Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
Jun 09, 2009 00:19 AM
by Martin
G. de P. called this phenomena "Narada-Shiva", a physical representative to balance the world. In this Kali-yuga a representative like him will show up more than once untill the Kalki Avatar appears...however that will take another 427000 years or so...
--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 4:16 AM
Read an interesting take on Lord of the rings by Phillip Lindsay. He believes that Lord of the Rings is the Atlantean story, the chief sorcerer being Saruman, Gandalf the white sorcerer, the hobbits with 6 toes, humanity and the 6th root race.
He connected Asuramaya (Mayan Manu) as a representative of Narada (karma's visible adjuster) and he who brings on wars and ends them. It was Asuramaya who gave to the Mayans their knowledge of astrology, etc. The name the Mayans use for this deity is Pesh Hun Narada. Interesting also that Asura Maya may be interpreted as Deva of Illusion-No?
This brings up the question ofÂwhether Narada is a necessary force in order to bring into effect an equilibrium in global karma. What does HPB say about Narada? Perhaps in the Kali Yuga it is humans by their selfish materialism have generated a need for a balancing Asura Maya?
Cass
----- Original Message ----
> From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol. com>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009 6:19:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2009, at 6/5/093:21 PM, Antonio wrote:
>
> > But I say
> > unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good unto them whichÂ
> > hate you, bless
> > them that curse you, pray for them which despitefully use you.
> >
> > Luke
> > 6:27-28
> >
> > "There is no fear in love; but Perfect Love casteth out fear:
> > because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect inÂ
> > love" (1John 4:18).
> >
> > These
> > bible quotes are typical of my original point in that until weÂ
> > learn to love
> > evil it will never exit us.
>
> Loving the one who does evil, due to ignorance or misguidance, is oneÂ
> thing.... But loving the evil itself, as you seem to imply, is quiteÂ
> another. Loving evil is like loving to kill or maim babies andÂ
> pulling wings off flies. While someone may be misled by evil astralÂ
> entities, into doing evil acts -- its the individual's higher selfÂ
> that we should love -- not the lower animal nature that is misguidedÂ
> and dominates the personality.
>
> Perhaps you misunderstand the actual meaning of the scripturesÂ
> quoted. Thinking that evil is like a demon that enters us and can beÂ
> exorcised one way or another -- is the height of dogmatic religiousÂ
> ignorance, based on Christian theologies that have no basis in actualÂ
> reality... And are an entirely misinterpreted and distorted view ofÂ
> the hierarchy of Dhyan Chohanic conscious beings that exists in theÂ
> higher order spiritual realms prior to the involution into matter onÂ
> the physical plane and their incarnation into human beings -- afterÂ
> long ages of evolution on Earth's rounds and races, periodically upÂ
> through the mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms -- as taught inÂ
> theosophy.
>
> As for the idea of universal brotherhood, based on love of all ofÂ
> nature and pure altruism among human beings... That is well coveredÂ
> by the Heart Doctrine of theosophy... And needs no religiousÂ
> proselytizers to preach its practice as an alternative to theÂ
> vengeance of God and eternal suffering in a non existent fiery hell.
>
> IOW, Evil does not exist as an entity in itself... Or at all.-- untilÂ
> mankind's mind is awakened, and selfishness and greed rear their uglyÂ
> head -- as one of the choices of free will, coupled with theÂ
> ignorance of one's true higher nature, or "self realization. "
>
> Only the study and practice of theosophy, based on one's own selfÂ
> devised and self determined effort, can rectify that... And makeÂ
> each student a nucleus of Universal Brotherhood -- without preachingÂ
> about God's punishment, fomenting emotional belief in Jesus' love, orÂ
> coercion of any kind. People do not learn anything about their ownÂ
> true nature by being preached to -- either through rhetoric, mantras,Â
> music, or other emotion based, mind control methods.
