Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00217)

nah - it was liposuction!

Cass


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>From: Martin <Mvandertak@yahoo.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, 12 July, 2009 3:10:11 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>Exactly, we share all, except our inner spark...that is us, our "cosmic seed" as KH mentioned it...now I have been looking at it, but could't keep " my " eyes on it, that's how strong it is...:) At the same time, anyone else who was looking, lost in this poker game, and when people meet Chucks, they deliver half of it to you..fair deal? LOL, 
>I had a flat tire a month ago..darn, those worldteachers always look back in time:)
>My Sphinx riddle:
>was it:
>
>a) car
>b) bike
>c) trike
>d) starfleet destroyer
>
>--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Drpsionic@aol. com <Drpsionic@aol. com> wrote:
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>From: Drpsionic@aol. com <Drpsionic@aol. com>
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 6:06 PM
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>People heal lepers (Hanson's Disease) with antibiotics.
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>Physical presence gets in the way of the teacher.  It is much more  
>efficient to simply put the ideas out into the mahatmasphere and let people pick  
>up on them.  And people are far more willing to accept an idea that they  
>think is their own rather than someone else's.
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>Chuck the Heretic
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>In a message dated 7/11/2009 5:47:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>Mvandertak@yahoo. com writes:
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>So people are healing the lepers in their heads then? Whats wrong with  
>being physically present?
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>--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Morten Nymann Olesen  <_global-theosophy@ global-thgl_ 
>(mailto:global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk) >  wrote:
>
>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@ global-thgl_ 
>(mailto:global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk) >
>Subject:  Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com) 
>Date:  Saturday, July 11, 2009, 12:04 PM
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>Chuck said:
>"I'm saying we need to  get away from the notion of teachers as 
>identifiable 
>agents  altogether."
>
>Yes, when they are used as a publicity-stunt.
>Idries  Shah has told clearly about it:
>_http://www.katinkah http://wwhttp: //wwhttp: //wwwhttp_ 
>(http://www.katinkah esselink. net/sufi/ sufi-shah. html) 
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>The  truth Guru's which are not physically known can be and are important. 
>Most New  Age Guru's and even present day theosophical lecturers are only 
>average human  beings, maybe bookworms or cunning orators and nothing else.
>A tree is  known on its fruits, and not on how cunning it is in cheating 
>people to  believe that throwing money away is a good idea or that emotional 
>excitement  is the spiritual highest.
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>Idries Shah said:
>"I  believe that the guru needs his disciples. If he had a sufficient 
>outlet for  his desire to be a big shot or his feeling of holiness or his wish to 
>have  others dependent on him, he wouldn't be a guru. 
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>I got all that out of  my system very early and, consistent with Sufi 
>[theosophical] tradition, I  believe that those who don't want to teach are the 
>ones who can and should.  The West still has a vocation hang-up and has not 
>yet discovered this. Here,  the only recognized achiever is an obsessive. In 
>the East we believe that a  person who can't help doing a thing isn't 
>necessarily the best one to do it. A  compulsive cookie baker may bake very bad 
>cookies. "
>......
>"Their  followers need the guru as much as the guru needs his followers. I 
>just don't  regard it as a religious operation. I take a guru to be a sort 
>of  psychotherapist. At the very best, he keeps people quiet and polarized 
>around  him and gives some sort of meaning to their lives."
>......
>"Why  shouldn't there be room for what we might call "neighborhood 
>psychotherapy" -  the community looking after its own? However, why it should be 
>called a  spiritual activity rather baffles me."
>.......
>"Some are frankly  phonies, and they don't try to hide it from me. They 
>think that I am one, too,  so when we meet they begin the most disturbing 
>conversations. They want to  know how I get money, how I control people, and so 
>on."
>......
>"They  actually feel there is something wrong with what they are doing, and 
>they feel  better if they talk to somebody else who is doing it. I always 
>tell them that  I think it would be much better if they gave up the guru role 
