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Re: Theos-World On Nazi's using HPB's books and ideas.

Jun 11, 2009 09:15 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen

Dear friends and Henry

My views are:

But people can claim all what they want, just like the tabloid Journalists.
I would not care much if they cannot forward any substantial evidence.

But, they shall of course not be allowed to drag the Old Lady and TS through the mud.
So therefore I would like you to consider the following - to e-mail to those who are ignorant:

1. The Nazi ideology used Pagan ceremonies - the TS did not.
2. The TS was and is open to any Seekers following the three objects and allows/allowed ALL races to participate. The Nazis disallowed Jews, and also others who by them was called inferior people.
3. The Nazi ideology was based on the idea that the Runes was a superior alphabet. But HPB said that Senzar was. And that Sanskrit and Chinese was a distorted verions of it. The runes cannot be called Senzar as some of us know about it.
4. One thing both groups agree upon is that the Swastika is and was an important symbol. The motives for using it differs however. The Swastika used by TS, was used to denote the Evolution theosophically speaking - as emanation, the Sun and Fohat, and even DNA if you like. In Nazism the Swastika symbolized by "the symbol of the creating, acting life" - The Symbol is important because it is part of nature - as DNA, as Spiral-Galaxies, as the Sun, as a chakra etc. etc.
5. TS motto was: There is no religion higher than the truth. The motto of Nazism was: "Got mit uns" as well as lying.
6. The Nazism ideology taught about racial purity through slaughtering of inferior people. TS taught about purity of thought and altruistic deeds, and the Law of Karma. The TS promotes wisdom teachings to all Races and creeds.
7. The Nazi organizational structure was based on the The Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) structure. The TS was based on a structure of democracy - seeking concensus.
8. Nazism was a political-occult organization. The TS was never a political party. The TS was founded to never meddle in politics, although corruption would have to be dealt with in a compassionate manner. Yet TS and theosophical teachings are not the same.
9. The Christians have supported the Nazis. The Christians has never supported the TS, because it knows very well, that the TS are seekers after Truth.
10.  The aim of the TS was the same as that of Ammonious Saccas: To end the strifes between the worlds religions (The Key to Theosophy, p. 6). And not like the Nazis to root those out, who disagreed with ones ideological views.

Maybe others have some additional and even better remarks about the differences.
Let us add them. And perhaps someone would like to e-mail the BBC? producer behind the movie you talked about?

M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Henry B. Ellak 
  Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:57 AM
  Subject: Theos-World On Nazi's using HPB's books and ideas.

  FYI,  on another list, I just mention theosophy of HPB and I get response HPB
  was a Nazi, or her books were used by the Nazi's.

  History channel, on show on the occult side of the Nazi's,  shows
  one of HPB's  books used by the Nazi's.

  Hard for me to show where HPB was not a Nazi or her thoughts led to Nazism.
  Henry B. Ellak

  --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Cass Silva <> wrote:

  From: Cass Silva <>
  Subject: Re: Theos-World NARADA - MORTEN
  Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 8:08 PM

  I want to know why Leadbeater or any other theosophist didn't rebuke the Nazis, then or even now, for distorting the teachings of HPB.


  >From: Morten Nymann Olesen <>
  >Sent: Thursday, 11 June, 2009 5:25:39 AM
  >Subject: Re: Theos-World NARADA - MORTEN
  >Yes. But from this "necessary evil" we also immediately also has an unnecessary evil.
  >Thats is at least logical to me. 
  >And that again will explain the Dugpa issue. - And also why the Sorcery at the Christian Vatican and its High Mass and lip-prayers might be something else than what those AAB followers would like to hear. Because the AAB followers like to Invoke their own version of Christ as an external physical human and as a giantic Male. A giant physical Male expected to come around year 2012-2040 according to their Bibles written by AAB through someone named D.K. and called a Master.
  >Books even claiminging to be partly based on HPB's writings and books claiming that HPB's teachings will be vindicated AND justified! - ("A Treatise on Cosmic Fire", page 707-8, written 1925, by Alice A. Bailey)
  >- - - - - - -
  >And H. P. Blavatsky said:
  >"The Society founded to remedy the glaring evils of Christianity, to shun bigotry and intolerance, cant and superstition and to cultivate real universal love extending even to the dumb brute".
  >(The Collected Writings of H. P. Blavatsky, vol. 7, p.246) 
  >Master KH wrote in a Mahatma Letter:
  >For the opposition represents enormous vested interests, and they have enthusiastic help from the Dugpas -- in Bhootan and the Vatican!
  >(Here is all of Mahtama Letter, No. 55. Dugpas are the same as selfish Magicians.) 
  >M. Sufilight
  >----- Original Message ----- 
  >From: Cass Silva 
  >To: Theosophy 
  >Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:23 AM
  >Subject: Theos-World NARADA - MORTEN
  >Unfortunately my pc refuses to reply to your email so trying a new way.
  >Great, thanks for this Morten, obviously Phillip Lindsay drew off HPB. Found this sentence intriguing 
  >"Nor is it through any ambitious or selfish motive; but, verily, to serve and guide universal progress and evolution."
  >HPB is suggesting that Narada is a neccessary evil in balancing the karmic load. 
  >So are the dugpas an enfoldment of Narada on the physical plane - or do they yet again, have a different agenda? 
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