>
> So, thinking that one can save the world by educating the masses toÂ
> act humanely and lovingly to all that lives (including the earth) byÂ
> means of music or preaching -- seems to be a pipe dream. And, doingÂ
> it by using any sort of occult coercion or mind control techniques,Â
> could be as evil as the ideas they are trying to change... TeachingÂ
> through reason and logic, coupled with learning through selfÂ
> determined study and effort, is one thing... But doing so by anyÂ
> other means is quite another. Is it any wonder why the MastersÂ
> refused to interfere directly in the karma of individuals or theirÂ
> societies?
>
> All that such methods can do is build up a resistance by the darkÂ
> forces using the same covert techniques and media. Although, sinceÂ
> they are already doing so, it is useful to counteract their effortsÂ
> using the same media. By so reaching a balance between good and evilÂ
> we can attempt to neutralize their evil teachings... But, nothingÂ
> much can be accomplished toward achieving the enlightenment of ALLÂ
> humanity no matter how well we use the magic of the mass media. Â
> Teaching through words reinforced by music is still emotionalÂ
> magic... And has no really lasting effect -- especially on those notÂ
> moved by music. Although on the evil side, "gangsta rap" music hasÂ
> fueled the organization of violent criminal gangs throughout theÂ
> western world.
>
> But, by spread broadcasting the truths of theosophy by any meansÂ
> available -- without any reference to any religions or their dogmasÂ
> -- will still remain a useful activity for all true theosophists. ..Â
> That will ultimately lead to universal acceptance -- when science hasÂ
> finally proven beyond a shadow if a doubt that the cyclic universe isÂ
> exactly as HPB described it in the Secret Doctrine (and as I haveÂ
> attempted to explain it logically, scientifically and geometricallyÂ
> in the ABC Holographic field theory of cosmogenesis, mind andÂ
> consciousness) .
>
> Once everyone realizes the scientific basis of karma andÂ
> reincarnation, and begins to act in accord with the heart doctrine ofÂ
> theosophy -- the aim, purpose and end in view of the ancientÂ
> Theosophical Movement of the ages will be fulfilled... Hopefully,Â
> before the end of this century.
>
> Leon
> http://dzyanmaster. wordpress. com/
>
> P.S. BTW Antonio, maybe you should try and fix or change your emailÂ
> program -- so it doesn't keep adding extra empty line spacing everyÂ
> time you qoute previous emails. Makes it very difficult to read. AsÂ
> it is, I clipped off at least 30 pages of blank lines under Daniel'sÂ
> letter. This extension of your mails is not only an imposition onÂ
> all your readers, but also severely hampers the already overburdenedÂ
> internet mail system.
>
> ---------Original Message----- ------
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>
> > Thatâs very interesting.
> >
> > I do believe that evil exists in a demonic form letâs say pure evilÂ
> > and that
> > that evil is loosed upon humanity to cause chaos. However it isÂ
> > those evil
> > forces alongside positive forces or lets say loving forces that areÂ
> > naturally projected
> > onto each of us.
> >
> > In turn we naturally take from these forces and in essence theyÂ
> > become part of
> > who we are.
> >
> > These forces work through Television (tell lie vision), music,Â
> > games, popular
> > cult-ure and all medium through which we learn about ourselves andÂ
> > the world we
> > are enclosed in.
> >
> > Every action every thought every word we speak or hear is a by-
> > product of the
> > forces and energies imposed on us from birth to death.
> >
> > In everything we do say or think there is a spectrum that existsÂ
> > which ranges
> > from love/good to hate/evil.
> >
> > It is the role of the soul to act through the body in implementingÂ
> > a decision
> > maker.
> >
> > The soul decides how to act, how to perceive and how to choose andÂ
> > the result
> > we make always determines the level of energy we receive throughÂ
> > those forces.
> >
> > There are ways to master this invisible world of energies aroundÂ
> > us, this in
> > essence is what the dark arts practice.
> >
> > To be a true occultist you have to master living on another planeÂ
> > of existence.
