Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00281)

Quite right Govert, the TS was born in chaos and continues on this same
path.  HPB told us that her mission was to bring the ancient truths to the
western world and to attempt to stem the spiritual materialism promulgated by the
roman church and its offshoots.

As this was addressed to a western audience, it would require western spokespeople
to transmit this knowledge - once the knowledge was given it then appeared that 
Sinnett and others thought they were more knowledgeable than their teachers.  I
have heard that the more one learns the stronger the ego becomes - and this is one
of the challenges or tests of a chela.

HPB unlike Sinnett et al she took those teachings to heart and never waivered or 
challenged what was given to her by those she considered far more knowledgeable
than herself on both spiritual and social questions.

Her dissention was mainly against outsiders - but since her demise the dissention
has come from insiders - who, in my opinion, distorted the knowledge for their
own quodos to the point of making Annie Besant an incarnate godhead.

AB and CWL would have been familiar with the teachings on Kali Yuga and would
have known that Kalki Avatar would not appear before a million or so years - so
either they promoted Krishnamurti as a minor avatar they had no reason to claim
a messiah state for him.  As the master said, AB was blinded by her own imagination
and CWL was just the fellow to bring this imaginative fairytale into reality.  JK, himself,
recognized this as nonsense and left their mayavic dreams to its founders.

I am not convinced that Krishnamurti was overshadowed by Maitreya, but perhaps
was overshadowed by his own daimon.?

Cass

Cass



   




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From: Govert Schuller <schuller@alpheus.org>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 9 May, 2009 12:14:38 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Annie Besant on Her Messiah: Was this Part of the Messiah Craze?





Cass,

You say the TS was already in a state of confusion when taken over by AB & CWL or because of them?

The outcome of one's speculations about the motives of AB & CWL for doing the WT project all depend on how one would regard the project in the first place. If you don't think it was genuine, then indeed you have to wonder why they were doing it. If you think it was genuine, then a whole different view of their motivations is possible. 

BTW, it could be argued that the TS was from the beginning in a state of confusion and was badgered by crisis after crisis. 

Govert 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Cass Silva 
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Annie Besant on Her Messiah: Was this Part of the Messiah Craze?

I disagree Govert, the TS was in a state of confusion when taken over
by Besant and Leadbeater, I believe, they believed, that a World Teacher
would bring the TS back to stability and would increase membership.
She was ready to leave the TS and join Krishnamurti - what does that 
tell us? 

I was amused by AB turning the world teacher into a'gentleman' with a
university education - by doing this she exposed him to a world and an
awareness of a world outside of Adyar. I don't think he liked the suits
as he got out of them as quickly as he could. lol

Cass 

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From: Govert Schuller <schuller@alpheus. org>
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 5 May, 2009 1:07:59 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Annie Besant on Her Messiah: Was this Part of the Messiah Craze?

Daniel,

The WT project in my view was genuine, but had some 'messiah craze' elements, inevitably so given the state of the human psyche. One of the 'craze' elements was indeed the 'apostle affair,' which neither CWL nor K believed in. It came from Arundale's 'crazed' brain. 

To reason from a few 'craze' elements to the conclusion that it was only 'craze' is as fallacious as reasoning from the belief that the project was genuine and that therefore all elements were genuine. 

HPB's thoughts on messiahship are helpfull to be extremely cautious about such claims. CWL, AB and K lived up to it to a certain extent. In the end it was K who failed and dragged the TS into a state of confusion and shock it has not yet overcome. 

Govert

----- Original Message ----- 
From: danielhcaldwell 
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: Theos-World Annie Besant on Her Messiah: Was this Part of the Messiah Craze?

Annie Besant on Her Messiah: Was this Part of the Messiah Craze? 
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Annie Besant at her most eloquent best:

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"And now I have to give you, by command of the King, His message,
and some of the messages of the Lord Maitreya and His great
Brothers. . . what I am saying, as to matter of announcement, is
definitely at the command of the King whom I serve.

His taking possession of His chosen vehicle . . . will be soon.
Then He will choose, as before, His twelve apostles . . . and their
chief, the Lord Himself. He has already chosen them, but I have only
the command to mention seven who have reached the stage of Arhatship...

The first two, my brother Charles Leadbeater and myself, . . . C.
Jinarajadasa, . . . George Arundale, Oscar Kollerstrom, . . . Rukmini
Arundale....

I left out one and must leave out another. Naturally, our
Krishnaji [Jiddu Krishnamurti] was one, but he is to be the vehicle
of the Lord. And the other is one who is very dear to all of us, as
to the whole Brotherhood: Bishop James Wedgwood. He had borne his
crucifixion before the seal of Arhatship was set upon him by his King.
Those are the first seven of the twelve whom He has chosen, with
Himself as the thirteenth. 'Ye call me Master and Lord, and ye do
well, for so I am.'
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Daniel
http://hpb.cc

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