Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00059)

Depending on their level they would probably be aware of this knowledge - e.g. let's say, Leadbeater who learned of this knowledge and then succumed to vain glory, one could say that he as a newly recruited dugpa would have a fair insight into the laws of nature etc. given out by the Masters. 

If we take a look at the evidence presented it seems that if a dugpa was operating through the TS there most likely avenue of mischief would be to cause misinformation on the teachings, the main aim being to cause a lack of credibility of those teachings.

IMO, which has no solid evidence, the more disharmony these dugpas create the more energy they have to work with, however, I believe they are limited in these powers and should humanity turn the corner in compassion and understanding they would have nothing to work with.  As far as a war in heaven between the white brotherhood and the shadow brotherhood, I believe, will never occur, they are limited, the white brotherhood is not, but in order to work with our energy, and because of karma, we(humanity) need to change our thinking and turn away from materialism.   Although I do not mean by this that we should all adorn ourselves in sackcloth and begging bowls!  lol

Cass

 


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>From: robert_b_macd <robert.b.macdonald@hotmail.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 11:06:47 AM
>Subject: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>That begs the question, what could clever dugpas do with the information released through the ES? What, perhaps, have they already done?
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>--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ ...> wrote:
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>> Perhaps it is as simple as thinking that a pledge is a precautionary act - a hope that if certain knowledge is given out that this knowledge will not be used for selfish rather than altruistic reasons.   There have been certain scientists in the past that have intuitively known, eg Keely, that if what he learnt was given out freely to the world this knowledge could be used to destroy humanity.  I guess in science one cannot surround the truth in parable or allegory.
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>> >From: Anand <AnandGholap@ ...>
>> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>> >Sent: Monday, 6 July, 2009 4:36:33 AM
>> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robert_b_macd" <robert.b.macdonald @...> wrote:
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>> >> Dear Anand,
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>> >> I missed answering one question that you had. You asked where the higher self comes into this pledge. The pledge is ended with the words "So Help Me, My Higher Self." The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, and occult forces from your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back to sleep until you either succeed or fail on your journey over however many lifetimes it takes. It is a serious pledge.
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>> >Jerry told that ES members under Mrs. Radha make a pledge to follow Mrs. Radha. Words used in current pledge are not the Outer Head or Masters. Does that mean their souls will be following Mrs. Radha for many lifetimes?
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>> >You wrote:
>> >"The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, and occult forces from your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back to sleep until you either succeed or fail on your journey over however many lifetimes it takes." 
>> >How can a person "either succeed or fail(permanently) ", when he would be trying again if he fails?
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>> >You wrote:
>> >> Regardless, as I do not see a binding pledge as being necessary for a reformed ES, the second part of this clause could be done away with, and the pledge would be left as a set of moral guidelines.
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>> >You don't need separate ES organization for taking such a pledge. One can sign the pledge of following moral guidelines, keep it with himself or send it to the HQ and they will file it. May be it is better to keep secrecy regarding who made such a pledge.
>> >Divisions get created in TS when you form a separate Esoteric Section. Politics and other evils enter due to creation of such separate Section.
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>> >Anand Gholap
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