Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00181)

Dear Morten

You write, "Leadbeaters books are still praised by many."

Yes, they are, and this surely must beg the question, why? 

Undoubtedly, his writings are romanticised and simplistic.

But more insidiously, his mindset appeals to those who seem to 
require someone to both obey and to lead them. 

As we are conditioned from birth to follow and obey our parents, 
teachers and priests, it is not hard to understand why our minds 
appreciate and resonate with this familiarity. Schools and 
churches have used this method of securing obedience and 
compliance since they began. 

Basic psychology explains that most of us will repeat our 
programmed, infantile patterns for much of our life. Witness
celebrity, sporting, religious and other forms of projected 
adulation.

In our younger years, following older and wiser adults is 
necessary for our survival, however there must come a time
when we confront our childlike mind and proceed
independently with awareness. 

And this is where our difficulties can arise. 
To think and lead ourselves appropriately requires strenuous 
and unrelenting steadfastness of awareness and consciously 
considered action. 

To mindlessly follow is so much easier. However, in so doing, 
we surrender our right and obligation as an adult human being 
for independent thought and action.

It is this laziness which makes of us sheep to blindly follow our 
leaders and masters, often and ultimately into wars for the benefit 
of the wealthy elite.

Daniel has powerfully demonstrated Bishop Leadbeater's 
mindset in his demanding of Adyar Theosophical Society members
to blindly and obediently follow Dr Besant.
This style runs throughout many of his books. This alone 
should and does sound alarm bells for genuinely independent 
thinkers. 

His additional indiscretions should perhaps be included in our 
deliberations, and supplementary to our decision making process
in terms of assessing his credibility as a reliable and honourable
purveyor of truths.

