Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
Jul 01, 2009 01:18 PM
by Morten Nymann Olesen
Yes.
I did find this part of the letter very interesting...
Mahatma KH obout A. O. Hume:
"He makes of us Agnostics!! We do not believe in God because so far, we have no proof, etc. This is preposterously ridiculous: if he publishes what I read, I will have H.P.B. or Djual Khool deny the whole thing; as I cannot permit our sacred philosophy to be so disfigured. He says that people will not accept the whole truth; that unless we humour them with a hope that there may be a "loving Father and creator of all in heaven" our philosophy will be rejected a priori. In such a case the less such idiots hear of our doctrines the better for both. If they do not want the whole truth and nothing but the truth, they are welcome. But never will they find us -- (at any rate) -- compromising with, and pandering to public prejudices."
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"When, smarting under the exposure and bent upon revenge H. Ch. arrived three years ago from Bombay, C.C.M. would neither receive nor see him, nor would he listen to his justification, for Dayanand -- whom he recognised and accepted at that time as his spiritual chief -- had sent him word to hold no communication with the thief and traitor. Then it was that the latter and C. Carter Black, the jesuit expelled from the Society for slandering in the Pall Mall Gazette both Swami and Hurrychund -- became fast friends. Carter Black had for over two years moved heaven and earth to get readmitted into the Society but H.P.B. had proved a Chinese Wall against such readmission. Both the ex-fellows made peace, put their heads together and worked since then in a most charming accord."
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"However crazy an enthusiast, I pledge to you my word of honour, she was never a deceiver; nor has she ever wilfully uttered an untruth, though her position becomes often untenable, and that she has to conceal a number of things, as pledged to by her solemn vows. And now I have done with the question. "
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So seeking the truth about how the TS operates, and to what degree TS might have deviated from the Original Programe since 1891 until 2009 under leaders like Annie Besant, C. W. Leadbeater, J. Krishnamurti? and later ones, and what theosophical doctrine it actually are promoting today - seems to be of less to no importance to the present day Leadership?
Even some leaders lack the virtue of recognising the truth when it is honestly proven to them!
THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN THE TRUTH.
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H. P. Blavatsky said in the Key to Theosophy, p. 15:
"The Theosophical Society was organized for the purpose of promulgating the Theosophical doctrines, and for the promotion of the Theosophic life. "
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm
. . .
A PROTEST
"Belonging, as we do, to the so-called "inferior" Asiatic race, we cannot help having for our Masters that boundless devotion which the European condemns as slavish."
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"Most of us have seen and know them personally, while two of the undersigned live with the venerated MAHATMAS, and therefore know how much of their powers is used for the good and well-being of Humanity."
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"DAVA MUNI . . . . .
PARAMAHANSA SHUB-TUNG . . . . . . .
T. SUBBA ROW, B.A.B.L., F.T.S. . . . . . .
DARBHAGIRI NATH, F.T.S.
S. RAMASWAMIER, B.A., F.T.S.
GUALA K. DEB, F.T.S.
NOBIN K. BANERJEE, F.T.S.
T. T. GURUDAS, F.T.S.
BHOLA DEVA SARMA, F.T.S.
S. T. K . . . . . . . CHARY, F.T.S.
GARGYA DEVA, F.T.S.
DAMODAR K. MAVALANKAR, F.T.S.!"
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v4/y1882_102.htm
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Cass Silva
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
Found this little gem in Mahatma Letter No. 92
"What I want, is simply a paper on the advisability of remodelling the present formation of Branches and their privileges. Let them all be chartered and initiated as heretofore by the Parent Society, and depend on it nominally. At the same time let every Branch before it is chartered, choose some one object to work for, an object naturally, in sympathy with the general principles of the T.S. - yet a distinct and definite object of its own, whether in the religious, educational or philosophical line. This would allow the Society a braoder margin for its general operations; more real, useful work would be done; and as every Branch would be so to say, independent in its modus operandi, there would remain less room for complaint and par consequence - for interference
"To return to the reform of Branches, this question will have of course to be seriously considered and weighted before it is finally settled. There must be no more disappointment in members once they have joined. Each Branch has to choose its well-defined mission to work for, and the greatest care should be taken in the selection of Presidents.
Had the 'Eclectic' been placed from the first on such a footing of distinct independence, it might have fared better. Solidarity of thought and action within the broad outline of the chief and general principles of the Society there must always be between the Parent and Branch bodies; yet the latter must be allowed each their own independent action in everything that does not clash with those principles. Thus a Branch composed of mild christians sympathizing with the objects of the Society might remain neutral in the question of every other religion, and utterly indifferent to and unconcerned with the private beliefs of the "Founders" the Theosophist making room as willingly for hymns on the Lamb, as for slokas on the sacredness of the cow.
