Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00136)

hahahahaha, good one Morten...Chuck, I've got a silvermachine, wanna borrow it?

--- On Wed, 7/8/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Chucks magic mirrors!!!
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 6:38 PM

Now, if the central Server starts to blush too much because it gets infected with a non-theosophical worm with a red hat, I think we will have to modify the situation or at least clean some of the mirrors so to avoid the "flu" from sprading so to speak. :-)


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drpsionic@aol.com 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:19 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Chucks magic mirrors!!!





  I'm blushing.

  Chuck the Heretic


  In a message dated 7/8/2009 10:11:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  monad_monad_monad@yahoo.com writes:

  This description of the magic mirrors may sound a little far out to some 
  but it describes in a somewhat cryptic and simplified way how the advanced 
  members of a spiritual group telepathically work on the inner planes 
  amongst themselves. In this way they bypass all this personality crap-o-la. 
  Highly developed minds that may have left there bodies and are no longer 
  hindered by time and space as we understand it. 
  In fact the net and the modern information highway may be a stepped down 
  version of that work that will require many cycles to develop and perfect. 
  Then theosophy will not be here or there but EVERYWHERE. Chuck who's heresy 
  is more in the nature of a series of zen parables is right on in so much of 
  what he posts.
  No one with any real background in Theosophical studies can take what is 
  often posted on a number of these different Theosophical websites seriously.
  If I get the drift of Chucks many humorous and satirical post there is 
  a lot of wisdom in just going to the source and bypassing all this nonsense 
  that tries to pass for serious Theosophy. In fact this description of 
  Chucks outline of a Master computer and all the connecting mirrors may 
  parallel and be a good description of how the Masters work with there advanced 
  students or disciples in the ether's.
  Keep up the good work Chuck your heresy keeps the world alive and its many 
  children from following asleep and going completely comatose.
  Blessings Duane.

  ________________________________
  From: "_Augoeides-222@Augoeides-2_ (mailto:Augoeides-222@comcast.net) " 
  <_Augoeides-222@Augoeides-2_ (mailto:Augoeides-222@comcast.net) >
  To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 3:16:01 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Theosophical Democracy vs Theosophical Autonomy

  MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALLLLL WHO IS THE THEOSOPHIST BEST OF 
  ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL ??????????? 

  (Large cracking sound---followed by the sound of tinkling glass hitting 
  the floor!!!! Lol!) 

  John 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drpsionic@aol. com 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 8:39:37 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Theosophical Democracy vs Theosophical Autonomy 

  Ok, this is going to get a bit off the wall sounding but it has been done 
  in occult history. Let us take the scenario that the internet goes down 
  and stays down, as unlikely as it seems. We have a method of communication 
  that is virtually unstoppable- -the old, reliable magic mirror. 

  Using the net as a good analogy to how it would work, you have a storage 
  field, a big thoughtform if you will, that acts as the central server. The 
  mirrors are all linked to the server by the will of their operators. So, 
  whenever anyone wants to get a message out to one's fellow Theosophists, 
  one 
  need only meditate on the message and put it into his mirror. It then goes 
  automatically to the server and out to everyone else through their 
  mirrors. 

  Sounds weird? Read the description of the Shrine Room HPB had built in 
  the London Lodge. They were working with some interesting stuff back then. 

  Chuck the Heretic 

  In a message dated 7/7/2009 8:45:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  robert.b.macdonald@ hotmail.com writes: 

  A few more thoughts . . . 

  This discussion seems to be getting hung up on the theory that a truly 
  democratic Society would solve our problems, or it is argued on the other 
  hand 
  that we do not even need a Society, theosophy has been disseminated in the 
  West, and we need only study what we all have access to. It is argued that 
  the internet can be the tie that binds us all. 

  Theosophy does not exist in a vacuum, it is a reflection of the world 
  around us and we again are reflected into that world. Chuck pointed out 
  one of 
  the deeper truths, that being, knowledge gets reflected into the ether and 
  then over time is reflected back into us, informing us all. I have often 
  thought, that if the TS could discover a new way to govern itself, then 
  perhaps this would signal that the world is on the verge of doing the 
  same. 
  Theosophy was introduced to the West in order to lead thought in new 
  directions 
  and have that thought evolve our institutions. In order to do that we 
  don't have to be noticed by everyone, if Chuck is right, as soon as we 
  change 
  that will seed the crystal, if you like, of change all around us. 

  Cass has brought up the whole issue of autonomy. Right now, if you are not 
  surrounded by a like minded group of theosophists who are going to allow 
  you to develop along lines you feel are right, the best thing to do is 
  study 
  alone, and perhaps interact with others half-way around the globe on the 
  internet and do the best you can in these spiritually dark times. Who can 
  argue with that? We are talking about change here and it certainly does 
  not 
  seem like people, theosophists included, are open to real change. 

  On the other hand Anand is suggesting that a true democracy will solve all 
  of our problems. Democracy is the silver bullet that will slay the beast 
  of totalitarianism. But what is it and how is it going to work? Some say 
  that the TS began as the most democratic of institutions but look at it 
  now. 
  If India, Pakistan, and other developing Nations are allowed to achieve 
  economic power, then they will learn that democracy is no protection. Ask 
  any 
  educated individual from the West about democracy, and if they think about 
  it for even a few moments, they will have to admit that in any election 
  they 
  have ever voted in, they invariably have voted for the individual that 
  they have disliked the least. Populist leaders like Obama are rare, and 
  when 
  they do achieve power their voting records are no less corrupt than all 
  the 
  rest. It is not enough to claim that democracy is the panacea, we need to 
  know the details. 

  How can a Society remain democratic when it invariably has to struggle 
  with an uneducated and apathetic electorate. Who in this group knew 
  anything 
  about the by-laws of the Society to which they belong before this last 
  election? Those who do not belong to the Adyar Society, who among you know 
  anything about your Societies' bylaws now? Democracy is nothing without an 
  informed and engaged electorate. The problem is not about re-instituting 
  democracy, it is about re-inventing the electorate, how do you do that? 
  Again, the 
  answer Cass gives seems to be ringing loud now, you wait until they are 
  born. But what if they are out there now, waiting for a form of government 
  that will inform them and engage them. What would the nature of that 
  government be? Change has never come before the idea, how could it? 

  What happens if governments take the internet away tomorrow, or limit it 
  in such ways that you dare not speak your mind or relate to others of 
  similar mind? Then where will the TS be? We will be stuck with a TS 
  leadership 
  that is probably a reflection of the government leaders that took away the 
  internet or we will be totally autonomous reading and studying theosophy 
  under 
  a dim lamp in a dark basement. The governments will still be democratic, 
  you can either vote for this tool of the unseen power or that tool of the 
  unseen power. 

  I suspect it is important that theosophists think about these questions, 
  because if we can figure them out, perhaps humanity would be ready to 
  follow. 

  Robert Bruce 

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