Regards
Nigel 




--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Let us have some examples on that.
> It could be helpful to present day TS Adyars efforts to change its activities, and of course also to the theosophical cause. Leadbeaters books are still praised by many.
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: nhcareyta 
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:19 AM
>   Subject: Theos-World Re: Did Leadbeater Encourage "blind following"??
> 
> 
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> 
>   Dear Morten
> 
>   Thank you for your response. 
> 
>   You write, " Agreed. Maybe not so much the "lying", but perhaps rather the misleading activities."
> 
>   Misleading indeed, perniciously so. However his lies are also insidious.
> 
>   I posted the following some time ago to Anand Gholap.
> 
>   "Bishop Leadbeater clearly lied and was fraudulent in
>   numerous matters of determinable and demonstrable fact.
> 
>   He claimed to be representing Madame Blavatsky's version of
>   Theosophy. On most subjects he did not.
>   >http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/tontitlepage.pdf<
> 
>   He claimed to be in direct contact with Madame Blavatsky's
>   masters.
>   Given the utterly contradictory accounts of cosmogonies
>   and cosmologies, any reasonable assessment would
>   manifestly demonstrate that he was not.
>   >http://blavatskyarchives.com/ton1.pdf<
> 
>   Upon meeting with Dr Besant, a few years after he had joined
>   the Adyar Theosophical Society, he claimed to have been born in
>   the year of her birth, 1847. Clearly he was not.
>   According to numerous British records including birth certificate,
>   Church records and even census forms filled out by himself,
>   he was born in 1854. He obviously lied to fabricate a putative
>   "occult" connection between himself and Dr Besant.
> 
>   Furthermore, he claimed to have seen the Mahatma M in 1851.
>   Demonstrably another consciously concocted lie or fraud,
>   this time to coincide with Madame Blavatsky's actual recorded
>   sighting.
> 
>   He claimed to have attended the prestigious British
>   universities of Oxford and Cambridge. He did not.
> 
>   He claimed his father was the senior executive of a British
>   rail company.
>   He was actually one of its bookkeepers.
> 
>   Psychically, he claimed to have seen a sophisticated civilisation
>   on Mars, complete with many specific details. Clearly he did not.
> 
>   In the "theosophical" church he helped found, with teachings and
>   mindset so utterly opposed to the masters he claimed contact with,
>   he stated women were not fit to perform the sacraments due to
>   their inappropriate vehicles.
> 
>   In "Occult Chemistry" he claimed psychic vision of the inner
>   workings of the atomic world.
>   With the exception of one obscure scientist, his
>   pronouncements have little credibility and are
>   ridiculed as nonsense.
>   >http://www.chem.yale.edu/~chem125/125/history99/8Occult/OccultAtoms.h
>   tml<
> 
>   He claimed psychic vision of the atom and drew its picture,
>   claiming it as his own. It was actually a copy of one imagined by
>   Babbit years earlier. Another fraud.
> 
>   In his book "Lives of Alcyone" he constantly changed his
>   putative "psychic" versions of peoples' past lives as they came in
>   and out of his personal favour.
> 
>   He claimed in his writings to meet with the "Lord of the World."
>   A pathological liar and paedophile meeting with the "Supreme
>   Director" of this globe? Really?
> 
>   And the list goes on and on. Whether we term these indiscretions
>   as untruths, lies or fraud they are indisputable matters of fact,
>   which only the most ardent apologist would deny or avoid.
> 
>   Bishop Leadbeater has been proven far and beyond any
>   reasonable doubt to have lied to and manipulated and deceived
>   his followers on many occasions and in many ways.
> 
>   Moreover, the apologists' arguing that his self-confessed,
>   sexual activities with small boys was actually training them
>   in sex magic is sickening and perverted in itself.
>   One wonders whether these apologists and supporters are
>   themselves paedophiles, defending the indefensible.
>   Anand, are you?
> 
>   If the bad Bishop were practicing sex magic with these boys, a
>   heinous practice in itself with powerless young children, this
>   would/should have been performed in a ceremonial and
>   ritualistic environment, complete with prescribed formulae i.e.
>   words, chants, invocations/evocations, ceremonial objects etc
>   in a ceremony that would last for perhaps a few hours.
>   His self-confessed climbing naked into bed with a naked
>   young boy whilst "teaching" him masturbation hardly qualifies
>   as sex magic.
>   It was and is paedophilia, to anyone with any intelligence,
>   decency and integrity.
> 
>   Why anyone would want to trust and even defend anything
>   this man did and wrote is a matter of considerable incredulity,
>   until one understands the pernicious nature of the belief-based,
>   blind, devotional mindset. .
> 
>   Simply because he wrote in lyrical, "explanatory", romantic,
>   authoritarian tones does not validate his pronouncements,
>   unless of course our blind, devotional mindset clamours for
>   the simplicity, certainty and "security" of authority, and the
>   glamour of romance.
> 
>   He was simply a common liar and fraud, and some people
>   were and are entirely enamoured by him and his writings.
>   Enamoured and under a glamour, as was Dr Besant in allowing
>   his re-entry into the Society he so disgraced.
> 
>   And you Anand recommend him and his writings, and
>   condemn Madame Blavatsky and her teachers' as "Pseudo" or
>   fraudulent?"
> 
>   Regards
>   Nigel
> 
>   > 
>   > C. W. Ledbeater deeds were:
>   > a) Calling God a "He" continously and to such an extend that it was misleading. And this he in fact did very much in his books. And by this he mislead Seekers into a dualistic view upon the divine within them. And the doctrine of the Divine within each human was almost never mentioned by C. W. Leadbeater despite he claimed to be in daily contact with the same Masters as H. P. Blavatsky.
>   > b) Mistreatment of young boys (not girls), which might have included - touch - was admitted by Leadbeater at the meeting maj 1906 in London, were he was thrown out of the Society. (The report is here online: http://blavatskyarchives.com/reportmeetingchargesleadbeaterfull.pdf - 2,42 MB)