> > One in which you are interwoven into the fabric or space timeÂ
> > continuum between
> > the world in which we exist and the dark world of the ether/the abyss.
> >
> > Through many years of self discipline and practice one can enterÂ
> > this world as
> > a true alchemist. Able to affect the world around him/her with theÂ
> > intricacies
> > of a skilled puppet master.
> >
> > As children we grow whilst being subjected to these very forcesÂ
> > that occultists
> > are able to manipulate. This is why children as well as adults mustÂ
> > always
> > remember that our souls and our consciences are impressionable toÂ
> > these forces
> > and must learn to recognise and channel them.
> >
> > As evolving occultists each human is at a precipice in theirÂ
> > existence where
> > there will come a time in which they will have to make aÂ
> > fundamental choice.
> >
> > One of sides and not Luke-warm fence-sitting either. A time toÂ
> > choose sides
> > between good and evil.
> >
> > When we come full circle in this stage of our evolution we areÂ
> > faced with a
> > choice. One in which our souls naturally lean towards, devoid ofÂ
> > the effect of
> > our will upon it.
> >
> > This will mark a turning point in the next stage of our evolution.Â
> > A point in
> > time with no more grey area, no more middle ground or in-betweenÂ
> > only up or
> > down left or right black or white rich or poor good or evil. WeÂ
> > will all then
> > gain another dimension to our reality and exist within this newÂ
> > reality until
> > our next evolutionary shift.
> >
> > This is why we must learn to love evil. To rise above it. To trulyÂ
> > realise its
> > nature and its purpose. And to over-stand it as just another propÂ
> > for humanity
> > to lean on , on our way to growing and being fully realised.
> >
> >
> >
> > Peace and
> > blessing
> >
> > Maitonio
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Cass Silva wrote:
> >
> > From: Cass Silva
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer ofÂ
> > Truth"?
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Friday, 5 June, 2009, 1:36 AM
> >
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> >Â Â Â regarding your comment on children who cause attrocities toÂ
> > animals.
> >
> >
> >
> > My limited knowledge is that serial killers are so disconnectedÂ
> > from their higher self and conscience, that no amount ofÂ
> > understanding would ever work. Most come from dysfunctionalÂ
> > families (past karmic ties) but some come out of what we wouldÂ
> > consider average families. I think HPB called them soulless.
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe that one can feel a sense of compassion for themÂ
> > (provided they haven't slaughtered any of our own) but to try toÂ
> > cure them is beyond our limitations. They are not possessed byÂ
> > demons they themselves are demonic.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cass
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> >
> > From: Antonio
> >
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> >
> > Sent: Friday, 5 June, 2009 2:38:25 AM
> >
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer ofÂ
> > Truth"?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Cass,
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your reply. I am not too sure about Dugpas, theirÂ
> > origins or there point of being as i have not read up on them otherÂ
> > than the few recent emails i have come across of late on thisÂ
> > thread. I can assume they are another spin on the Muslim Jinns?Â
> > Perhaps i am mistaken.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regarding the need to love evil and hate, to simplyfy my meaning ofÂ
> > this it would be best to set an example. If a child does somethingÂ
> > evil, lets say traps a bird in a box then proceeds to torture itÂ
> > with his freinds and they all have a laugh at the expense of theÂ
> > life of the bird this can be construde as an evil act. Perhaps evilÂ
> > through intention or iggnorence either leads to the same end. NowÂ
> > this childs parents hear what has transpired. They can address thisÂ
> > one of two way. The can choose to react poisitivly or negativly.Â
> > From a negative perspective they would be consumed with anger atÂ
> > their childs action and he may suffer a hiding or be grounded or beÂ
> > punished in other ways. This would imply that the parents wereÂ
> > unwilling to look at the situation from a positive persepctive. IfÂ
