Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00369)

Was Besant also influenced?

Cass




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From: Anand <AnandGholap@gmail.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 10 May, 2009 7:22:04 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Poor logic and wisdom in Revelation or Realization by J.J. van der Leeuw





J.J. Van der Leeuw had won Subba Rao medal. He was one of the leading members of TS. If we study first part of the book, we find that his own thoughts are considerably influenced by J. Krishnamurti in just three years or so, after J.K. started teaching independently. And he has criticized many of the ideas which traditional Theosophy had given. Influence of JK's teaching can be seen on many officers in TS since JK started teaching. So, after 1928, many officers were teaching and spreading a combination of Theosophy plus JK's teaching. Party continues drinking this cocktail and many are not awake enough to know that this cocktail is not quite healthy. 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@ ...> wrote:
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> Following passages written by J.J. Van der Leeuw are important, the answers of which are not sought by most students of Theosophy, who consider themselves as scholars. I hope promoters of "original teaching" will provide some explanation of this phenomenon.
> J.J. Van der Leeuw writes:
> "Yet even in the time of H.P.B. the element of revelation was present in the Theosophical Society. Thus, in the Mahatma Letters we find messages coming from an unseen authority through an appointed channel. Later on, when letters were no longer forthcoming, messages came directly through certain recognized theosophical authorities. In these messages, the Masters would express their desires as to what should be done or not done, what activities undertaken or opposed, and give hints guiding the lives of prospective pupils. Here we find real revelation: messages from an unseen authority, inaccessible to others. Theoretically, of course, the unseen authority is accessible to all who succeed in raising their consciousness to its level; practically it is not, and should any claim to have come into touch with the same authority from whom messages were previously received through another, that authority usually speaks through him with a very different voice.
 We only need to compare the letters from the Master K.H. produced in the time of H.P.B. and written in her Bohemian manner interspersed with French expressions, often somewhat racy in style, with the messages revealed as coming from that same Master in recent years. They breathe an utterly different spirit; where the former denied the existence of God in any form, seen or unseen, personal or impersonal, the latter have reintroduced him in a very personal way indeed. Where in the Mahatma Letters the Master K.H. speaks of religion as being the greatest evil in human civilisation, and denounces all churches, priesthoods and ceremonials in definite terms, his more recent messages speak with great reverence about religion and church and endorse ceremonial and priesthood most vigorously. One is therefore inclined to think that the source of unseen authority for each is a strictly individual and subjective one, an exteriorisation of their own unconscious
 motives. This is still more evident with regard to all messages revealed as coming from the World Teacher during the last fifteen years.
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> When Krishnamurti began speaking in his own authority, and in his own name as the World Teacher, the things he said were widely different in spirit and purpose from all messages thus received."
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