>in their own  minds and realize that they are providing a perfectly good 
>social  service."
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>The question is if the above words are what the  beginners at TS Adyar or 
>other theosophical groups are greeted  with???
>
>M. Sufilight
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>----- Original Message -----  
>From: _Drpsionic@aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol. com)  
>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com)   
>Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:40 AM
>Subject: Re:  Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>Hmmm, let's see.  Ghandi never faced a real opponent, Stalin would have 
>had him for  lunch and Mother Theresa was a ghoul who fed off the energies 
>of 
>the dying. I don't know what they were teaching but it ain't anything I  
>would want to learn.
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>I'm saying we need to get away  from the notion of teachers as identifiable 
>agents  altogether.
>
>Chuck the Heretic
>
>In a message dated  7/10/2009 10:22:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>_silva_cass@ yahoo.sil_ (mailto:silva_cass@yahoo. com)   writes:
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>So you are saying that World Teachers are known by their  actions rather 
>than their words? If this is the case one could  argue that Gandhi and 
>Mother 
>Theresa were world  teachers.
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>I suppose one can walk with world teachers or one can  walk behind them. 
>A spiritual evolved soul is probably on the way  to being his/her own world 
>teacher.
>
>Cass
>
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>>From: "__Drpsionic@ aol._Dr_ (mailto:_Drpsionic@aol. Drp) _ 
>(mailto:_Drpsionic@aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol. com) ) " 
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>>To: _theos-talk@ To: _theos-talTo: _theos-_theos- talk@yahoogrothe os-t_ 
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>>Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 2:48:56 PM
>>Subject:  Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>>Ok. The World  Teacher thing is fun but the truth is that Theosophist have 
>>been flying the wrong carpet on it since the idea floated out of Annie  
>and 
>>the Bishop's hats. 
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>>First, there really has never been an identifiable person who could be  
>>considered a "World Teacher" who had any serious impact in his  lifetime. 
>The 
>>Buddha was just another local nutcase  and Jesus got himself killed. So 
>>this business about finding  out who the next "World Teacher" was going to 
>be 
>>makes about as much sense as trying to find out who will be the next  
>Michael 
>>Jackson (in the hope of aborting him before  he can appear) and all the 
>fuss 
>>over whether it was  Krishnamurti or Aleister Crowley or even L. Ron 
>>Hubbard is  missing the point.
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>>We can ignore crooks like Sai  Baba Booey and crazy old Ben Creme for the 
>>moment.
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>>If there were to be a world teacher, that individual would  not have to 
>>appear in public at all. He could be totally  obscure, sitting in his 
>living 
>>room, watching reruns  of old game shows on cable, an putting the 
>information 
>>directly into the minds of the people prepared to receive it without them  
>>even knowing that he exists or that the information, the ideas  as it 
>were, 
>>came from any source other than their  own minds. The techniques are 
>>certainly simple enough. Anyone  can master them in a few days. Which is 
>why the 
>>dugpa stuff is so silly. There is nothing they can do that anyone else  
>>cannot do and probably are.
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>>It is  obvious that the idea of a World Teacher, wandering the earth 
>>spreading teaching to the hungry masses is a simple failure to understand  
>how 
>>information can be spread. It is from a mindset  locked into archaic and 
>>fundamentally clumsy means of  communication, voice, the written word, 
>personal 
>>appearance, even video. There is no need for any of that and one wonders  
>>why those called masters of the wisdom, who frankly do not, in  
>retrospect, 
>>seem to have been masters of much of  anything but falling off their 
>flying 
>>carpets, would  not have realized that. 
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>>The search is a waste of  time and energy. If there really is a world 
>>teacher running  around loose somewhere, he has no need to be found, no 
>desire to  
>>be public. That would just get in the way and be a  distraction.
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>>It is time to face reality and  forget all the nonsense that has been 
>>written in the past by  people who either did not know what they were 
>talking 
>>about or who had a vested interest in public ignorance.
>>
>>Chuck the heretic
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