophy.
Strange that you belong allegdly to a TS Lodge.
If I were responsible I would kick people with such sick views out by return - in full accordance with the TS first object.
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: rialto9000
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: Theos-World kalki the world avatar
i belong to a ts lo9dge in kingston ny ny state.we discssed the coming of kalki the world teacher and his purpose on earth of new dawn coming soon.theforth incarnation of the buhha and the completion of his teachings on earth.master eritea has hinted at the new dawnwithin our lifetimes aPPARENTLY and i think the ts should c oncentrate on basic swtreet cred theosophy on the strret where it 100 percentin real time.our lodge is a 100 percent on the street in very real terms and ius highly respected as a lodge .omega point is a very real elevation of human global consciousness and its happening now all over the world.kalki asour lodge feels is near to realization globally and the physical ,psychic, mental,and spiritaul forces are coordinated and ssythisizing to a synergistic synthisis in sycronicity of unified consciousness/ .we feel forces are syc ronizing to a unified omege point very soon.the ts should not fight amounst itself but prepare for the new dawn
in very practical ways on the street where it counts and kalki the forth incarnation of the b uhhda is very real and a bright hope for the future. thank you, jonathan e rowley.
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