> > we think in terms of spectrums from bad to good this action wouldÂ
> > be somewhere near bad as it is an instinctive reactive response toÂ
> > a situation which has aroused in them
> >
> > anger. This anger overwhelms them emotionally and thus the couldÂ
> > care less at that moment in time and take out their frustrations onÂ
> > their child in a punishable way. This to me is a spirituallyÂ
> > immature way of dealing with the situation and lacks love at theÂ
> > heart of the parents actions. Many people would be happy to sayÂ
> > what an evil child it is good that the parents punished him.Â
> > ultimatly the child may learn not to do this but none the less theÂ
> > child will be scared emotionally by his parents reactive anger. OnÂ
> > the other hand the parents may choose to look at the situation fromÂ
> > a posititive perspective and thus try to understand the childsÂ
> > actions, why he did what he did and how to correct the childsÂ
> > actions through explaining to him the error of his ways. To do thisÂ
> > the parents would need to show understanding. Now understanding canÂ
> > easily be seperated from love however in my opinion they go hand inÂ
> > hand. To try to understand that child is to have
> >
> > that childs best interests at heart and thus try to accept theÂ
> > childs reasoning for his actions however emotionally testing theyÂ
> > can be. By listening and being patient with their child they showÂ
> > signs of compassion. Even so that child too the life of a bird ifÂ
> > the parents expalined the significant importance of the childsÂ
> > negative actions through love there would be more chance that thatÂ
> > child would grow up looking at life and respecting and appreciatingÂ
> > it more. To understand evil to show it compassion to explain to itÂ
> > its destructive powers and to teach it to channel this energy moreÂ
> > productivly and positivly to me is the same as loving it. So when iÂ
> > say to love evil/hate/lucifer/ satan what i am aiming to express isÂ
> > that even so these things may be evil by showing them negativityÂ
> > they only grow more negative. By showing them understand compassionÂ
> > love and patience we can teach evil there is no positive outcomeÂ
> > just an end. If evil has an amount of
> >
> > intelligence it will realise that to be itself is self defeatingÂ
> > and thus will evolve and trun itself into a positive. This is whatÂ
> > happened to me during my spiritual overshadowing. I become freeÂ
> > from my negative forces i taught myself to love me negative side toÂ
> > understand it, to show it compassion and give it time to change andÂ
> > so now i feel i have grown emotionaally and spiritually to a pointÂ
> > that if this evil surfaces i am able to recognise it from withingÂ
> > and channel this energy productivly and positivly without itÂ
> > overwhelming me. Without becoming angry, posesive, jealouse,Â
> > greedy, insecure, violent, disrespectful, chaotic, destructive andÂ
> > so on. ultimatly i beleive this is the only way to rid evil fromÂ
> > this world. Without love we can not kill or eliminate evil fromÂ
> > ourselves and from this world. To merely understand it and notÂ
> > reach and not show compassion and love is in itself an inaction andÂ
> > leads to evil remaing evil.Sorry for the long reply
> >
> > but i thought it best to expalin in more detail incase people missÂ
> > interpreted my previous reply.
> >
> >
> >
> > Peace and blessings
> >
> > Antonio.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 4/6/09, Cass Silva wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Cass Silva
> >
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer ofÂ
> > Truth"?
> >
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> >
> > Date: Thursday, 4 June, 2009, 3:00 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Antonio
> >
> >
> >
> > Rather than the idea of loving 'hate and evil' (which embodies theÂ
> > idea of embracing selfishness which is ego driven) I see it thatÂ
> > one must gain an understanding of hate and evil if one is going toÂ
> > overcome the potential we have for hate and evil (selfishness)Â
> > within the human psyche which as Krishnamurti said is projectedÂ
> > onto the world.
> >
> >
> >
> > Loving unconditionally comes from a true understanding of whatÂ
> > drives a man and recognition that these drives can in some cases beÂ
> > born out of ignorance masked in greed and power.
> >
> >
> >
> > Did humanity create the Dugpas - are they a projection of man'sÂ
> > inhumanity to man.
