Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00404)

Yes, yes, historical context and timelines are always good. 

Feel free to present the views of Algeo on K with context and timeline in mind and see what comes out. 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anand 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:45 PM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: K the Messiah claims Adyar





  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Govert Schuller" <schuller@...> wrote:
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  > Anand,
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  > Algeo's more cautious view of K to which I referred:
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  > The other point of interest in Algeo's review is his warning that Krishnamurti's "influence on the organizational and intellectual history" of the Theosophical Society "could lead to a different sort of dogma and sectarianism....There is a tendency to idealize Krishnamurti, to find in him a de facto World Teacher, and to repress his shadow side."
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  Dear Govert,
  To understand any person's ideas and what he might do in future, you need to study their actions and speeches at many different places. We can not take one quotation and say that that is real policy of that individual and that is how he will act practically. People speak and do different things at different places. There are many reasons why they speak and act differently. One reason is they want to be accepted by the crowd, in which they are at that time. So they will speak what pleases the crowd and they will avoid speaking what crowd might ridicule. 
  Around five years back, when I started becoming active in online forums, I had joined some fifty (50) yahoo groups on Theosophy. I observed who speaks what in what circumstances. I also observed who does what. That gave me considerable understanding of many people connected to Theosophy. It is an area of psychology, but you might like to study psychology of members and what they might do in future. It is important because actions of members will decide in what direction TS will go in future. There is possibility that TS will go in wrong direction and it can become a force harmful to humanity, instead of helping humanity. That is why it is important to do analysis now.
  Even if whole world tells me that Sun rises in the West, and if I know that Sun rises in the East, I will still say that Sun rises in the East. (Here I am talking about scientific truth and not civilizations).
  I don't fear speaking truth and I don't care how many are with me and how many are against my opinion. 
  Effect of Herzberg paper depends on how much publicity it gets and how effectively it is presented.
  Best
  Anand Gholap

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  > However else Algeo might be positive of K, fact remains that he is so far the only TS Adyar theosophist in leadership position with such a nuanced view of K, gently rebuking the K-devotees within the TS, Burnier not necessarily excluded. 
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  > And whetever Katinka does on her web site, she did express her slight change of view of K.
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  > Remember, our position on K is by far the minority position within the TS. We should be gratefull for anyone moving towards this.
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  > Have patience, and see what the Herzberg paper might do amongst Krishnamurtiite Theosophists. 
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  > Govert
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  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Anand 
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:12 PM
  > Subject: Theos-World Re: K the Messiah claims Adyar
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  > > If that's the case it also makes sense that Radha would willingly pass the presidency to Prof. Krishna, a Krishnamurti devotee and KFI trustee, but not give it up to Algeo, who's on record with a more cautious perception of K. 
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  > > Govert
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  > Dear Govert,
  > It is still a question how much John Algeo is devoted to J. Krishnamurti. During Presidential election I had read what John Algeo had published on his web site. I was disappointed! According to the text that time, he considered Theosophy as teachings of Blavatsky and J. Krishnamurti. And names of other writers like Annie Besant, C.W. Leadbeater and Geoffrey Hodson were absent. Now I find name of Annie Besant mentioned while other names absent.
  > I also noted the links of web sites which John had given on his web site. Most links were from the web site of Katinka Hesselink. Katinka's love of J. Krishnamurti's teaching and efforts to promote K's teaching in TS are unmatched as far as online activities are concerned. 
  > At the same time John had not given any link of any site that promoted teachings of Annie Besant, Leadbeater or Hodson. In fact these were the points that disappointed me and that is why I took neutral stand during the election.
  > Please study www.theosophical.ning.com This is official network of TSA. There are photos of Theosophists on top. You will notice that there is no photo of Annie Besant, Leadbeater, Jinarajadasa, Arundale or Hodson. This is alarming. Even they had not given link of my web site on the network for long time. After I joined the group, promoted teachings of AB, CWL and when people appreciated, they gave link of my web site somewhere at the bottom of Links page on the network. 
  > If you see photos on top of this network, you will find photos of Gandhi, who frustrated Annie Besant's plan of bringing India and the West together in co-operation. You will see photo of W.Q. Judge, who had conflicts with Annie Besant and had left Adyar TS.
  > They have given Blavatsky's photo. But we know from experience that there is hardly anybody who understands what Blavatsky wrote.
  > Obviously current leaders in TSA, like John Algeo, Betty Bland and others are not promoting core teachings of Theosophy. 
  > Above mentioned facts show that John Algeo is actually helping the spread of Krishnamurti teachings, while not spreading teachings of Besant, Leadbeater and Hodson to any considerable extent.
  > Similarly you can study TSA web site www.theosophical.org and Australian web site to guess what is meant by Theosophy for leaders of these National Sections.
  > Best
  > Anand Gholap
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