Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00305)

I find it amusing that everytime christianity is threatened it pulls out the Anti-Christ.  You can't turn on the television now without getting stories abound with anti-christ and apocalyptic prophesy.   My suspicious nature suggests that should a man come into the world that unites the world who would be most hurt?    Can't help thinking that the Vatican uses the anti-christ theme when its foundations and continuance is threatened.

Current best pick for the new anti-christ is Obama.  

Cass


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>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, 13 June, 2009 10:45:40 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World NARADA - MORTEN
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>Dear Martin
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>My views are:
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>So you are saying, that what he did was allright and coincided with the theosophical cause?
>Will building a phallic Liberal Catholic Church end the strifes between the worlds religions and create a non-phallic Universal Brotherhood of humanity?
>And is for instance the main idea behind the original TS or even the Parliament of World Religions a platform more suitable in this respect?
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>H. P. Blavatsky said:
>"To prove this was the aim of Ammonius, who endeavoured to induce Gentiles and Christians, Jews and Idolaters, to lay aside their contentions and strifes, remembering only that they were all in possession of the same truth under various vestments, and were all the children of a common mother. * This is the aim of Theosophy likewise. "
>(The Key to Theosophy, p. 4) - http://www.phx- ult-lodge. org/aKEY. htm
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>But there is more to it than the above.
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>"But if we are talking about the teacher who has disciples, it's because I feel no need for an admiring audience to tell me how wonderful I am or to do what I say. I believe that the guru needs his disciples. If he had a sufficient outlet for his desire to be a big shot or his feeling of holiness or his wish to have others dependent on him, he wouldn't be a guru. 
>I got all that out of my system very early and, consistent with Sufi tradition, I believe that those who don't want to teach are the ones who can and should. The West still has a vocation hang-up and has not yet discovered this. Here, the only recognized achiever is an obsessive. In the East we believe that a person who can't help doing a thing isn't necessarily the best one to do it. A compulsive cookie baker may bake very bad cookies. "
>(Idries Shah) - http://www.katinkah esselink. net/sufi/ sufi-shah. html
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>And am I saying that a person who feels that he must engage in a certain profession is doing it because of some emotional need.
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>I think this is very often the case, and it doesn't necessarily produce the best professional. Show an ordinary person an obsessive and he will believe you have shown him a dedicated and wonderful person - provided he share his beliefs. If he doesn't, of course, he regards the one obsessed as evil. Theosophical teaching regards this as a facile and untrue posture. And if there is one consistency in the theosophical teachings, it is that man must be in the world but not of the world. There is no role for a priest-king or guru, even if Avatars occurs.
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>Their followers need the guru as much as the guru needs his followers. I just don't regard it as a religious operation. I take a guru to be a sort of psychotherapist, and perhaps even a heretical one. At the very best, he keeps people quiet and polarized around him and gives some sort of meaning to their lives.
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>Some are frankly phonies, and they don't try to hide it from me. They think that I am one, too, so when we meet they begin the most disturbing conversations. They want to know how I get money, how I control people, and so on.
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>Idries Shah said:
>"People are always looking for leaders; that does not mean that this is the time for a leader. The problems that a leader would be able to resolve have not been identified. Nor does the clamor mean that those who cry out are suitable followers. Most of the people who demand a leader seem to have some baby's idea of what a leader should do. The idea that a leader will walk in and we will all recognize him and follow him and everybody will be happy strikes me as a strangely immature atavism. Most of these people, I believe, want not a leader but excitement. I doubt that those who cry the loudest would obey a leader if there was one. Talk is cheap, and a lot of the talk comes from millions of old washerwomen. " 
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>"Getting the masses is the easy part. A guru can attract a crowd of a million in India, but few in a crowd take him seriously. You see, India has had gurus for thousands of years, so they are generally sophisticated about them; they take in the attitude with their mothers' milk. This culture just hasn't been inoculated against the guru. Let's turn it around. If I were fresh off a plane from India and told you that I was going to Detroit to become a wonderful automobile millionaire, you would smile at me. You know perfectly well the obstacles, the taxes, the ulcers that I face. Well, the Indian is in the same position with the automobile industry as the American with the guru. I'm not impressed by naive American reactions to gurus; if you can show me a guru who can pull off that racket in the East, then I will be surprised."
>(Idries Shah) - http://www.katinkah esselink. net/sufi/ sufi-shah. html
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>The same with the many TS Adyar members and their Radha and Krishnamurti etc. etc.
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>So yes, CWL was silly and stupid in certain respects and in others not.
>In the overall picture CWL was a man who fell on the Path. Others might disagree and promote their Christian Liberal ideas until THEIR Kingdom and saviour come. :-)
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>To judge or not to judge.
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>Dear Martin remember: 
>"...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at their right value; and unless a judge compares notes and hears
>both sides he can hardly come to a correct decision." H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 218.
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>M. Sufilight
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Martin 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:27 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World NARADA - MORTEN
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>Was it silly or stupid? Have you known CWL? Ever talked about it with him?
>Beware of judging others, you may be judged yourself...
>Behind every deed there is an individual motive, and behind an individual motive is a world-karmic motive, and behind a world-karmic motive is a Lipika and behind the Lipika's is Parabrahm...
