Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00698)

Hi Preethi,
Should you ever wish to share those hurdles that are in front of you, please drop in from time to time.

Cass


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>From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009 9:34:54 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Reply to Keith Fisher about putting people on the block
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>Everyone should congratulate Preethi on one account; at least she did not
>masquerade under a pseudonym or use someone else as a front to hide her
>identity. In cyberspace, it is not unusual for people to do it to avoid
>owning personal responsibility for what they want to say or information they
>want to share. These âhidersâ may feel they are very clever and are doing a
>very smart thing. But, in due course of time, such individuals get unmasked
>and results in irreparable loss of credibility and exposure of hypocrisy.
>More well known the person is, greater the damage.
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>Since Preethi has lived and worked in Adyar for years, she can be very
>helpful in making us understand people and events. While we all wish her
>well, past facts are facts and hopefully she will continue to participate
>and discuss issues here.
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>MKR
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>Visit www.theosophy. net and enjoy.
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>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:33 AM, preethi muthiah
><seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com>wrote:
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>> Dear Anton,
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>> Well, first of all, thank you for pointing out something i have been
>> feeling too : that i sound like a "victim" these days, but it was never my
>> intention to form a "victim club", as you call it, for the simple reason
>> that a club requires more than one member, and there aren't any takers for
>> that....nor am I looking for any.
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>> In fact, I am walking away after all the confrontation, because i realize
>> that things take time and since now i am literally on the road, i have to,
>> so to speak, start afresh and that is what i intend to do.
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>> Thanks for your support thus far. Also, I would like here to record the
>> support of Warwick Keys and others like Betty Bland who had the courage to
>> say it as they saw it.
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>> Bye bye everyone...and keep the flame going as best as you can....i hope
>> something comes of it.
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>> This whole episode has been a blessing in disguise because I have been
>> given, as I now see it, a chance to live life afresh -- just as a newborn
>> baby comes into the world and begins afresh. So thank you, Mrs Burnier;
>> Thank you Pedro Oliveira; Thank you everyone. A journey begun 16 years ago
>> is coming to an end. I have a lot of weeds to remove, i am sure and lessons
>> to carry on into my new life.
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>> All the best everyone in the TS worldwide.
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>> Fraternal greetings
>>
>> Preethi Muthiah
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>> --- On Mon, 29/6/09, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@ yahoo.com<anton_rozman% 40yahoo.com> >
>> wrote:
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>> From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@ yahoo.com <anton_rozman% 40yahoo.com> >
>> Subject: Theos-World Re: Reply to Keith Fisher about putting people on the
>> block
>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
>> Date: Monday, 29 June, 2009, 10:37 PM
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>> Dear Anand,
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>> I would never take the liberty to tell people what they should or should
>> not do. To be exact I said that I wouldn't advice people to join the ES as
>> there is, in my opinion, great danger that this can have negative effect on
>> their moral character and psychological health. This opinion is partly based
>> on my own experience but prevalently on the study on available documents.
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>> On the other hand my story is different from Preethi's and we don't have
>> any need, at least from my part, to form some sort of "victims club". I am
>> studying past and current situation in the TS while Preethi's is now
>> providing interesting personal view and some data which still have to be
>> compared and checked to form reliable information.
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>> My work is actually connected with the use of PC and internet, so I am
>> seldom in a position to check what is going on in the theosophical e-mail
>> lists and communities but according to the number of posts made it seems
>> that you have much more free time to spend on the internet for telling
>> people what is wrong in the TS.
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>> So, please Anand, don't place your words and actions into my mouth.
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>> Warmest regards,
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>> Anton
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>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@ ...> wrote:
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>> > Take another example of Anton. Slovenian Section has ES members as
>> officers. They expelled Anton. As these ES officers are under their Outer
>> Head Mrs. Burnier, he does not think that anybody should join ES, due to his
>> bad experience.
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>> > It should be noted that Preethi or Anton don't have to win elections.
>> They don't care much what TS members think about them. Whereas, reputation
>> is important for Mrs. Burnier because she has to work with people and
>> officers. And perhaps she is hoping to run for the President's office next
>> time also.
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>> > Anton and Preethi have many hours available to spend on internet telling
>> people at theos-talk and elsewhere what wrong is done by Mrs. Radha or by
>> any officer under her.
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>> > Best
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>> > Anand Gholap
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>> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@ > wrote:
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>> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 51858
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>> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "keith_fisher@ " <exsecy@> wrote:
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>> > > > Dear Roberta
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>> > > >
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>> > > > It would be nice to think that you wasn't misinformed, Adyar needs
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>> > > > to be purged of all those who are prejudice or hold a grudge against
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>> > > > the duly elected President before regeneration can start. However,
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>> > > > spiritual forces seem to be taking control of the situation now.
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>> > > > Sadly, Preethi has placed her own head on the block and you will
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>> > > > probably be next, you could go back to Spain and fight a few bulls!
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>> > > > I wish you well
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>> > > > Keith
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>> > > As Keith Fisher was International Secretary, working under Mrs. Radha
>> Burnier, just a few months back, it is possible that such a policy of
>> putting people on the block, may or may not be executed by the TS President
>> Mrs. Radha Burnier. Common sense tells that putting head of members on the
>> block means expelling them from TS or ES.
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>> > > I don't think this policy can serve the purpose of the President
>> Burnier or her followers.
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>> > > Take the example of Preethi. Mrs. Radha removed her from the job,
>> perhaps from TS membership. What was the result? She told everybody in
>> theos-talk how she did wrong to her.
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>> > > Any person, who feels he is treated unjustly, does not forget the
>> insult. Many times such insult keeps in the mind for many years. That means
>> it will be very difficult for Preethi to forget how Mrs. Radha treated her.
>> It is very likely that she will tell her sorrows in this group and in many
>> other online groups. The effect of it is Mrs. Radha is losing her
>> credibility very fast.
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>> > > Preethi won't lose much in life. If she wants, she can still serve the
>> Theosophical cause in many ways and develop spiritually. Major loser could
>> be Mrs. Radha.
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>> > > After Preeti told in this group about Mrs. Radha treatment to her, what
>> was the result? Many people sympathized with her. There came nobody to
>> defend Mrs. Radha, except Keith. You might think that Mrs. Radha has many
>> followers and they will defend Radha online. This is wrong idea.
>> Practically, if any follower of Mrs. Radha wants to defend her, he will send
>> one or two messages in her support and then stop. On the contrary Preethi,
>> or any person who is hurt, will always remember the loss of dignity and will
>> express it everywhere.
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>> > > During last Presidential election, I had not accepted or rejected any
>> of the two candidates. I had rarely ever criticized Mrs. Radha's policies..
>> After elections were over, somebody circulated a wrong message that I
>> supported Mr. John Algeo. And soon ES officers under Mrs. Radha started
>> troubling me. This thing has made me think about character of these people.
>> How can Mrs. Radha expect support when officers under her act unjustly?
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>> > > When internet was not present, it was possible to remove any member of
>> ES or TS and nobody in other part of the world could know it. That time, any
>> injustice done to anybody was not known to others and it was possible to
>> execute policies like Keith mentioned.
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>> > > Now things are changed. You do injustice to anybody and everyone will
>> know it. If such a policy of putting people on the block is executed, people
>> around the world will start rejecting Mrs. Radha Burnier and her supporters.
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>> > > From my observation I can tell that the process of rejecting Mrs.
>> Burnier and her supporters is already started in many places.
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>> > > Anand Gholap
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