Cass
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>From: "Augoeides-222@comcast.net" <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, 29 June, 2009 2:22:48 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
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>Cass,
>In a pigs eye! When hell freezes over! lol! having toosed out the only solitary Agent of the Brotherhood on her ass without means or notice and having told the Solitary Agent of the Brotherhood that she was no longer welcome on that soil of Adyar who in their right mind could beleive that the Mahatma's and the Hierarchy would remain for a single second?
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>John
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@yahoo. com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:31:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
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>Perhaps Adyar is getting ready to announce that the Masters have returned to Adyar????
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>lol
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>Cass
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>>
>>From: robertapimenta26 < robertapimenta26@ yahoo.com >
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>Sent: Monday, 29 June, 2009 7:28:09 AM
>>Subject: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
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>>Dear Mr. Keith Fisher,
>>
>>Your very bold statements have made a deep impression on me, and the rest of the (theosophical) world.
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>>I respect you, hold no grievances against you and although we've never met, I am certain that you are a good and honest man.
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>>Am very intrigued about your remark concerning 'the spiritual forces taking control of the situation' though. Next to that, you really puzzle me with this 'head on the block', phrase, mine, probably be next.
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>>Is it possible that your head was there first of all, I mean before Mrs. Preethi's or mine, because you really seem to have lost yours...
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>>Unfortunately, if that is not enough, you want me to return to Spain to 'fight bulls'. *(???)
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>>Dear Mr. Keith Fisher, I haven't got a clue what you are talking about...(??? ?)
>>
>>Roberta
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>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "keith_fisher@ ..." <exsecy@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Roberta
>>>
>>> It would be nice to think that you wasn't misinformed, Adyar needs
>>> to be purged of all those who are prejudice or hold a grudge against
>>> the duly elected President before regeneration can start. However,
>>> spiritual forces seem to be taking control of the situation now.
>>>
>>> Sadly, Preethi has placed her own head on the block and you will
>>> probably be next, you could go back to Spain and fight a few bulls!
>>>
>>> I wish you well
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robertapimenta26" <robertapimenta26@ > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Dear Mr. Fisher,
>>> >
>>> > Good to hear from you. Time will tell, Mr. Fisher, only time will tell if I was totally misinformed.
>>> >
>>> > Roberta
>>> >
>>> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "keith_fisher@ " <exsecy@> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Dear Roberta
>>> > >
>>> > > Although you are claiming to be a non-member, you seem
>>> > > to have knowledge not only of the Adyar TS and estate, but
>>> > > also the ES and Co-M as well. However, I think you have
>>> > > been totally misinformed on both of the points you have raised,
>>> > > in the six months I was at Adyar, until the end of February this
>>> > > year, I witnessed an enormous amount of maintenance being
>>> > > carried out on the estate.
>>> > >
>>> > > Large buildings like the Blavatsky Bungalow and the
>>> > > Administration Building had been completely renovated with
>>> > > new roofing and toilet facilities. Many of the other smaller
>>> > > buildings were in the process of renovation or repairs and the
>>> > > General Manager was run off his feet trying to keep up with
>>> > > the work of overseeing the contractors.
>>> > >
>>> > > There was also major works being undertaken by the Garden
>>> > > Department, mechanization had started to be introduced and
>>> > > vast areas of scrub had been cleared, the coconut palms had
>>> > > been mulched with crushed coconut husks and drip watering
>>> > > systems were being installed. Although this is an extensive
>>> > > estate the Garden Department seemed to be gradually making
>>> > > improvements throughout the compound, and the whole of the
>>> > > estate was visibly greatly improved.
>>> > >
>>> > > On your second point, although I worked closely with the
>>> > > President for six months I was never aware of any secret
>>> > > attempt to `do away with' any member who was prejudice
>>> > > against her. In fact it was quite the opposite, out of the three
>>> > > Adyar workers who interfered with the Presidential election
>>> > > by having the audacity to write a letter to the General Council
>>> > > members advising them that the President was not fit and
>>> > > should not be nominated, only one of them was asked to leave.
>>> > >
>>> > > Another of the workers left of her own volition eight months
>>> > > later, and one of them is still allowed to be a resident on the
>>> > > Adyar estate, enjoying spacious, private accommodation at a
>>> > > near peppercorn rental, in a tranquil setting amid beautiful trees
>>> > > and tropical greenery, backing onto the Adyar river.
>>> > >
>>> > > I would think this is a good indication of the President's grace,
>>> > > and her compassion for those who have plotted against her.
>>> > >
>>> > > Keith
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robertapimenta26" <robertapimenta26@ > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Dear Mr. Rozman,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The silence from the International President (Adyar) is significant, but not surprising. Some individuals are doing the talking for her, like Mr. Pedro Oliveira, who according to some messages I received is travelling through Europe at the moment. There are alarming stories going round and they point to two main issues: 1) the adminstration of the Adyar estate itself, the contribution of Mrs. Preethi was an example and 2) a secret attempt by the International President to do away with all those who believe that she cannot fulfil her office as International President any longer. Mind you, these are, for as far as I am concerned only rumours, don't want to speculate, but does any of you contributors know more about this?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Roberta
>>> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@ > wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Cass,
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > We are all missing the "word of the President", addressing this critical situation, proposing solutions, indicating the way out. Is not this silence possibly crying out that maybe she is not in a position to speak on her own any more?