>   > c) Lying at court in 1912 about his sexual misconduct, (that his activities teaching young boys might have involved touch), which he admitted in the non-public meeting in maj 1906 in London. Vide b). The Judge at the trial was quoted saying that he disliked the views on sexuality expressed by Leadbeater, when he was a witness at court.
>   > d) Describing people living on Mars as if they were living human beings in the physical wearing shoes and clothes. Something not agreed upon by Blavatsky in her book "The Key to Theosophy", page 86 - http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm.
>   > e) Promoting Annie Besant as very much infallible. Something we know she were not.
>   > f) Promoting his young boys adoration through claiming that J. Krishnamurti was the Messiah and World Teacher, and that Morya, KH and Blavatsky were ignorant, and that the Torchbearer of truth had arrived 50 years earlier than expected, and that this Torchbearer was a Messiah. Leadbeater claimed this as late as year 1930 in the Theosophist. But this time it was stated that Krishnamurti only were a Messiah from time to time. 
>   > g) Leadbeater ended up promoting a malechauvanistic Liberal Catholic Church. A Church only allowing male bishops, with Mitra and all.
>   > h) Leadbeater promoted spiritualistic views and confused the difference between shells and real departed humans in kama-loka.
>   > i) Leadbeater was the one single person within the TS, who went through the fastest spiritual development seen in the TS in the period of 1884-2009. Leadbeater went from being an average priest and a non-clairvoyant to become a person who already in 1909 was given the task by his Masters to point out who the coming Messiah would be. And later he claimed he was able to confirm whether J. Krishnamurti was the Messiah or not. There is of course nothing suspicious in this all, when we consider his many faults, - or is there?
>   > j) Leadbeaters emphasis on the Eucharist in his Liberal Catholic Church (LCC) and his writings about the Eucharist is a mistake and a false teaching. A teaching not clairifying the difference between Jesutism within the Vatican and real honest Christian Gnosis teachings. And a teaching Jesuitically phallic in its nature.
>   > k) And there are more. Maybe som of the members here can fill out some of the more important blanks.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Despite his many wellknown faults his books are among the most read and bought of all the theosophical books, even today. And the truth is, and it aught also to be told, that if one delete the many faults in his books and deeds, there remains contents, which can be said to be useful to many beginner seekers. But his many grave errors should not be hidden away so to continue to mislead the beginner Theosophists in TS Adyar or any other theosophical group.
>   > 
>   > This is what I have learned. But I might be wrong.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > M. Sufilight
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: nhcareyta 
>   > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:00 AM
>   > Subject: Theos-World Re: Did Leadbeater Encourage "blind following"??
>   > 
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>   > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Did Leadbeater encourage "blind following" as
>   > > Anand phrases it?
>   > > 
>   > > You be the judge. Here is what Mr. Leadbeater said
>   > > about Mrs. Besant:
>   > 
>   > Yes Daniel, and all
>   > 
>   > And this blind following demanded from a man who lied 
>   > repeatedly, who manifestly contradicted the very masters he 
>   > claimed to represent and who admitted to serious sexual 
>   > misdemeanours with young boys. and whose many 
>   > fantastical statements in his books have been removed by 
>   > "theosophical" publishers to avoid both extreme embarrassment
>   > and justified discredit, and to maintain the blind following 
>   > of a blatant liar.
>   > 
>   > Is it any wonder that deception and deceit from whatever 
>   > quarter continues to infect some in the Adyar Theosophical 
>   > Society.
>   > 
>   > It is disappointing the many honourable members in that
>   > organisation continue to permit these violations to occur.
>   > 
>   > Courage of convictions it seems is in short supply. 
>   > 
>   > Regards
>   > Nigel
>   > 
>   > > 
>   > > "What can I say to you of your President [Annie
>   > > Besant] that you do not know already? Her colossal
>   > > intellect, her unfailing wisdom, her unrivalled
>   > > eloquence, her splendid forgetfulness of self,
>   > > her untiring devotion of work for others - all
>   > > these are but a small part of her greatness;
>   > > they are on the surface, they may be seen by all,
>   > > they leap to the eyes. But there are other qualities,
>   > > other powers, of which you cannot know, because they
>   > > pertain to the secrets of Initiation. She is a
>   > > pupil of our Masters; from the fount of Their
>   > > archaic wisdom she derives her own, the plans which
>   > > she is carrying out are Their plans for the welfare
>   > > of the world. THINK THEREFORE, HOW GREAT AN
>   > > HONOUR IT IS FOR YOU that you should be permitted
>   > > to work under her, for in doing so you are virtually
>   > > working under Them. THINK HOW WATCHFUL YOU SHOULD
>   > > BE TO MISS NO HINT WHICH FALLS FROM HER LIPS, to carry
>   > > out EXACTLY whatever instructions she may give to you.
>   > > 
>   > > Remember...there will be times when you cannot
>   > > understand her motives, for she is taking into account
>   > > many things which you cannot see and of which
>   > > she must not tell you. BUT WHETHER YOU UNDERSTAND
>   > > OR NOT, YOU WILL BE WISE TO FOLLOW HER IMPLICITLY, JUST
>   > > BECAUSE SHE KNOWS.
>   > > 
>   > > THIS IS NOT MERE SUPPOSITION ON MY PART, NO MERE
>   > > FLIGHT OF THE IMAGINATION; I HAVE STOOD BESIDE YOUR
>   > > PRESIDENT IN THE PRESENCE OF THE SUPREME DIRECTOR
>   > > OF EVOLUTION ON THIS GLOBE, AND I KNOW WHEREOF I
>   > > SPEAK. Let the wise hear my words, and act accordingly."
>   > > 
>   > > Caps added. Adyar Album, p. 45.
>   > > 
>   > > Daniel
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