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>--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote:
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>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
>Subject: Re: Theos-World NARADA - MORTEN
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 11:53 AM
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>The reason was the Law of Karma
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>And also CWL's silly or stupid love for the Christian Church!
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>M. Sufilight
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>----- Original Message ----- 
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>From: Cass Silva 
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>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 4:21 AM
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>Subject: Re: Theos-World NARADA - MORTEN
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>Why didn't Leadbeater rebuke the Nazis use of Blavatsky's teachings on the 5th root race.
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>Cass
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>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
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>>Sent: Saturday, 13 June, 2009 12:12:10 AM
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>>Subject: Re: Theos-World NARADA - MORTEN
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>>What? 
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>>I did not get that. Please explain further what you want to know.
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>>From: Cass Silva 
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>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>>Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:30 AM
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>>Subject: Re: Theos-World NARADA - MORTEN
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>>What has Leadbeater's non-action got to do with Karma?
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>>Cass
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>>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>>>Sent: Friday, 12 June, 2009 1:28:40 AM
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>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World NARADA - MORTEN
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>>>There is the Law of Karma.
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>>>And the Masters do not make unwilling persons slaves.
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>>>Yet the Law of Karma is most often not understood by many Seekers.
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>>>I can only emphasize this, through the knowledge have have received about this issue.
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>>>M. Sufilight
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>>>----- Original Message ----- 
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>>>From: Cass Silva 
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>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
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>>>Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:08 AM
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>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World NARADA - MORTEN
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>>>I want to know why Leadbeater or any other theosophist didn't rebuke the Nazis, then or even now, for distorting the teachings of HPB.
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>>>Cass
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>>>>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
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>>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>>>>Sent: Thursday, 11 June, 2009 5:25:39 AM
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>>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World NARADA - MORTEN
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>>>>Yes. But from this "necessary evil" we also immediately also has an unnecessary evil.
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>>>>Thats is at least logical to me. 
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>>>>And that again will explain the Dugpa issue. - And also why the Sorcery at the Christian Vatican and its High Mass and lip-prayers might be something else than what those AAB followers would like to hear. Because the AAB followers like to Invoke their own version of Christ as an external physical human and as a giantic Male. A giant physical Male expected to come around year 2012-2040 according to their Bibles written by AAB through someone named D.K. and called a Master.
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>>>>Books even claiminging to be partly based on HPB's writings and books claiming that HPB's teachings will be vindicated AND justified! - ("A Treatise on Cosmic Fire", page 707-8, written 1925, by Alice A. Bailey)
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>>>>And H. P. Blavatsky said:
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>>>>"The Society founded to remedy the glaring evils of Christianity, to shun bigotry and intolerance, cant and superstition and to cultivate real universal love extending even to the dumb brute".
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>>>>(The Collected Writings of H. P. Blavatsky, vol. 7, p.246) 
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>>>>Master KH wrote in a Mahatma Letter:
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>>>>For the opposition represents enormous vested interests, and they have enthusiastic help from the Dugpas -- in Bhootan and the Vatican!
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>>>>(Here is all of Mahtama Letter, No. 55. Dugpas are the same as selfish Magicians.) 
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>>>>M. Sufilight
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>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
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>>>>From: Cass Silva 
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>>>>To: Theosophy 
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>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:23 AM
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>>>>Subject: Theos-World NARADA - MORTEN
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>>>>Unfortunately my pc refuses to reply to your email so trying a new way.
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>>>>Cass
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>>>>Great, thanks for this Morten, obviously Phillip Lindsay drew off HPB. Found this sentence intriguing 
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>>>>"Nor is it through any ambitious or selfish motive; but, verily, to serve and guide universal progress and evolution."
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>>>>HPB is suggesting that Narada is a neccessary evil in balancing the karmic load. 
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>>>>So are the dugpas an enfoldment of Narada on the physical plane - or do they yet again, have a different agenda? 
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>>>>Cass 
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