Re: Theos-World Re: Strange pattern of secrecy/non transparency
Jun 19, 2009 03:51 AM
by Antonio
I think it is a good idea also , only i wouldnt really know where to begin. Perhaps identifying the weaknesses within current TS circles that have contributed to the evolution of this discussion albeit it inadvertantly. You can only grow stronger by learning from past mistakes so i feel it would first need to be a matter of identifying where and why the problems exist at present and then how to set up another branch with anough structure to counteract the eventuality happening again in the new brance.
--- On Fri, 19/6/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com> wrote:
From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Strange pattern of secrecy/non transparency
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 19 June, 2009, 2:27 AM
Good idea.
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Donât we have a group here. Also we have a group at www.theosophy. net. What
is needed to get going is a set of good ideas. Then comes a plan and
execution. We also need to be very alert and on the look out for some of the
âoldâ hands who may want to take over or manipulate from the background
using their willing surrogates or catâs paws.
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Based on the last yearâs episode of the secret coup attempt by a handful of
GC members to take over the presidency by disenfranchising all members
around the globe and then in turn take over the organization, we need to be
vigilant and continue moving in a parallel course to protect the existing
organization.
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Now the floor is open for some creative ideas from members.
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MKR
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Visit www.theosophy. net for interesting discussions etc.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Antonio <spirit777child@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
>
>
> Interesting thread of discussion.
>
> Is it not possible for all those members that share the same concerns about
> secrecy and openess to come together and create another more just and
> inspiring branch of the TS? Would it require permission? What would be the
> grounds from TS members to reject such a needed action? I think with the use
> of the internet and the connections and personal profiles we have of members
> and non-members regarding stance or positions on TS, it would not take much
> effort to begin such a movement. It would have to obvisouly be non
> threatening and for the interest and benefit of all TS members and avid
> interested personages. The only doubt i have is would it be strickly for
> communication purpouses or could there be enough knowledge and wisdom within
> this potential group of people who could manifest such a reality, to apply
> the more practical or ritualistic side of Theosophy and thus create
> something awe inspiring and revolutionary. Considering the on-going
> unhappiness and
> concern expressed by many members would it not be a worthy option to
> consider? Like all governements , if they stop working for the people and
> are only concerned with their own progress or interests it is indicative of
> a time for upheaval , revolution or change. TS needs a new lease of life a
> fresh breath with more universally gratifying objectives and goals.
>
> Just my opinion and possible food for thought.
>
> Peace and Blessings
> Antonio/Daddy ;)
>
> --- On Thu, 18/6/09, robertapimenta26 <robertapimenta26@ yahoo.com<robertapimenta26% 40yahoo.com> >
> wrote:
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> From: robertapimenta26 <robertapimenta26@ yahoo.com<robertapimenta26% 40yahoo.com>
> >
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Strange pattern of secrecy/non transparency
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Thursday, 18 June, 2009, 11:05 PM
>
>
> Mr. Ramadoss,
>
> The secrecy, and the strange, darkish political games being played behind
> closed doors, is so bad for the TS Adyar. The ES is not transparent that is
> a fact, but is should be above all politics. All can read this in TS
> literature. Olcott at first was opposed to the ES, afraid for a state in the
> state. Perhaps he was right after all!! The Pasadena group was wise to
> dissolve the ES.
>
> Roberta
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Strange pattern of secrecy/non transparency
>
> >
>
> > It looks like, in the leadership around the world and the underlings who,
>
> > for all practical purposes, seem to be under the thumb of the leaders,
> there
>
> > is a pattern of secrecy/non transparency and silence.
>
> >
>
> > .
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> >
>
> > Many long time members of this and other theosophical maillists know
>
> > that you rarely see any of the leaders world-wide or anyone who has
> anything
>
> > to do with the administration participate or comment on anything good or
> bad
>
> > or indifferent happening to TS. During the last almost 15 years, only two
>
> > General Secretaries have participated on this maillist. They are, the
> late
>
> > Einar from Iceland and Warwick from NZ. Has anyone come up with a reason
>
> > why?
>
> >
>
> > .
>
> >
>
> > Also even in the USA, we have not seen any of those who are or were in
> the
>
> > administration participate in any of the maillists and I do not think
> that
>
> > this is accidental. We all know that this list is being monitored by the
>
> > leaders and long-time members. From time to time, it is highly suspected
>
> > that some participants may have been and being used as a conduit in the
>
> > discussions by leaders so that they can keep their hands clean. Some
> readers
>
> > are fully aware of this.
>
> >
>
> > .
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> >
>
> > The non participation is not due to lack of computer access or skills,
>
> > because email is used by everyone everyday for communication much like
> the
>
> > telephone. I suspect that it is just another secrecy and control
>
> > manifestation that may be flowing from long term association with secret
>
> > organizations.
>
> >
>
> > .
>
> > This widespread mentality of secrecy makes it difficult for anyone think
> of
>
> > transparency and also the lack of transparency makes it easy to carryout
>
> > plans which may be detrimental to TS and its members without any ordinary
>
> > member raising questions.
>
> > .
>
> > We saw a classic display of this in the last yearÃââs super secret
> attempt to
>
> > disenfranchise all the members and even when it was discovered and there
> was
>
> > shock and unbelief from members, no apology was forthcoming from the
>
> > proponents.
>
> >
>
> > .
>
> >
>
> > Unless the leaders wake up and start working for transparency, there is
>
> > going to be other coups in future hurting TS and theosophy. Implementing
>
> > transparency is easy. Each Section is fully autonomous and there is
> widest
>
> > latitude to implement transparency measure immediately. But, for those
> who
>
> > grew up in a opaque environment, it is very difficult to see the
> advantages
>
> > of transparency. Instead of harping on International problems, whether
> real
>
> > or imagined, now is the time to take steps to open up the sectionÃââs
>
> > activities and demonstrate to other sections how transparency can be
>
> > implemented now and how it safeguards the interests of TS.
>
> >
>
> > Let us not forget the 1900 Letter (warning) from Master KH:
>
> >
>
> > +++Misleading secrecy has given the death blow to numerous organizations.
> +++
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> > MKR
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> >
>
> > Visit www.theosophy. net
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
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> >
>
> > On 6/18/09, robertapimenta26 <robertapimenta26@ ...> wrote:
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > Dear Mr. Anand,
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> > >
>
> > > The ES of the Adyar group is not an open body as you know, so members
> are
>
> > > reluctant to come out into the open. But I guess that in particular
> among
>
> > > certain ES members, and their local leaders, a lobby was formed to
> secure
>
> > > the re-election of Radha Burnier, no matter what.
>
> > >
>
> > > Why they did this? One can only guess!
>
> > >
>
> > > Roberta
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> "Anand"
>
> > > <AnandGholap@ > wrote:
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> > > >
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> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>,
>
> > > "robertapimenta26" <robertapimenta26@ > wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Last year, in Brazil, some ES members who showed their deep concern
> and
>
> > > openly shared their doubts, were told by their local leader, that IF
> they
>
> > > were not certain of Radha Burnier's health, or her capacities to lead
> the
>
> > > TS, they should leave the ES.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Similar things happened in other Latin American countries.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Roberta
>
> > > > >
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> > > > Dear Roberta,
>
> > > > If these things are interpreted correctly, it would mean that message
>
> > > given by local leaders to ES members was "accept Radha Burnier as
> leader of
>
> > > TS or leave the ES"
>
> > > > Who do you think was behind giving such message to ES members in
>
> > > different countries?
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