Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00593)

Morten ,all, 

Here are links to videos of another Election Protest that so far none of you care to mention: 

WARNING THESE VIDEOS ARE VERY GRAPHIC REMOVE CHILDREN FROM THE ROOM !!! 

This 26 year old women was walking with her music teacher from the university in the crowd of protesters peacefully, calm and doing no harm to anyone when one of the Revolutionary Guard Basij shoot her in the middle chest without cause. The crowd captured him and took his personal identity documents and released him, He is quoted as saying "I didn't want to kill her". The iranian Government refused to allow her family to properly mourn and bury her taking her body from them and burying it immediately and then handing the familly a bill for the bullet that assasinated her. 

Neda Is Alive 

>>>http://www.vidoosh.tv/play.php?vid=4722<<< 

Requiem For Neda 

>>>http://www.vidoosh.tv/play.php?vid=4745<<< 

This man is a GP Doctor he was one of the two men trying to keep her alive that you sawe in the above videos, the other gray haired man in the blue striped shirt was her Music Teacher. In this video he recounted his direct experience at the cost of his future in Iran and his Career. 

Iran Doctor tells of Neda's Death 

>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8119713.stm<<< 

Mapping the Iran Election Protests 

>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8117054.stm<<< 

Basij Thugs shooting unarmed protesters 

>>>http://www.vidoosh.tv/play.php?vid=4798<<< 

Iranians Chant For Freedom 

>>>http://www.vidoosh.tv/play.php?vid=4749<<< 

Thanks for Vidoosh Parsi Television 

Regards, 
John 









----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 10:16:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Masqueraders in cyberspace 








Dear MKR and friends 

My views are: 

Yeah... 
But. let us not forget, that a certain number of persons call themselves Theosophists, when they actually are not. 

And some beginner Seekers find that it is fair to test the other Seekers using another name than their own. It is known that the Count of St. Germain was using a great number of different names, even so he was a high initiate. 

Most persons who find that all kinds of masquerading to be false and non-theosophical are in fact not seldom having a fragment of fear within them which is uncontrolled. They do not like to be caught as ignorants or being told the truth about their not so flattering activities. (Sometimes they seek this at all costs.) 
:-) 
The fact that this is common even among beginner theosophists and various Seekers should be no surprise. 

When you communicate with a person through e-mails you could with advantage consider, that it could be anyone on the planet, (well except yourself - unless you are in Two Minds etc.) . Of course unless you actually know who you are communicating with, and not assuming it. 
:-) 
- - - 

I will just have to reject the idea about being "Shocked" about this. 

The wisdom teachings and theosophical teachings do not opreate according to what ordinary humans want or perceive as the proper manner of behaving. Not much has been written about this by HPB and even later theosophists. 

The wisdom teachings and various initates operates through what we call DESIGN and MEASUREMENT. I will tell you in a compassionate manner, that We who belong to the wisdom teachings does not find it necessary to operate through culturally diplomatic narrowminded patterns just to please ignorant academics, politicians, or even betterknowing bigots. - When it is time to be serious we will be serious. When it is time to act like an academic wil will act like an academic. When it is time to act like a 'New Age' Healer with his or her Heart held up-tight we will do so. - The theosophist operates using a great number of methods and not only the one craved for be the ignorant Seekers. 

- - - 

*** A few words on how a Theosophical Teacher looks like *** 

How can you say what a teacher should look like? The most 
one can do is to make a few remarks about it. 
What is so perplexing to conditioned attitudes about the Theosophists 
is that, unlike teachers of other kinds, they refuse to stick to one 
kind of appearance. As an example, if you go to see an Initiated 
Theosophist, she or he may not look, talk or act like a mystical master at all. This is 
because s/he says either: 'You can teach only by the method 
indicated for each pupil, and you may have to teach by what 
seems to him unlikely'; or else because he says: 'There is time 
and a place and certain company. According to these, we will 
teach. When it is a time to be serious, we will be serious. When it 
is a time to work through what looks like ordinary things, we 
have to do so'. 
So important is this lesson that it can be said to go before all 
others: in the sense that failure to know this can prevent you 
from learning more - and can leave you attached to the externals 
of hypocrites. This includes, of course, unconscious hypocrites. 
If the Theosophists are right in their claim that time affects behaviour, 
and that personal appearance should change (and even temperament) 
then obviously all the people who cultivate a reverend appearance, 
and all those who acquire it, mistaking this for spirituality, 
are wrong. 

It is this unspoken contradiction which makes it almost impossible 
for people who want continuity and easily identifiable 
teaching figures, to accept the change in circumstances and attitudes 
which the Theosophical Way demands. 
These people, of course, will not have thought it out like this. 
All they know is that 'A holy man must seem holy to me'; or 'If 
he always behaves in the same manner, or always exhorts me to the 
same things, I believe that he may be right'. 

The other problem is that the observer is confusing, as he is 
bound to confuse without having understood, continuity and consistency 
with reliability or truth. Because butter always tastes the same when 
it looks the same, he expects a similar 'reliability' in his spiritual 
teacher. He is, of course, self-deceived in this assumption. 
The genesis of the attitude adopted by the people of externals 
is that their inward drive is for finding tidiness, order. This is not 
a spiritual activity, it is perhaps, rather, therapeutic one. Order 
is essential for disordered people. Looking for it as a major factor 
in 'esoteric' directions is the mistake. 

In trying to make what - for them - is order out of what they 
imagine to be the disorder of the Theosophical tradition, they have to 
oversimplify. They ignore parts of the teaching and succeed only in 
creating an imitation of Theosophy. 

Because so many people desire order so strongly, you will find 
more imitations than reality. One cannot blame anyone for this. 
But pointing out facts can help. 

- - - 

Any comments? 
Is this what your local TS leader is teaching you? 

M. Sufilight 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MKR 
To: theos-talk 
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 5:02 PM 
Subject: Theos-World Masqueraders in cyberspace 

Masqueraders in cyber space 

Two of the commonly used techniques to evade personal responsibility are 
masquerading and using others as cat's paws to post messages in cyberspace. 

Masqueraders usually they will take positions or views, they are too scared 
to take under their own names. In a blog at theosophy.net, the well known 
theosophical author K Paul Johnson commented: 
. 
"Where in the world might a Theosophist have gotten the idea that it is OK 
to write letters under fraudulent pen names in order to manipulate 
organizational politics while evading personal responsibility for one's 
actions? I'm SHOCKED, I tell you! At least I was when finding out a "leading 
Blavatsky expert" had been doing that for years. Then I realized that a 
stream can rise no higher than its source." 
. 
The theosophical community world-wide is a very minuscule one. Members, who 
have been around for some years, usually run into each other either 
personally or in cyberspace. From time to time, the community becomes aware 
of the special areas of expertise of the members. Also with most personal 
identifying information now available on Internet for those who know where 
to look, it becomes even more difficult to hide one's identity. 
. 
The pity is, in due course of time, the identity of masquerader is 
discovered and when this happens, it hurts the individual's credibility for 
ever, and also hurts the causes they think they are helping. 
. 
MKR 
. 
Visit theosophy.net and enjoy! 

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