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Best regards,
>>> > > > > Anton
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ > wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > I don't hear any cries of helplessness coming from Ms Burnier unless of course she is hoping that the bad publicity will go away?
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Cass
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@ >
>>> > > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>> > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, 21 June, 2009 2:45:39 PM
>>> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >Dear Cass,
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >Every patient wants to be cured. Resistance is just sign of deep helplessness and is actually cry for help. The only remedy is truth of facts which can be very painful, so that some would rather die than expose it. But in this situation we are all patients and we can cure ourselves only with mutual help and humility. No one is above the situation, no one is without guilt. We all allowed it to happen, some more and some less. We are all in the same boat.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >Best regards,
>>> > > > > > >Anton
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ ...> wrote:
>>> > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > >> Anton, the patient must want to be cured before any healing can take place!
>>> > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > >> Cass
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>>> > > > > > >> >From: preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@ ...>
>>> > > > > > >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>> > > > > > >> >Sent: Saturday, 20 June, 2009 6:29:35 PM
>>> > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
>>> > > > > > >> >
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>>> > > > > > >> >Hi MKR,
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >If i could put it more appropriately cleansing is needed overall, but instead of harping on about the "secret disenfranchising attempt made by some of the General Secretaries -- which i understand was just a suggestion rather than a finalized move -- one needs to look at the reasons why this suggestion was even thought about". In treating a disease, one can either look at the symptoms or at the root cause.
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >If you start looking at the root cause of this whole problem you will, willy-nilly, trace it back to the ineffective leadership of the current international president (which she has been over the past 29 years), Mrs Radha Burnier and the policies she uses to "rule".
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >One will also notice, if one is perceptive, that the attempt from Mrs Burnier's lobbyists has always been to look at the symptoms and focus attention there, rather than to look at the root cause of this whole division in the TS.
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >One can then look at some of these things deeply and question them or ponder over them: (a) What is all this fear doing in an organization that has altruism as its ideal; (b) Why does the leader of this organization initiate gossip and why has she never thought about the deep-seated effects this kind of behaviour will generate among members; (c) One would expect the head of a spiritual organization to have insight into human nature. Why has this aspect of Mrs Burnier never found expression even though opportunities for this insight and resultant understanding were present throughout her career as president of the TS, including during the elections and its aftermath? and (d) since we are all supposed to be intelligent, thinking, rational individuals, why, even when the corruption rampant in Adyar is brought to everyone's attention, are we allowing Mrs Burnier to rule our hearts and minds?
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >Preethi
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >--- On Sat, 20/6/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com>
>>> > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
>>> > > > > > >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>> > > > > > >> >Date: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 1:16 AM
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >Cleansing is needed more urgently in the West, IMHO. Have we forgotten last
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >year's failed ultra secret attempt to disenfranchise all of us and handdful
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >of GC members seize power to "appoint" the president, thus make the
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >president a puppet in their hands?
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >MKR
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >Visit www.theosophy. net
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >On 6/16/09, preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> > > > > > >> >> Hi all,
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>>> > > > > > >> >> Am glad we are looking into cleansing here. Cleansing is what the TS and
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >> especially its heart, Adyar, requires today...and it is we who need to do
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >> the cleansing... We members of the Theosophical Society. Would you like to
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >> join me?
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>>> > > > > > >> >> Preethi
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>>> > > > > > >> >> --- On Mon, 15/6/09, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com<silva_cass% 40yahoo.com> >
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >> wrote:
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>>> > > > > > >> >> From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com <silva_cass% 40yahoo.com> >
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
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>>> > > > > > >> >> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> >> Date: Monday, 15 June, 2009, 7:06 AM
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>>> > > > > > >> >> Only that the smoke from sage cleanses negative spirits?
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>>> > > > > > >> >> >From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com>
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>>> > > > > > >> >> >To: theos-talk <theos-talk@ yahoogro ups.com>
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>>> > > > > > >> >> >Sent: Monday, 15 June, 2009 1:17:44 AM
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>>> > > > > > >> >> >With all the bad entities operating around us and perhaps against us as
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>>> > > > > > >> >> >well, either by themselves, or through some unsuspecting deluded victims,
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>>> > > > > > >> >> >HSO mentioned that before he and HPB took residence anywhere, it was
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>>> > > > > > >> >> >approved by a Brother or Brothers and it was cleansed of undesirable
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>>> > > > > > >> >> >influences etc. before they moved in. When the cleansing was done, the
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>>> > > > > > >> >> >was vacated of everyone. It has been reported that similar cleansing was
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>>> > > > > > >> >> >done by Jiddu Krishnamurti.
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>>> > > > > > >> >> >Has anyone read more about the issue of cleansing?
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