Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00564)

Dear friends

My views are:

Roberta wrote:
"The power of the Outer Head in the ES is absolute. "

Scaring is it not?
I get the feeling that we are in fact talking about a theosophical Popery and the like.

Now, who was it, that warned us against something like that?
And why was it, that before Annie Besant's day as TS leader, the Masters opposed the ES being ín control of the TS?
Has TS in fact merely been a sect since Annie Besant changed the ES to be directly connected with the TS?

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H. P. Blavatsky said: "A PUZZLE FROM ADYAR", 1889
"1st. That the E.S. had never any pretensions to "boss the T.S." stands to reason: with the exception of Col. Olcott, the President, the Esoteric Section has nothing whatever to do with the Theosophical Society, its Council or officers. It is a Section entirely apart from the exoteric body, and independent of it, H.P.B. alone being responsible for its members, as shown in the official announcement over the signature of the President-Founder himself.* It follows, therefore, that the E. S., as a body, owes no allegiance whatever to the Theosophical Society, as a society, least of all to Adyar.
2nd. It is pure nonsense to say that "H.P.B. . . . is loyal to the Theosophical Society and to Adyar" (!?) . H.P.B. is loyal to death to the Theosophical CAUSE, and those great Teachers whose philosophy can alone bind the whole Humanity into one Brotherhood. Together with Col. Olcott, she is the chief Founder and Builder of the Society which was and is meant to represent that CAUSE; and if she is so loyal to H.S. Olcott, it is not at all because of his being its "President," but, firstly, because there is no man living who has worked harder for that Society, or been more devoted to it than the Colonel, and, secondly, because she regards him as a loyal friend and co-worker. Therefore the degree of her sympathies with the "Theosophical Society and Adyar" depends upon the degree of the loyalty of that Society to the CAUSE. Let it break away from the original lines and show disloyalty in its policy to the CAUSE and the original programme of the Society, and H.P.B. calling the T.S. disloyal, will shake it off like dust from her feet.
And what does "loyalty to Adyar" mean, in the name of all wonders? What is Adyar, apart from that CAUSE and the two (not one Founder, if you please) who represent it? Why not loyal to the compound or the bathroom of Adyar?"
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm

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I think I will have to agree on this view.

>>> And expecially this one <<<
"Therefore the degree of her sympathies with the "Theosophical Society and Adyar" depends upon the degree of the loyalty of that Society to the CAUSE. Let it break away from the original lines and show disloyalty in its policy to the CAUSE and the original programme of the Society, and H.P.B. calling the T.S. disloyal, will shake it off like dust from her feet."
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm


Now are TS Adyar deviating from the "original programme"?
And was H. P. Blavatsky wrong in her statements?

I wonder what the TS members will answer to these questions, and especially Radha Burnier.


M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: robertapimenta26 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:55 PM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: The Esoteric School Lobby





  Dear Mr. Anand,

  The power of the Outer Head in the ES is absolute. This body is not democratic or transparent. The Outer Head can expel anyone from the ES at any moment in time, without any explanation given. Be aware that this is not a secret, there is sufficient literature available about this subject. 

  In a presidential election process, as took place last year in the Adyar group, I believe that 'officially' ES members were free to choose their candidate, but that in practice many ES members felt, or were told by their warden that voting for Mr. John Algeo would show disloyalty and disrespect to the Outer Head of the ES, Mrs. Radha Burnier. This means that the Outer Head of the ES, is able to have a great, or a decisive influence, on the outcome of a presidential election in the TS. I mentioned this last week as well: there is evidence available that ES members, who were in doubt about the physical or mental condition of the International President, were told, that if they had such doubts, they should step out of the ES. 

  One other thing came to my mind when I read again Mr. Ramadoss' repeated remarks about the silence from those respected theosophists at a center like Krotona in the USA. The Outer Head of the ES is also the head of that center, and all those who live there, all ES members, do so by the grace of Mrs. Radha Burnier. Taking the above in consideration, it is not so difficult to imagine why they're not making any comments, yes? They take the risk of being expelled from the center if they'd do anything which is not in accordance with the wishes and policies of Mrs. Radha Burnier, yes? 

  Think about this!

  Later on today, I will set out for a long trip, so I won't be able to contribute much in the next weeks, but as football trainers tell their players, I say to you all: Keep pour eyes on the ball!!!

  Roberta 

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
  >
  > The presidential elections in Theosophical Society are conducted through secrete ballot. So others may not know for which presidential candidate a person votes. But in many Theosophical lodges elections don't happen through secrete ballot. So everyone knows for whom a member votes.
  > If an ES warden is running for the office, which they generally do, then how can an ES member under him vote against the ES warden, when he knows that this warden can expel that member from ES?
  > Not only that, how can a member of the lodge or a managing committee of the lodge challenge any proposal supported by an ES warden, when he knows that this warden can expel him from the ES?
  > Similarly, how can anybody in the General Council challenge any proposal supported by the Outer Head of ES, when he knows he can be expelled by this Outer Head of ES?
  > Anand Gholap
  >



  

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