> >
> >
> >
> > HPB told us that Atlantis and Lemuria were deluged because of theÂ
> > selfishness which led to black magic which threatened the existenceÂ
> > of humanity and probably the planet on which we live.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cass
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Antonio
> >
> >
> >
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, 3 June, 2009 6:34:47 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer ofÂ
> > Truth"?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> >
> >
> > I was thinking that very same thought before reading your reply!
> >
> >
> >
> > Could it not be that god has sent evil into this world to aid ourÂ
> > spiritual progression.
> >
> >
> >
> > This would explain why the elite have been sworn to secrecy as ifÂ
> > the secret was out the manifestation would have less chance ofÂ
> > succsess. It is said that the means justifies the end. Also to addÂ
> > to this the motto order out of chaos. Perhaps the blood shed, wars,Â
> > famine, disease, greed and power struggle is merely a catalyst forÂ
> > change. Maybe those in the higher echlons of power are aware ofÂ
> > this fact and are made to conduct acts which when percieved byÂ
> > those with a lack of knowledge, conclude this to be evil. PerhapsÂ
> > evil its very self is in this world to teach humanity to loveÂ
> > unconditionally. I feel until we all learn to love evil/Satan/
> > Lucifer we can never truely overstand, overcome and evolve. PerhapsÂ
> > a slightly warped take on things which could be open to ridiculeÂ
> > but in my opinion an altogether more acceptable reality. It isÂ
> > aking to having god and satan within us and until we learn to loveÂ
> > the evil inside us and understand its true purpous as our
> >
> >
> >
> > greatest teacher we will constantly point the finger of accusationÂ
> > at it and it will grow in strenght and conviction, however if weÂ
> > love it it will eventually dissipate and cease to exist in itsÂ
> > harmful form. Could this be the secret of the ages?
> >
> >
> >
> > Peace and blessings
> >
> >
> >
> > Antonio
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 3/6/09, Martin wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer ofÂ
> > Truth"?
> >
> >
> >
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Wednesday, 3 June, 2009, 7:20 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, God has made the devil to get the evil out of humans, so IÂ
> > bet he will send a representative: )
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Drpsionic@aol. com wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Drpsionic@aol. com
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer ofÂ
> > Truth"?
> >
> >
> >
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 1:20 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Where are we going to get 7 billion red hats and decoder rings forÂ
> > them?
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck the Heretic
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 6/2/2009 10:25:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> >
> >
> >
> > Mvandertak@yahoo. com writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > We have almost 7billion potential dugpa's around the globe...
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, c.leest <_c.leest@yahoo. c.l_
> >
> >
> >
> > (mailto:c.leest@ yahoo. com) > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: c.leest <_c.leest@yahoo. c.l_ (mailto:c.leest@ yahoo. com) >
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer ofÂ
> > Truth"?
> >
> >
> >
> > To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- talk@yahoogroÂ
> > ups.com)
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 5:11 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Typical it is out of You Tube,
> >
> >
> >
> > Some dugpa's working there too?
> >
> >
> >
> > Friendly Greetings Christina L
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Martin wrote:
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> > deaf and mute, they do not hear the music and there are fourÂ
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> > Mandaean "And Life is Victorious" it true.
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> >> ----- Original Message -----
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> >> From: "Martin"
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> >> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
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> >> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 8:21 AM
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> >>> On May 18, 2009, at 5/18/099:51 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
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> >>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
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> >>>> Leon, you have my day with your level-headed comments.
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> >>>> BTW, Ben Gurion announced in the American "The Look" magazine in
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> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
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> >>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> >>>> My hope (not fear) is that such a police state dictatorialÂ
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> >>>> I'm afraid that any true theosophist who has already, or isÂ
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> >>>> Incidentally, after going back in my unread letter files andÂ
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> >>>> _http://www.blavatsk _ (http://www.blavatsk /) y.net/blavatsky/
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> >>>>>> The Key to Theosophy, pp. 306-7. Italics added.
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> >>>>>> Daniel
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